I Support Nazis and the white nationalists

[vegas giants]

Since you didn't understand the answer, it is NO. Most of the people you see in those protests don't even understand what you just said.

A couple of years ago, a lot of those people associated with civilian militias espousing God, the flag (the American one), the Constitution and apple pie. Now they have done a 180 degree turn, following a dark haired Pillsbury Dough Boy and a spoiled rich kid that the left hates because he is the white version of their community organizer. Most white nationalists are kids that probably came from broken homes, work at dead end jobs, don't have a clue... and like the left are looking for someone to blame.

Was my question to you invisible? LOL

 

[Fenton Lum]

Yes. Those guys were racists too. But we have changed since then

Ya can't own folks outright anymore, yeah. But you can sure put them into private corporate prisons and lease them out.

 

[Fletch]

If other countries in the world were cannibals, is it OK that we are just a little LESS cannibalistic than them?

Yes because who are we to judge the cultures and practices of other nations.

 

[ataraxia]

I don't know. Would it be okay? You tell me.

All I hear is how bad it is in America and how racist the white people are. Those who wail and complain willingly buy from stores that use slave labor. Of their own free will and volition, the same people squawking about racism buy products that are Made in Japan all day long. Those same companies claiming racism is so bad are the same people whose home is full of products are predominantly Made in China. Then the groups making lists of the racists in this country donate heavily to a country that is based upon exclusivity.

IF the left had a legitimate issue, then wrong would be wrong and they would vote with their pocketbooks. They would have boycotted those countries long ago. The blacks would never have used the numbers of any race involved in a particular sport, occupation, or position as a reference point determining whether those numbers were related to racial attitudes. Yet they do.

Racism is perfectly acceptable provided you are the race with the power to force the bulk of a society to agree with your position. If everybody was so all fired against racism, they would make sure no country espousing racism could flourish.

The issue today is about power and control. Racism is just a reality. Do you support nazis and white nationalists - as opposed to what? Do you support antifa types that hate whites and want to kill them? The fact that the only people willing to weigh in wanted to make veiled accusations (a purely defensive position) says they are afraid of an open, honest and civil discussion.

I don't support the idea that one race would want to hold another race down. I don't believe in denying to any man the unalienable Rights he was born with. But, when one culture makes a phony power play to accuse whites of racism in order to erase the history of white people and wage genocidal warfare, that is just as much a racist postulate as are segregated schools.

A couple of points about this:

1) pointing out the dysfunctional and hurtful parts of a certain culture does not mean you hate all of it and are trying to erase its history. If we would find statues of Hitler and Goering in our town square offensive, does that mean that we hate all German culture and its people? That must mean we must hate Oktoberfest and Beethoven too?

Similarly, if we find confederate flags and stutues of traitors to the US offensive, does that mean we must hate grits and country music too?

It doesn't have to be an all-or-none phenomenon.

2) Cultures cannot change on a dime. It takes generations. Slavery was common all over the ancient world. Instructions for how exactly to do it so it is pleasing to the Lord are all over even the Bible. Talk of it being immoral only started coming up in the 17th century or so in post-enlightenment "western" societies. It has taken a long time for it to be slowly be adapted here. In other parts of the world, it is still ongoing.

That doesn't mean we can't work slowly towards it. Even the founding fathers of this country who themselves were slave owners, knew it was wrong, but also knew that it was not a cultural change that could happen quickly:

"Slavery is an abomination and must be loudly proclaimed as such, but I own that I nor any other man has any
immediate solution to the problem...We have the wolf by the ears, and we can neither hold him, nor safely let him go. Justice is in one scale, and self-preservation in the other."
-Thomas Jefferson

"I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of [slavery]."
-George Washington

"It is a little surprising that Christianity ... should encourage a practice so totally repugnant to the first impressions of right and wrong."
-Patrick Henry

"As much as I value an union of all the states, I would not admit the southern states into the union, unless they agreed to the discontinuance of this disgraceful trade, because it would bring weakness and not strength to the union...such a trade is diabolical in itself, and disgraceful to mankind."
-George Mason

 

[Fenton Lum]

I don't know. Would it be okay? You tell me.

All I hear is how bad it is in America and how racist the white people are. Those who wail and complain willingly buy from stores that use slave labor. Of their own free will and volition, the same people squawking about racism buy products that are Made in Japan all day long. Those same companies claiming racism is so bad are the same people whose home is full of products are predominantly Made in China. Then the groups making lists of the racists in this country donate heavily to a country that is based upon exclusivity.

