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I Support Nazis and the white nationalists

I support the NAZIS and the White Nationalists


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Mislabeling and misleading. The left hasn't fooled anyone in 8 years and their losses prove it.

They mislabel, mislead, lie, deceive, and twist the truth to the point that you cannot even recognize it. If you attempt to illustrate it, you can expect the left to do any kind of character assassination necessary.

As I've pointed out to the lying left, I'm not on either side and haven't been. When I say you can support the whites without becoming a part of the gang mentality, the progs want to do everything they can to make me look bad. The same holds true for anyone out there, opposing this nonsensical idea that you have to be on one side or the other.
 
And, as usual, you forgot that your bull**** is easily exposed when compared to your own previous claims.

You backpedaling away from what you said earlier doesn't change it.

I'm not backpedaling from a damn thing. You accused me of saying that I "founded" a KKK group. That is a LIE. The fact that you cannot read is apparent to anybody that accesses that thread. I looked the guy up on the Internet. I "found" him via Google and then I paid Spokeo in order to research his history and his organization's history. I do not understand how you can continually LIE and get away with it, but this conversation, sir is over unless you're trying to call me out. In which case, PM me and do it.

What you're accusing me of is irresponsible, cowardly, dishonest and worthy of me telling you that you would not say it to my face. YOU are the one trying to play Internet tough guy, but what you're doing is despicable, gutless and merits a response they won't let me make on this board.

If ANYONE buys your B.S., they should sue their brains for non-support. I'm done with you.
 
You can be nationalistic without being racist. Then there is the term "nationalism" which the United States and most its citizens of every color and ethnicity are guilty of, which can be used at times to denote something different from "patriotism."

The modern "nation-state" did not always exist. It did not exist during the early European conquests and colonization of the Americas, Asia, Africa, the Polynesian Islands. But it was beginning its period of conception around that time.

"State" is not necessarily the same thing as "nation." Mostly we use the terms interchangeably today but more technically they denoted or connoted different conceptions. The "state" is the political apparatus like the 3 branches of the US Federal Government. The "nation" is actually the people.

In the Afrocentric social sciences the term "nation" is used where most of us use the term "ethnicity." To me this is more a matter of preference and the Afrocentric academicians are not wrong for using the word "nation" instead.

But take for example the traditional Catholic view of Catholicism versus Judaism. By following Jesus, Catholicism traditionally has claim, the Christian is the true member of a nation that directly stems from the ancient nation (people) of Israel, and that Jews are Jews but by rejecting Jesus are no longer a part of that nation connected to ancient Israel.

I bring this up because "nation" can be conceptualized--as it is in the traditional Catholic case--as multi-racial, multi-ethnic. On the other hand, "nation" can be conceptualized specifically as the way one does "ethnicity." In this case... Catholicism is not a nation and nor are American citizens, rather, they are both organizations made up of many nations (ethnicities).






So, this brings us to the term "white nationalist." Here we must bear in mind that "race" and "ethnicity" are not one and the same concept. Take... the Puerto Ricans (whether called a "nation" or an "ethnicity")... they are a single "nationality" or "nation" or "ethnicity" but they are multi-racial. Kind of like the Jews are. Both come in the racial categorizations of white, brown, and black. Of course, white nationalist deny Jews are "white."

The term "white nationalist" is used to connote a racially (not ethnically) separatist view. Generally because it places high value on a concept called "biological determinism" or its twin or sibling "genetic determinism." And "racism" is: the belief in the superiority of one race over another race. So, by the rhetoric of white nationalists it is pretty clear they want racial separatism because they believe white people are--through biological, genetic determinism--superior in various behavioral and physical traits to blacks, mixed-race people, Jews and so on.

The question Americans have never really figured out an answer to--although most conservatives probably have formulated a more clear idea than most liberals--is exactly what is an "American nationality"? Is it Satanism equal to Christianity, Judasim, and Islam? Is it gay marriage? Is it cowboys? Is it Chicago gangsters? Is it old money WASPs in Connecticut? Is it Islamist running a country? Is it promoting (not even tolerating) women walking around in full burkas or just the hijab?

Because the term "we are Americans" becomes relatively meaningless if there is no moral and cultural coherency. You might as well be like warring tribes in Iraq that need armed police and strong armed government to keep hating or rival factions from killing each other. But maybe that is the purpose of Identity Politics... I don't know.

