I have to ask, where’s the outrage?

[Superfly]

I see you failed to answer the question. Like I said, it's all about attacking defending Trump and if sanity has to be suspended, so be it.

Fixed it for you. No charge!

 

[Superfly]

Don't exclude the forcing of drugs on the kids.

And they won't allow the caregivers to even hold the babies. I imagine (well, I have to imagine, because they won't allow cameras in there - why is that, I wonder?) rows of babies, sitting in car seats, crying, because they are alone, and scared, and no one can hold them or comfort them. I hope that this isn't true.

 

[TheGoverness]

And they won't allow the caregivers to even hold the babies. I imagine (well, I have to imagine, because they won't allow cameras in there - why is that, I wonder?) rows of babies, sitting in car seats, crying, because they are alone, and scared, and no one can hold them or comfort them. I hope that this isn't true.

I hope it isn't either. That leaked audio of those kids crying already hurts to listen to.

 

[veritas1]

Fixed it for you. No charge!

I see you failed to answer the question again.

 

[Superfly]

I see you failed to answer the question again.

What, the "good parenting" question? Is that what you are yammering on about?

Sending your children away to safety is a hard decision, but sometimes what is best for the child. Like I have already mentioned before, it's similar to someone giving their child up for adoption because they know that the child will be better taken care of by a family that is more well-off.

"Good parenting" is a fluid concept. What you may consider bad parenting, I consider quite possibly the selfless act of a loving, grieving parent.

 

[Pedestrian]

The large majority of minors in custody of ICE were separated from their families by their families and sent here by themselves. Why no outrage over that? From all I’ve seen, parents are held completely blameless. What would happen if an American parent sent their child to a foreign country?

Hey, do not despair, they may yet...for a better life.

 

[veritas1]

What, the "good parenting" question? Is that what you are yammering on about?

Sending your children away to safety is a hard decision, but sometimes what is best for the child. Like I have already mentioned before, it's similar to someone giving their child up for adoption because they know that the child will be better taken care of by a family that is more well-off.

"Good parenting" is a fluid concept. What you may consider bad parenting, I consider quite possibly the selfless act of a loving, grieving parent.

Yea, quite selfless sending your kid alone into the desert hoping he/she survives. Unreal.

 

[poweRob]

What, the "good parenting" question? Is that what you are yammering on about?

Sending your children away to safety is a hard decision, but sometimes what is best for the child. Like I have already mentioned before, it's similar to someone giving their child up for adoption because they know that the child will be better taken care of by a family that is more well-off.

"Good parenting" is a fluid concept. What you may consider bad parenting, I consider quite possibly the selfless act of a loving, grieving parent.

Basically these folks are running away from their narco states run by MS-13. A gang that trumpettes say is absolutely terrifying... while at the same time not scary enough for these people to run from somehow.

 

[X Factor]

That's true, but does not matter because the people you listed have a (D) after their name, not an (R). How many remember this?

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All forgotten now in order to demonize Tump.

I cannot believe that they didn’t think to use “mama” instead of “mommy” on that sign.

 

[X Factor]

Basically these folks are running away from their narco states run by MS-13. A gang that trumpettes say is absolutely terrifying... while at the same time not scary enough for these people to run from somehow.

I thought there were no ****hole countries?

 

[poweRob]

I thought there were no ****hole countries?

In the midst of your trolling here... perhaps you can link to someone saying there were no countries in trouble?

 

[OlNate]

I thought there was terrible evil in separating kids from the families. That’s not the case?

It is...can two different people not be assholes at the same time?

I think it's a little tougher to know if the parents were acting in their children's best interest or not...probably examples could be found all up and down that scale. US policy is a little easier to criticize, if you're of a mind to do so, since it has been uniformly administered. Plus, Trump always claims to be "better than".

Here's what I would need to know before deciding to get pissed at the parents...was the parent acting selfishly, or did they have no other choice. If I was walking in the woods with my 5 year old son, and a bear attacked, I would consider whether me sacrificing myself to the bear would save my son, and if so, despite causing a separation, I would give him that opportunity, if I couldn't figure out a way to get both of us away from the bear. I would hope that someone would find my son, and look after him, give him a chance. When things get desperate enough, you can't wait for a sure thing, you take the best shot you have.

Now, if my son stumbled upon an adult, who then refused to help him, or worse, grabbed him and treated him like ****, well...in this particular scenario, who's the asshole?

 

[DiAnna]

Di, you presume that every asylum claim is legit.