IF the left had a legitimate issue, then wrong would be wrong and they would vote with their pocketbooks. They would have boycotted those countries long ago. The blacks would never have used the numbers of any race involved in a particular sport, occupation, or position as a reference point determining whether those numbers were related to racial attitudes. Yet they do.

Racism is perfectly acceptable provided you are the race with the power to force the bulk of a society to agree with your position. If everybody was so all fired against racism, they would make sure no country espousing racism could flourish.

The issue today is about power and control. Racism is just a reality. Do you support nazis and white nationalists - as opposed to what? Do you support antifa types that hate whites and want to kill them? The fact that the only people willing to weigh in wanted to make veiled accusations (a purely defensive position) says they are afraid of an open, honest and civil discussion.

I don't support the idea that one race would want to hold another race down. I don't believe in denying to any man the unalienable Rights he was born with. But, when one culture makes a phony power play to accuse whites of racism in order to erase the history of white people and wage genocidal warfare, that is just as much a racist postulate as are segregated schools.

Those who wail and complain willingly buy from stores that use slave labor. Of their own free will and volition, the same people squawking about racism buy products that are Made in Japan all day long. Those same companies claiming racism is so bad are the same people whose home is full of products are predominantly Made in China. Then the groups making lists of the racists in this country donate heavily to a country that is based upon exclusivity.

IF the left had a legitimate issue, then wrong would be wrong and they would vote with their pocketbooks. They would have boycotted those countries long ago.

And the family in the white house who blather on endlessly about bringing jobs back to america would not still be operating their sweat shops there. Seems to afflict everyone doesn't it. They certainly are not wailing except in support for all your racist white people.

 

[ataraxia]

Re: whether cannibalism is right or wrong:

Yes because who are we to judge the cultures and practices of other nations.

The same people who can judge our own culture and practices. How did we decide, after all, that tobacco was a bad habit? Or that we should give women the right to vote? Some practices, habits, and traditions are more objectively dysfunctional than others, and interfere with the happiness, welfare, well-being, and development of the human potential of a culture than others.

This is a great book on the subject written by an anthropologist:

Amazon.com: Sick Societies: Challenging the Myth of Primitive Harmony (9780029089255): Robert B. Edgerton: Books

 

[The Resister]

A couple of points about this:

1) pointing out the dysfunctional and hurtful parts of a certain culture does not mean you hate all of it and are trying to erase its history. If we would find statues of Hitler and Goering in our town square offensive, does that mean that we hate all German culture and its people? That must mean we must hate Oktoberfest and Beethoven too?

Similarly, if we find confederate flags and stutues of traitors to the US offensive, does that mean we must hate grits and country music too?

It doesn't have to be an all-or-none phenomenon.

2) Cultures cannot change on a dime. It takes generations. Slavery was common all over the ancient world. Instructions for how exactly to do it so it is pleasing to the Lord are all over even the Bible. Talk of it being immoral only started coming up in the 17th century or so in post-enlightenment "western" societies. It has taken a long time for it to be slowly be adapted here. In other parts of the world, it is still ongoing.

That doesn't mean we can't work slowly towards it. Even the founding fathers of this country who themselves were slave owners, knew it was wrong, but also knew that it was not a cultural change that could happen quickly:

I've answered this so many times on this board, I've forgotten what threads I did so in. This issue, for the players involved, is NOT about race. It is about power and control.

The same organizations fighting and the ones keeping the lists started out with segregated schools, then removing nativity scenes on public property. From there it was the battle over the Ten Commandments. Then they went after Confederate flags. Once that battle was won, they went for erasing white history from street and road signs; the names of schools and government buildings. They're taking white people's faces off the currency. Today they've won on the issue of memorials, statues and monuments.

Then , they went after the statue of Roger Taney. After this battle is over, it leaves them with attacking the American flag and then the genocide will no longer be subtle. It will be the whites in the cross hairs.

 

[The Resister]

Those who wail and complain willingly buy from stores that use slave labor. Of their own free will and volition, the same people squawking about racism buy products that are Made in Japan all day long. Those same companies claiming racism is so bad are the same people whose home is full of products are predominantly Made in China. Then the groups making lists of the racists in this country donate heavily to a country that is based upon exclusivity.