Perhaps you didnt understand that we were talking about "White Nationalism"? The word white is out front for a very descriptive reason. There cannot be non-racist white nationalism while the word white is in there.
 
I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. White nationalists can include people who are not nazis, hatemongers, or overt racists. Too many definitions of white nationalists for your poll to be accurate.

What's not racist about "White Nationalists" aka the ALT right that you do not understand? Just the term "WHITE nationalists" gives you an idea as to whom they are. Steven Bannon (Brietbart News) is responsible for attaching the Alt Right into a new wing of the Republican party.
Bannon’s Breitbart distinguished itself from the rest of the conservative media in two significant ways this cycle. The first was becoming a mouthpiece for Trump while other, older conservative periodicals were declaring war on him. The second was through their embrace of the alt-right, which mainstream conservatives tend to abhor. Slowly but surely, Bannon turned Breitbart into not only the most-read conservative web outlet but also the most incendiary one. It was happy to embrace fringe beliefs like birtherism and play footsie with blatantly racist notions of black criminality. It wasn’t interested in looking even faintly objective, instead inventing easily understood “narratives” of crusading conservative heroes and their many victories against the hated left. Bannon’s Breitbart also realized that there was a large online community that naturally gravitated to Trump, a mix of people who saw themselves as far too radical to be accepted by polite society. Among them, conservative suspicions of diversity, inclusion, feminism, and political correctness had metastasized into something much darker. This was the alt-right, a collection of racists, pick-up artists, men’s rights activists, and other noxious trolls of the internet.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-and-the-alt-right-a-primer/

Trump called and they came running


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In Charlottesville, Virginia.

As the official start of the “Unite the Right” rally kicked off in Charlottesville, Virginia, former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke said the gathering of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and far-right individuals pointed to a future fulfillment of President Donald Trump’s “promises.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-kkk-leader-david-duke-180315141.html
 
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What's not racist about "White Nationalists" aka the ALT right that you do not understand? Just the term "WHITE nationalists" gives you an idea as to whom they are. Steven Bannon (Brietbart News) is responsible for attaching the Alt Right into a new wing of the Republican party.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-bannon-and-the-alt-right-a-primer/

Trump called and they came running


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In Charlottesville, Virginia.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-kkk-leader-david-duke-180315141.html


RESPONSE: For most of my life I have watched the media and the left define who the right is. To claim people are racist because they protect, advance and preserve their cultural heritage, history and destiny is highly dishonest. The blacks have their organizations as do Jews, Muslims, and probably most other groups of people.

Call it racist. Big deal. If you do, you should criticize all these other groups for maintaining their own PACs and watchdog groups. We should get beyond that. Right now, none of them speak for me. But, I can tell you unequivocally that I see the problems facing America. The reaction and the the methodology used by David Duke and his ilk ON MOST ISSUES has been counterproductive. OTOH, while the nazis lost on the statues / memorials / monuments issue, they have their supporters on the wall issue. Unfortunately, white nationalists seem to be rallying behind the nazis as if they don't have an original idea.

Rather than to take your word - or the word of anyone else, I started a thread to ask white nationalists (presuming there are any here) to identify themselves and answer some questions for me:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...ionalism-final-discussion.html#post1067566323

Aside from that, I probably have no business on this thread.
 
Is King Trump yelling fire in a crowded theater? is what he's doing even legal?

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Perhaps you didnt understand that we were talking about "White Nationalism"? The word white is out front for a very descriptive reason. There cannot be non-racist white nationalism while the word white is in there.

Curious, does that mean that because BLM has the word black in there, they are racists?
 
Curious, does that mean that because BLM has the word black in there, they are racists?

If you use their definition, then no. If you substitute their definition for your own, then possibly, yes.
 
RESPONSE: For most of my life I have watched the media and the left define who the right is. To claim people are racist because they protect, advance and preserve their cultural heritage, history and destiny is highly dishonest. The blacks have their organizations as do Jews, Muslims, and probably most other groups of people.

Call it racist. Big deal. If you do, you should criticize all these other groups for maintaining their own PACs and watchdog groups. We should get beyond that. Right now, none of them speak for me. But, I can tell you unequivocally that I see the problems facing America. The reaction and the the methodology used by David Duke and his ilk ON MOST ISSUES has been counterproductive. OTOH, while the nazis lost on the statues / memorials / monuments issue, they have their supporters on the wall issue. Unfortunately, white nationalists seem to be rallying behind the nazis as if they don't have an original idea.