No, I don't. However, I do presume that every asylum claimant is entitled to a hearing to plead their case, in accordance with US law, when they present themselves at a Port of Entry. If the claim is denied, they are deported, and in the case of families they are all deported together. At least, they were.

A large portion of them aren’t and aren’t even claimed until someone actually gets caught because it halts deportation proceedings. I guess I see Border Patrol and ICE agents the same way I do cops. Some are dirty for sure. We had two Border Patrol agents convicted federally for shooting a drug smuggler and sentenced to 10 years (I think, it’s been awhile) because of mandatory minimum sentences having to do with using a firearm, sparking it’s own outrage mostly among people of similar politics to mine. I read the account of what they did, though, and how they tried to hide it and the conviction and sentence was warranted. For the most part though, these guys aren’t bad guys, at all, and aren’t seeking to confiscate children. I don’t think so anyway.

Border Patrol agents aren't bad guys. They are law enforcement officers doing what their superiors tell them to do. In this case, they had been apparently told to refuse all access to Ports of Entry based on "volume"; they had also been told, apparently, to treat those who tried to reach a Port of Entry by an unsanctioned route as criminal rather than civil cases, and that is the change that then allowed them to remove more than 2,000 children from their parents in six weeks.

That this has happened is indisputable. Whether it was acceptable or not is the only question. I am quite firmly in the "not" camp.

 

[X Factor]

No, I don't. However, I do presume that every asylum claimant is entitled to a hearing to plead their case, in accordance with US law, when they present themselves at a Port of Entry. If the claim is denied, they are deported, and in the case of families they are all deported together. At least, they were.



Border Patrol agents aren't bad guys. They are law enforcement officers doing what their superiors tell them to do. In this case, they had been apparently told to refuse all access to Ports of Entry based on "volume"; they had also been told, apparently, to treat those who tried to reach a Port of Entry by an unsanctioned route as criminal rather than civil cases, and that is the change that then allowed them to remove more than 2,000 children from their parents in six weeks.

That this has happened is indisputable. Whether it was acceptable or not is the only question. I am quite firmly in the "not" camp.

Yes, that the cases have been prosecuted as criminal when there is illegal entry is indisputable, the part about them preventing people from approaching them at a port of entry is something I have seen disputed.

 

[DiAnna]

Yes, that the cases have been prosecuted as criminal when there is illegal entry is indisputable, the part about them preventing people from approaching them at a port of entry is something I have seen disputed.

I have seen "the earth is round" disputed, lol. In this case, I saw footage from at least five news crews, two in Mexico and three in the US, who report that they saw this very thing happening. Right now, this administration's contradictory statements and the fact that they have no clue where they are going from here is indisputable, so forgive those of us who don't believe a damned thing from this WH and are more inclined to believe the reporters and those they have interviewed.

My biggest problem right now is that the administration doesn't have any way to reunite the 2300+ kids that have already been yanked and spread all around the country, no plans to ever do so, and HHS doesn't seem willing or able to tell us where these kids are... or even who they are.

As a judge reportedly said this week, "You mean when their wallet is taken upon being arrested, they get a receipt, but when their child is taken, they don't even get a slip of paper?" Then he slammed his hand on his bench so hard a pen went airborne.

That judge pretty much mirrors my feelings at the moment.

 

[What if...?]

I thought there was terrible evil in separating kids from the families. That’s not the case?

Its probably the surprise buttsex element that has people upset.

 

[X Factor]

I have seen "the earth is round" disputed, lol. In this case, I saw footage from at least five news crews, two in Mexico and three in the US, who report that they saw this very thing happening. Right now, this administration's contradictory statements and the fact that they have no clue where they are going from here is indisputable, so forgive those of us who don't believe a damned thing from this WH and are more inclined to believe the reporters and those they have interviewed.

My biggest problem right now is that the administration doesn't have any way to reunite the 2300+ kids that have already been yanked and spread all around the country, no plans to ever do so, and HHS doesn't seem willing or able to tell us where these kids are... or even who they are.

As a judge reportedly said this week, "You mean when their wallet is taken upon being arrested, they get a receipt, but when their child is taken, they don't even get a slip of paper?" Then he slammed his hand on his bench so hard a pen went airborne.

That judge pretty much mirrors my feelings at the moment.

Sure, Di, if you’ll excuse those of us not exactly confident in the veracity of every statement or story in the press when it comes to Trump. I think we both have legit reason to be dubious. In this case, though, I’m talking about statements from Border Patrol spokes people I’ve heard about what they do and what they’ve seen. I don’t feel I have a lot of reason to doubt them, but I’m speaking only for myself.