IF the left had a legitimate issue, then wrong would be wrong and they would vote with their pocketbooks. They would have boycotted those countries long ago.

And the family in the white house who blather on endlessly about bringing jobs back to america would not still be operating their sweat shops there. Seems to afflict everyone doesn't it. They certainly are not wailing except in support for all your racist white people.

Trump doesn't have a problem with racism when it suits his agenda. Your point?

 

[The Resister]

You can be nationalistic without being racist. Then there is the term "nationalism" which the United States and most its citizens of every color and ethnicity are guilty of, which can be used at times to denote something different from "patriotism."

The modern "nation-state" did not always exist. It did not exist during the early European conquests and colonization of the Americas, Asia, Africa, the Polynesian Islands. But it was beginning its period of conception around that time.

"State" is not necessarily the same thing as "nation." Mostly we use the terms interchangeably today but more technically they denoted or connoted different conceptions. The "state" is the political apparatus like the 3 branches of the US Federal Government. The "nation" is actually the people.

In the Afrocentric social sciences the term "nation" is used where most of us use the term "ethnicity." To me this is more a matter of preference and the Afrocentric academicians are not wrong for using the word "nation" instead.

But take for example the traditional Catholic view of Catholicism versus Judaism. By following Jesus, Catholicism traditionally has claim, the Christian is the true member of a nation that directly stems from the ancient nation (people) of Israel, and that Jews are Jews but by rejecting Jesus are no longer a part of that nation connected to ancient Israel.

I bring this up because "nation" can be conceptualized--as it is in the traditional Catholic case--as multi-racial, multi-ethnic. On the other hand, "nation" can be conceptualized specifically as the way one does "ethnicity." In this case... Catholicism is not a nation and nor are American citizens, rather, they are both organizations made up of many nations (ethnicities).



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[The Resister]

So, this brings us to the term "white nationalist." Here we must bear in mind that "race" and "ethnicity" are not one and the same concept. Take... the Puerto Ricans (whether called a "nation" or an "ethnicity")... they are a single "nationality" or "nation" or "ethnicity" but they are multi-racial. Kind of like the Jews are. Both come in the racial categorizations of white, brown, and black. Of course, white nationalist deny Jews are "white."

The term "white nationalist" is used to connote a racially (not ethnically) separatist view. Generally because it places high value on a concept called "biological determinism" or its twin or sibling "genetic determinism." And "racism" is: the belief in the superiority of one race over another race. So, by the rhetoric of white nationalists it is pretty clear they want racial separatism because they believe white people are--through biological, genetic determinism--superior in various behavioral and physical traits to blacks, mixed-race people, Jews and so on.

The question Americans have never really figured out an answer to--although most conservatives probably have formulated a more clear idea than most liberals--is exactly what is an "American nationality"? Is it Satanism equal to Christianity, Judasim, and Islam? Is it gay marriage? Is it cowboys? Is it Chicago gangsters? Is it old money WASPs in Connecticut? Is it Islamist running a country? Is it promoting (not even tolerating) women walking around in full burkas or just the hijab?

Because the term "we are Americans" becomes relatively meaningless if there is no moral and cultural coherency. You might as well be like warring tribes in Iraq that need armed police and strong armed government to keep hating or rival factions from killing each other. But maybe that is the purpose of Identity Politics... I don't know.[/QUOTE]

It appears this thread has played out, but I wanted to take a moment to respond to this.

People wanting to find fault with "racism" will make a big objection and be overly dramatic about the issue of ethnicity. The reality is, when we see people with given racial traits we draw the conclusion many times that a person is of a certain ethnicity based upon physical features, race being the predominant one.

Scientists agree that the average person lumps race and ethnicity into the same category:

Difference Between Ethnicity and Race | Difference Between

Whether by accident or design, the founding fathers were racially of one primary kind: white. And they shared a common religion with the same reasons for coming to America. By the time they developed their unique American culture, their race was an inextricable part of their ethnicity. Furthermore, their culture is unique and no matter how much you try to integrate it, the foreign cultures have varying degrees of ability to assimilate.

No matter how people try to spin it, America was founded by white men whose basic beliefs were based upon Christianity and the English Common Law. That is what the fundamental principles upon what this nation was built on. Other races, cultures and nationalities cannot understand that - at least fully and none seem to be willing to adopt our culture. So, the left demands that we integrate - and then bury our history, culture, ethnicity, etc. to accommodate them. Somehow it's expected that we make allowances for others, but by the same standard, many people have some lame excuse as to why the white people (or the posterity of the founding fathers if you like that designation better) cannot retain their culture, history, traditions, culture, ethnicity - whatever you choose to characterize it by.