Rather than to take your word - or the word of anyone else, I started a thread to ask white nationalists (presuming there are any here) to identify themselves and answer some questions for me:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...ionalism-final-discussion.html#post1067566323

Aside from that, I probably have no business on this thread.

Yeah--well Republicans just managed to define themselves with Trump's response. Trump is the poster boy of the Republican party because Republicans nominated him. There is no "alternate fact" on that point.

Trump equated those that were protesting against the hate of White Supremacists--(ALT right) & Neo-Nazi's as equals to blame in the violence in Charlottesville. Now if you agree with Trump that this 32 year old woman who was run down in an ISIS style attack--(is equally to blame for her death)--then feel free to say so and admit it. Because that is basically what Trump is saying.

These are the consequences of Trump and his campaign rallies. You saw it, and you were either attracted to it or just ignored it. This is what Hillary Clinton meant that half of Trump's base are deplorables. She's right, they are.

They were even making robo calls for Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-is-urging-iowa-voters-to-back-donald-trump/

Now you OWN it, as does the Republican party.

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This is no longer the party of Lincoln or Reagan. It is now the party of Trump, stuffed full of anger, ignorance, bigotry, misogyny & hate.

This couldn't be better explained than in a message from a long time friend and former staffer of Ronald Reagan.

 
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So, this brings us to the term "white nationalist." Here we must bear in mind that "race" and "ethnicity" are not one and the same concept. Take... the Puerto Ricans (whether called a "nation" or an "ethnicity")... they are a single "nationality" or "nation" or "ethnicity" but they are multi-racial. Kind of like the Jews are. Both come in the racial categorizations of white, brown, and black. Of course, white nationalist deny Jews are "white."

The term "white nationalist" is used to connote a racially (not ethnically) separatist view. Generally because it places high value on a concept called "biological determinism" or its twin or sibling "genetic determinism." And "racism" is: the belief in the superiority of one race over another race. So, by the rhetoric of white nationalists it is pretty clear they want racial separatism because they believe white people are--through biological, genetic determinism--superior in various behavioral and physical traits to blacks, mixed-race people, Jews and so on.




Perhaps you didnt understand that we were talking about "White Nationalism"? The word white is out front for a very descriptive reason. There cannot be non-racist white nationalism while the word white is in there.

Why did you quote my post above (in blue) and then make the comment you did? You quoted my post but did not read all of it right?
 
It appears this thread has played out, but I wanted to take a moment to respond to this.

People wanting to find fault with "racism" will make a big objection and be overly dramatic about the issue of ethnicity.

Well... I would argue Italians share more cultural similarities--in certain instances--with brown or tan skinned Lebanese and Copts than they do with Germans and the English. Their wailing mob-like funeral professions being one of them. You see Brazilians (with some Portuguese cultural traits) doing the same.





The reality is, when we see people with given racial traits we draw the conclusion many times that a person is of a certain ethnicity based upon physical features, race being the predominant one.

I won't disagree with that but ethnic groups like Puerto Ricans and Jews have members of different races among them. Some Jews look like white Celtics and others look like brown skinned Arabs. Some Puerto Ricans are as black as Wesley Snipes and others are as white as any other white American.


Scientists agree that the average person lumps race and ethnicity into the same category:

Difference Between Ethnicity and Race | Difference Between

Whether by accident or design, the founding fathers were racially of one primary kind: white. And they shared a common religion with the same reasons for coming to America. By the time they developed their unique American culture, their race was an inextricable part of their ethnicity. Furthermore, their culture is unique and no matter how much you try to integrate it, the foreign cultures have varying degrees of ability to assimilate.

I don't deny the so-called Founding Fathers were white men. Nor do I deny racial identity (because a racial caste system existed) was a strong part of overall life in the earliest formation of the United States.

How "unique" it was in the whole of the Americas I'm not sure. While in the USA when we use the word "Creole" it usually connotes Southern mixed-race people, particularly of Louisiana, with varying degrees of white/black mixture. But in the Spanish Americas the term was used to connote white people born and or raised in one of the Spanish speaking countries of the Americas. The "Creole" denoted a cultural fusion between the things learned from Amerindians and the things carried over from white Europe.

White Americans were as "Creole" as the whites of Mexico, Colombia, and Argentina.

White people when they first settled and colonized the various territories of the Americas never single-handedly created anything. Per se. I'm not talking about scientific inventions but rather daily (survival) life in the Americas. They relied a lot upon what was already learned in Europe, their native countries, and what they learned from Amerindians that had lived and thrived on these American lands long before white people ever showed up.


I posted this video in another thread. Good enough for this thread too. Survival food white people learned to make--or bought--from Amerindians.

 
No matter how people try to spin it, America was founded by white men whose basic beliefs were based upon Christianity and the English Common Law. That is what the fundamental principles upon what this nation was built on. Other races, cultures and nationalities cannot understand that - at least fully and none seem to be willing to adopt our culture. So, the left demands that we integrate - and then bury our history, culture, ethnicity, etc. to accommodate them. Somehow it's expected that we make allowances for others, but by the same standard, many people have some lame excuse as to why the white people (or the posterity of the founding fathers if you like that designation better) cannot retain their culture, history, traditions, culture, ethnicity - whatever you choose to characterize it by.

It's race when it's black people wailing over the Confederate flag, statues, memorials, etc. and then when we get into these conversations about white people - there is suddenly no such concept as race and the whites have no issue according to the left. Perhaps cognitive dissonance is a disease of the left.

At the end of the day, and I've been consistent about the over-all fight, this has been an assault on this country's religion, heritage, culture, historical institutions, and every component that made up what was the posterity of the founding fathers. It's still genocide against whites (for lack of a better term - and you'd find fault with any I could imagine.)

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I don't disagree with some of what you stated.

But I'm wondering if you're from the South? I ask because I've encountered many times both white Americans and Black-Americans that speak with some pontificating authority that all whites in every US city always viewed themselves as pretty much the same.

Then they think I'm trying to trick them when I tell them that was never really the case in Milwaukee and a good number of Northern cities. Milwaukee was a city--in the 1800s and early 1900s--of semi-warring ethnic whites. Maybe "warring" might be to extreme of a word but let me put it this way... you had Catholic priests that would have to have one ethnic group of whites in church at one hour and then a different ethnic group of whites in church at a separate hour, all because the two ethnic groups could not get along.

But Milwaukee in the 1800s had a population that was mostly of white European immigrants (not mostly "native whites"). I think it was something like 70% or 95% of the population were white immigrants from Europe or second generation. The "native whites" came mainly from New York City and were known as "Yankees" and they had a lot of money. The area of Milwaukee known today as "Yankee Hill" is named after them.

Some, like the Italians, never became "white" until about the 1970s. This video below about Italians in Milwaukee hints at that and how some elderly Italians in Milwaukee to this day have a phobia of using garlic because they were called "little garlic eaters" by their teachers in school. Garlic was associated with Italians/Sicilians and was not well regarded by certain whites as a respectable ingredient in food--decades ago.




And Milwaukee holds ethnic (that includes whites--the first ones in fact) festivals every year. The largest Italian festival in the country. The largest Irish festival in the country (they send representatives to Ireland, the female President of Ireland came to it one year). The largest French themed festival in the country. I'm not sure but it might have the largest German festival in the country too.

Ethnicity among whites was something I was always made aware of to some extent growing up in Milwaukee. Even considering my German-American grandfather had such a strong German accent I always just assumed he was born and raised in Germany, it was not until I was an adult that I learned he was born and raised in Wisconsin on a farm. His home as a child always spoke German in the house and English outside it. Then I found out our German side had been over here in the USA since the mid 1800s. But apparently, there were a lot of German-Americans on the farms of Wisconsin that spoke German in the home and English outside it.
 
Curious, does that mean that because BLM has the word black in there, they are racists?

I am guessing that you thought that I was some liberal that supported BLM? Far from it, but your comparison isnt relevant and makes no real point. BLM could be anything and it still wouldnt change anything about what WHITE Nationalism is. It is the context that matters. A nationalism centered around one race over other races is racist.
 
Why did you quote my post above (in blue) and then make the comment you did? You quoted my post but did not read all of it right?

I am pretty sure that I was responding to this (below) not the blue. What you said was a bunch of you trying to wiggle the English language, and try to assert that White Nationalists are not racists. Its crazy and a poor argument.

You can be nationalistic without being racist.
 