It's race when it's black people wailing over the Confederate flag, statues, memorials, etc. and then when we get into these conversations about white people - there is suddenly no such concept as race and the whites have no issue according to the left. Perhaps cognitive dissonance is a disease of the left.

At the end of the day, and I've been consistent about the over-all fight, this has been an assault on this country's religion, heritage, culture, historical institutions, and every component that made up what was the posterity of the founding fathers. It's still genocide against whites (for lack of a better term - and you'd find fault with any I could imagine.)

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[The Resister]

The people aligning themselves with nazis and white nationalists that are estranged from their own culture are blind as bats. How many of those groups today invoke the names of the men who signed the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation or the Constitution? Not one in 100 could tell you what the Mayflower Compact was issued. NONE of them can tell you what an unalienable Right is. You'd be lucky to find three out of the entire crowd that could tell you who knew anything about John Wycliffe, John Locke, Ezra Stiles or James Wilson.

The Internet is all about one - upping the next guy. But, at the end of the day, the issue is about power and control. It's about replacing the posterity of the men who created the greatest nation in the annals of history. I'll never know if Donald Trump intended to make America great again by empowering those people who are descended from those I've described (and those like them), but they haven't stood up to be counted. And while I believe in the principles of our founding fathers, I don't see where any major group is standing on those precepts. If Trump thought they existed, then he was as wrong about them as I have been. Being a politician, maybe he knew they were really gone and all he had to do was to allow the Nutzis and their support team to show up and get spanked - then disposed of, taking the white man's history with them as they went.

 

[Brochacholomigo]

Since you didn't understand the answer, it is NO. Most of the people you see in those protests don't even understand what you just said.

A couple of years ago, a lot of those people associated with civilian militias espousing God, the flag (the American one), the Constitution and apple pie. Now they have done a 180 degree turn, following a dark haired Pillsbury Dough Boy and a spoiled rich kid that the left hates because he is the white version of their community organizer. Most white nationalists are kids that probably came from broken homes, work at dead end jobs, don't have a clue... and like the left are looking for someone to blame.

You don't have to understand how you see the world to view it in terms of Us vs. Them. Ethnonationalism has always been, at heart, a political philosophy of the collective, where the race as a whole comes far before the individual, and those who fail to tow the party line are race traitors, by sole virtue of their skin color.

If you want to force your morality and views on others, you are authoritarian, and if your worldview is predicated on groups sharing guilt and responsibility rather than individuals, you are a collectivist. Whether or not the individual in question understands what those words even mean is irrelevant.
Also, just to clarify, I am not referring to the majority of the Alt-Right or civilian militias when I say white nationalists - just the people who want to make an ethnostate for the white race in America. You know, like their name implies.

 

[TurtleDude]

At one time I studied the groups that some call the "far right" or the "racist right" or just plain white racists. and yes, there is at least a stated difference between white SUPREMACISTS (hard core racists) and people who claim to be "white separatists" (that Randy Weaver was the latter and denied being the former was a major reason for one of the real FUps in FBI history). and yes, I have heard and read white separatist claims that they aren't "racist" or bigots anymore than say Orthodox Jews who wish to live in their own enclaves or the Amish or other groups that tend to shun mixing with other cultures or groups. and I guess, somewhere, some place there is actually a white separatist who honestly-and I repeat honestly-believes that blacks, Jews, Asians, Latinos, Arabs, etc are no worse or better than he is and he merely wants to live among people who look, talk and think like he does.

but for the most part they are racist and bigots and anyone who claims you cannot learn or proper by interacting with people who don't look like you is at best, a bigot, in my book

 

[The Resister]

You don't have to understand how you see the world to view it in terms of Us vs. Them. Ethnonationalism has always been, at heart, a political philosophy of the collective, where the race as a whole comes far before the individual, and those who fail to tow the party line are race traitors, by sole virtue of their skin color.

If you want to force your morality and views on others, you are authoritarian, and if your worldview is predicated on groups sharing guilt and responsibility rather than individuals, you are a collectivist. Whether or not the individual in question understands what those words even mean is irrelevant.
Also, just to clarify, I am not referring to the majority of the Alt-Right or civilian militias when I say white nationalists - just the people who want to make an ethnostate for the white race in America. You know, like their name implies.