Well... I would argue Italians share more cultural similarities--in certain instances--with brown or tan skinned Lebanese and Copts than they do with Germans and the English. Their wailing mob-like funeral professions being one of them. You see Brazilians (with some Portuguese cultural traits) doing the same.







I won't disagree with that but ethnic groups like Puerto Ricans and Jews have members of different races among them. Some Jews look like white Celtics and others look like brown skinned Arabs. Some Puerto Ricans are as black as Wesley Snipes and others are as white as any other white American.




I don't deny the so-called Founding Fathers were white men. Nor do I deny racial identity (because a racial caste system existed) was a strong part of overall life in the earliest formation of the United States.

How "unique" it was in the whole of the Americas I'm not sure. While in the USA when we use the word "Creole" it usually connotes Southern mixed-race people, particularly of Louisiana, with varying degrees of white/black mixture. But in the Spanish Americas the term was used to connote white people born and or raised in one of the Spanish speaking countries of the Americas. The "Creole" denoted a cultural fusion between the things learned from Amerindians and the things carried over from white Europe.

White Americans were as "Creole" as the whites of Mexico, Colombia, and Argentina.

White people when they first settled and colonized the various territories of the Americas never single-handedly created anything. Per se. I'm not talking about scientific inventions but rather daily (survival) life in the Americas. They relied a lot upon what was already learned in Europe, their native countries, and what they learned from Amerindians that had lived and thrived on these American lands long before white people ever showed up.


I posted this video in another thread. Good enough for this thread too. Survival food white people learned to make--or bought--from Amerindians.



Don't know what your point is. My point, over-all, is that the whites who founded this country also left behind a cultural history of which our race is a part of.
 
At the very least, we can all agree that white nationalists are authoritarians who follow a collectivist mode of thought, correct?

I certainly don't agree. I don't know a single white person that I think even might agree. I am white and I am a nationalist as is every white person I know. As is every black, Asian, Hispanic, or Native American person I know.

The simplest definition of nationalist is: a person who advocates political independence for a country. That isn't racist or authoritarian and, at least those on the ideological right, are not collectivists.
 
I'm not backpedaling from a damn thing. You accused me of saying that I "founded" a KKK group. That is a LIE. The fact that you cannot read is apparent to anybody that accesses that thread. I looked the guy up on the Internet. I "found" him via Google and then I paid Spokeo in order to research his history and his organization's history. I do not understand how you can continually LIE and get away with it, but this conversation, sir is over unless you're trying to call me out. In which case, PM me and do it.

What you're accusing me of is irresponsible, cowardly, dishonest and worthy of me telling you that you would not say it to my face. YOU are the one trying to play Internet tough guy, but what you're doing is despicable, gutless and merits a response they won't let me make on this board.

If ANYONE buys your B.S., they should sue their brains for non-support. I'm done with you.

You are backpedaling so quickly you are practically leaving a trail of dust in your wake. You made a claim and are now desperately trying to escape the fact that you made said claim by altering your story. Many of your fellows do the same exact bull****, and they too are unable to achieve success in their efforts.

Your internet tough guy posturing is laughable. Grow up.

Yes, being a key defender of the Klan as well as, according to yourself anyway, an integral part of the "post 1998" organization is rather cowardly and irresponsible. But groups based on racial hatred are hardly known for their upstanding moral character.

More helpless Internet tough guy posturing from you. Typical.
 
I don't disagree with some of what you stated.

But I'm wondering if you're from the South? I ask because I've encountered many times both white Americans and Black-Americans that speak with some pontificating authority that all whites in every US city always viewed themselves as pretty much the same.

The only question I saw was a personal one. So, a little personal history:

I was not born in the south and my parents moved to Hawthorne, California. So, my early years were spent living in that area with relatives in East L.A., La Puente, etc. So that you get a rounded picture (since you want to judge my upbringing), my sister married a Lebanese (Muslim) and my uncle married a Mexican. My family moved to the south, but as soon as I got into my teens (14) I ran away from home and hitch-hiked from Georgia back to California where I stayed for a year.

Then I came back to Georgia and have lived here off and on most of my life - except when work or school, etc. took me away for periods of time.

The history of whites, as a race, is complex... even in America. There were times when the Irish were frowned upon by the masses and times when the Italians were the (bad racial word) in the mix. Even when whites have their own country, they still have wars - in Ireland it's whether or not you're Catholic versus Protestant.

Despite all those differences, we developed a unique culture and one of our identifying marks was race. People get all up tight about race, but think nothing of Japan (the most racially pure nation on the globe) or China which is 98 percent plus Han Chinese. The only place that a nation gets in trouble for touting the racial part of their culture is the United States of America.

People have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to think that anyone who would be so brave as to actually care about their white heritage must be racists. But, a few short years ago when I was what was known as a DFACS asset, I had all kinds of children living in my home. One child in particular was the product of a Honduran woman with a Mexican boyfriend that abandoned their baby.

The babysitter they left him with, knew that I had been a Justice of the Peace, brought the baby to me realizing I could handle the situation and I took care of him and nearly adopted him. Somehow the mother requalified to get him back after a few years. Had that not happened, I would have adopted him.

So, I'm way beyond the typical crap that I read on the Internet. In my line of work I witnessed the differences and the problems unique to whites that are Americans. I started this thread because the nazis, white nationalists, and probably the KKK (if they still exist outside the Internet) all talk a good game, but if they have any outreach programs to help people of their own kind, I've yet to find it. They don't even want to weigh in on this board.

In a few months, I will earn a certificate in Christian Education. I became an ordained minister in my 20s, but left the ministry after marital problems and eventually a divorce. Well, it's years later and if somebody will not provide the whites the same kind of advantages that other races / cultures / ethnicities have, then maybe my future is doing what nobody else will.

You see, I keep thinking that if the right people had intervened and helped people like Dylan Roof or James Alex Fields Jr. we would not have ever known them for their acts of rage, but maybe their acts of giving to their community. Today we deny that there IS a problem and those in the eye of the storm only find solace with political propaganda prostitutes whose only contribution to life is protesting and raising hell. Young men like those are out there without a father figure, no family support system and no organization that is geared to understand their culture to give them guidance. That is why I had this interest in finding and questioning someone that identified with being a white nationalist.

Quite frankly, I don't know what to call myself. So, I guess in a few weeks I'll be doing my own thing.
 
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I am pretty sure that I was responding to this (below) not the blue. What you said was a bunch of you trying to wiggle the English language, and try to assert that White Nationalists are not racists. Its crazy and a poor argument.

I stated explicitly that the white nationalists are racist (ergo, the underlined portion):

So, this brings us to the term "white nationalist." Here we must bear in mind that "race" and "ethnicity" are not one and the same concept. Take... the Puerto Ricans (whether called a "nation" or an "ethnicity")... they are a single "nationality" or "nation" or "ethnicity" but they are multi-racial. Kind of like the Jews are. Both come in the racial categorizations of white, brown, and black. Of course, white nationalist deny Jews are "white."

The term "white nationalist" is used to connote a racially (not ethnically) separatist view. Generally because it places high value on a concept called "biological determinism" or its twin or sibling "genetic determinism." And "racism" is: the belief in the superiority of one race over another race. So, by the rhetoric of white nationalists it is pretty clear they want racial separatism because they believe white people are--through biological, genetic determinism--superior in various behavioral and physical traits to blacks, mixed-race people, Jews and so on.

I also stated correctly that one can be nationalistic without being racist.

Go back to school and get an education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

Nationalism is a range of political, social, and economic systems characterised by promoting the interests of a particular nation, particularly with the aim of gaining and maintaining self-governance, or full sovereignty, over the group's homeland. The political ideology therefore holds that a nation should govern itself, free from unwanted outside interference, and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a national identity based on shared characteristics such as culture, language, race, religion, political goals or a belief in a common ancestry.[1][2] Nationalism therefore seeks to preserve the nation's culture. It often also involves a sense of pride in the nation's achievements, and is closely linked to the concept of patriotism. In these terms, nationalism can be considered positive or negative. In some cases, nationalism referred to the belief that a nation should be able to control the government and all means of production.[3]

To the moderators:

It is clear this person FreedomFromAll who carries the same diction and tone and syntax as another poster on this forum, is trolling me and trying to bait me into asking if they are functionally illiterate, so they or some friend of theirs can go running and whining to moderators that "I'm personally attacking them."

So, I stated clearly that white nationalist are racist. I explain what racism is (the belief in the superiority of one race over another race). I explained how one can be nationalistic but not racist. So, FeedomFromAll can put a sock in it and stop asserting I claimed white nationalists are not racist. As I said then and I say now that white nationalists are racist. Kind of like you can be a socialist without be racist even though Nazis (National Socialists) are racist and socialists.
 