Try to muddle the issues. Antifa supporters are authoritarian and by your standards everybody would be a collectivist.

I don't care what you want to call it. When the Amish separate themselves from the rest of the world to live in their own reality, I don't have an issue with it. When blacks are crowing about all black colleges, the whites don't protest them. If the Muslims put a sign over their door saying no whites allowed, I'd have no problem with it.

You can dodge, duck and spin the issue any way you like, but the whites (and it's a generic term) are not doing anything that most everybody else is doing. Even when other groups are trying to tell you that they accept the white people, they maintain their own culture. The same courtesy is not extended to the whites. The whites buried the hatchet and accepted one compromise after another until they had no semblance of their culture - and now their history left.

You want to hide behind authoritarianism in an effort to deny the whites an equal consideration the land their forefathers fought, bled and died in order to establish a constitutional Republic. Then you want to complain about it... What???

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. White nationalists can include people who are not nazis, hatemongers, or overt racists. Too many definitions of white nationalists for your poll to be accurate.

any form of self identifying white nationalist.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Why is this so difficult for The President of The United States?

Why is it so difficult for your ilk to vote in the "I support antifa" thread?

 

[The Resister]

any form of self identifying white nationalist.

The problem is, the general public and the MSM have declared that you are either on the side of antifa or the nazi / white nationalist coalition.

When I state, unequivocally, that I'm not on either side, I'm put on the white nationalist side by default (insofar as the masses are concerned.) The nazis don't want me. I'm not a National Socialist, but rather a strict constructionist that believes in the Constitution.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

The problem is, the general public and the MSM have declared that you are either on the side of antifa or the nazi / white nationalist coalition.

When I state, unequivocally, that I'm not on either side, I'm put on the white nationalist side by default (insofar as the masses are concerned.) The nazis don't want me. I'm not a National Socialist, but rather a strict constructionist that believes in the Constitution.

Good for you. The left has always been known to do this.


1. do you believe in the superiority of the white race?
2. are you a separatist?
3. do you believe in national socialism?
4. are you a racist?


if your answer is "no" then it doesn't matter what they say.

 

[jonny5]

Same as the "I support the ANTIFA" thread.


My vote is obviously I do not.


Please vote and explain your position.

Support how? Agree with their beliefs? Nope. Support their right to speak and assemble? Of course.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Trump doesn't have a problem with racism when it suits his agenda. Your point?

America doesn't have a problem with racism when it suits its agenda.

 

[The Resister]

Good for you. The left has always been known to do this.


1. do you believe in the superiority of the white race?

I believe in the INFERORITY of the white race

2. are you a separatist?

In some aspects of my life.
3. do you believe in national socialism?

No

4. are you a racist?

It depends upon how you interpret the word. I don't want to reign supreme over other races; I would never deny to them any unalienable Right that other people have. In parts of my life that I choose to celebrate and embrace my heritage if / when it requires me to be separate, then I do it. If you feel differently, I refuse to criticize your choices.


if your answer is "no" then it doesn't matter what they say.

Life is not all white and black as you can see.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Life is not all white and black as you can see.

expound on 1 and 4 please

 

[The Resister]

expound on 1 and 4 please

Expound on it? The same strategies to defeat the nazis white nationalists / whatever they call themselves was used in how many battles and they have never won? What do you call a person that keeps using the same strategy and keeps having the same results thinking each time something different will happen?

Number 4 needs no explanation. If you would have left the statues up and accepted the past and let those who enjoy their heroes be at peace, the masses think you're racist. It's just a word. I can live with it. Can the other sides?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Expound on it? The same strategies to defeat the nazis white nationalists / whatever they call themselves was used in how many battles and they have never won? What do you call a person that keeps using the same strategy and keeps having the same results thinking each time something different will happen?

Number 4 needs no explanation. If you would have left the statues up and accepted the past and let those who enjoy their heroes be at peace, the masses think you're racist. It's just a word. I can live with it. Can the other sides?

are you a white nationalist?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Same as the "I support the ANTIFA" thread.


My vote is obviously I do not.


Please vote and explain your position.

I don't support anything that is not all inclusive, including race, gender, age or ethnicity.

All of these groups are exclusive to whites I understand, therefore I oppose them