The only question I saw was a personal one. So, a little personal history:

I was not born in the south and my parents moved to Hawthorne, California. So, my early years were spent living in that area with relatives in East L.A., La Puente, etc. So that you get a rounded picture (since you want to judge my upbringing), my sister married a Lebanese (Muslim) and my uncle married a Mexican. My family moved to the south, but as soon as I got into my teens (14) I ran away from home and hitch-hiked from Georgia back to California where I stayed for a year.

It wasn't an attack--although I was making a guess and was not sure how right I might be that's why I asked. A person upbringing matters no? You yourself place emphasis on the upbringing of a person or people in x, y, z cultures, no?

So, the parts of California you were in--possibly Georgia to some lesser extent--presumably has had some cultural impact on you. You certainly seem to have interacted with non-whites.

Then I came back to Georgia and have lived here off and on most of my life - except when work or school, etc. took me away for periods of time.

The history of whites, as a race, is complex... even in America. There were times when the Irish were frowned upon by the masses and times when the Italians were the (bad racial word) in the mix. Even when whites have their own country, they still have wars - in Ireland it's whether or not you're Catholic versus Protestant.

This is not an attack on you here, but I want to point out a common misconception many Americans have. Northern Ireland is not merely and only a religious dispute. The roots of the disputes are ethnic in origin. Kind of like the disputes between Jews and Palestinians in what used to be known as Palestine.

The ethnic Irish are indigenous to Ireland including the section known as Northern Ireland which is part of the United Kingdom and loyal to the Queen of England. The Protestants in Ireland are mainly ethnic Scots, and descendants of the Normans and the English. The Catholics are mainly Irish. The IRA (Irish Republican Army) were pretty left leaning politically, I think some say socialists, and the religion issue became intertwined with ethnic beefs due to matters of history.

Its an ethnic, nationalistic, and religious beef all intertwined. That's why the IRA has this famous song taunting the Brits and notice they aren't really taunting them about being Protestant. Rather... they make references to how the Brits ran over the Zulu (black Africans) and Amerindians (red people.)

 
Despite all those differences, we developed a unique culture and one of our identifying marks was race. People get all up tight about race, but think nothing of Japan (the most racially pure nation on the globe) or China which is 98 percent plus Han Chinese. The only place that a nation gets in trouble for touting the racial part of their culture is the United States of America.

Eh, yeah. See... here is a major conceptualization difference between traditional Catholicism and Protestantism. A "white race" was less emphasized in the Catholic sphere of the world. It did exist but not with the emphasis a lot of the Protestant world ran with it. Catholicism claims to have created Europe, the concept of Europe but not necessarily "whiteness." Europe did not exist as a culturally tied conception during the era of the ancient Roman empire. My Germanic ancestors were actually members of chiefdoms like the Amerindian Comanche, and pagan Rome called them "barbarians" in contempt (not as a compliment).

Professor E. Michael Jones--accused of being anti-Semitic--attacks these concepts of "whiteness" and attributes the rise of Germans into a highly productive and civilized culture to their conversion to Catholicism, and equally important the lessons about labor and study the Christian monks taught them.

The Brits--the Germanic Anglo and Saxon tribes--were so barbaric in their entrenched chiefdom cultures that no ancient pagan Roman would ever have imagined these people would have ever one day emerged to run a global empire upon which the sun never sets, let alone be refined men. Saxon actually came from a word that meant "knife." And for Germanic Frankish monks to convert these people they had to portray Jesus as a warrior and His 12 Apostles as His 12 Retainers (based upon some pagan stories the Saxon had).

The dark skinned people of the Middle East where more educated--and at times more refined--than these Germanic white chiefdoms were. Actually, the black African Christian Nubians and black Ethiopians were too. Black Nubia was pretty advanced for its time, had a civilization, and had a minor Holy Christian See. The sands--and I think maybe Muslim armies--covered most of it up in time.

Here is a compilation of E. Michael Jones on "whiteness." Nota bene: when he speaks about "Jews" he does not mean "DNA" and "race" as Nazis and the KKK do, rather he means religious affiliation and rejection of Jesus as the Messiah. Is he anti-Semitic? No, I don't think, so, he has no problem with Semites like Arabs etc., but he clearly is anti-Jew. Jew by religion at least. That's his view I think.


 
People have been programmed, Pavlovian style, to think that anyone who would be so brave as to actually care about their white heritage must be racists. But, a few short years ago when I was what was known as a DFACS asset, I had all kinds of children living in my home. One child in particular was the product of a Honduran woman with a Mexican boyfriend that abandoned their baby.

The babysitter they left him with, knew that I had been a Justice of the Peace, brought the baby to me realizing I could handle the situation and I took care of him and nearly adopted him. Somehow the mother requalified to get him back after a few years. Had that not happened, I would have adopted him.

So, I'm way beyond the typical crap that I read on the Internet. In my line of work I witnessed the differences and the problems unique to whites that are Americans. I started this thread because the nazis, white nationalists, and probably the KKK (if they still exist outside the Internet) all talk a good game, but if they have any outreach programs to help people of their own kind, I've yet to find it. They don't even want to weigh in on this board.

In a few months, I will earn a certificate in Christian Education. I became an ordained minister in my 20s, but left the ministry after marital problems and eventually a divorce. Well, it's years later and if somebody will not provide the whites the same kind of advantages that other races / cultures / ethnicities have, then maybe my future is doing what nobody else will.

You see, I keep thinking that if the right people had intervened and helped people like Dylan Roof or James Alex Fields Jr. we would not have ever known them for their acts of rage, but maybe their acts of giving to their community. Today we deny that there IS a problem and those in the eye of the storm only find solace with political propaganda prostitutes whose only contribution to life is protesting and raising hell. Young men like those are out there without a father figure, no family support system and no organization that is geared to understand their culture to give them guidance. That is why I had this interest in finding and questioning someone that identified with being a white nationalist.

Quite frankly, I don't know what to call myself. So, I guess in a few weeks I'll be doing my own thing.


There is no "white heritage." :lol: None I know of at least. Unless you mean "white American" heritage. Then I think such a thing is conceptually tenable.

But there is no broad universal "white heritage." Do Putin and Trump come from the same heritage or something? What about white Mexicans and Mitt Romney?

I'm not belittling your hopes and desires to see young white males in trouble helped. I'm just saying "white American heritage" is likely not something every white person in Europe and Australia feels is culturally their heritage.
 
I stated explicitly that the white nationalists are racist (ergo, the underlined portion):



I also stated correctly that one can be nationalistic without being racist.

Go back to school and get an education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism



To the moderators:

It is clear this person FreedomFromAll who carries the same diction and tone and syntax as another poster on this forum, is trolling me and trying to bait me into asking if they are functionally illiterate, so they or some friend of theirs can go running and whining to moderators that "I'm personally attacking them."

So, I stated clearly that white nationalist are racist. I explain what racism is (the belief in the superiority of one race over another race). I explained how one can be nationalistic but not racist. So, FeedomFromAll can put a sock in it and stop asserting I claimed white nationalists are not racist. As I said then and I say now that white nationalists are racist. Kind of like you can be a socialist without be racist even though Nazis (National Socialists) are racist and socialists.

Dude thats a bit over the top and completely paranoid. Obviously you have something stuck up your ass, laters.
 
I certainly don't agree. I don't know a single white person that I think even might agree. I am white and I am a nationalist as is every white person I know. As is every black, Asian, Hispanic, or Native American person I know.

The simplest definition of nationalist is: a person who advocates political independence for a country. That isn't racist or authoritarian and, at least those on the ideological right, are not collectivists.

Albq, a nationalist that happens to be white is not a white nationalist. A white nationalist is someone who wants to form a nation just for white people. These people conveniently happen to consist largely of misanthropes and white supremacists.
 
There is no "white heritage." :lol: None I know of at least. Unless you mean "white American" heritage. Then I think such a thing is conceptually tenable.

But there is no broad universal "white heritage." Do Putin and Trump come from the same heritage or something? What about white Mexicans and Mitt Romney?

I'm not belittling your hopes and desires to see young white males in trouble helped. I'm just saying "white American heritage" is likely not something every white person in Europe and Australia feels is culturally their heritage.

Man, I can barely tolerate people from one state over (GAS THE FLORIDIANS, CIVIL WAR NOW); I can't even imagine being lumped into the same boat as an kraut or a snowback.
 
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