I guess now we know why Trump dumped the Kurds

[ocean515]

Why did Trump allow ISIS prisoners to escape? Wait, I know.

ISIS was only of concern to the Right Wing when Obama was president...kind of like deficits.

The Right is too dumb to hide their hypocrisy.

So I guess you encourage attacks Saudi Arabia.

Interesting to see you confirm that.

 

[calamity]

So I guess you encourage attacks Saudi Arabia.

Interesting to see you confirm that.

What language is that?

 

[ocean515]

What language is that?

English.





Don't be a grammar Nazi.

 

[Airyaman]

I don't know if they did or not.

Why do you think France, the UK, and other Nations with troops in the area hate the Kurds and are willing to see them slaughtered?

1) There is no indication that any troops other NATO troops were stationed in the area (I could not find anything)
2) Turkey is a NATO country so other NATO countries are not going to engage with them
3) None of this would have been necessary if Trump had not gotten rolled by Erdogan on a phone call

 

[apdst]

The region might not be ours to lose, but our good word in the world sure the hell is, and Trump is doing his level best to make sure its as good as his word to a contractor on one of his projects.

We blew that in 1974.

 

[Mycroft]

what were u.s. Troops even in northern syria to begin with?

ISIS

(thanks, Obama)

 

[apdst]

Why do you think trump and his supporters are down with selling out are allies and succumbing to murderous dictators? trump and his admin neophytes lied to the Kurds in regards to talking them out of aligning with Syria, saying they’d take care of Turkey.

Are you forgetting Turkey getting those S-400s from Ru$$ia, an existential threat to Israel? Are you good with the ethnic cleanser Erdogan coming to the USA for a state visit in a month? So much for those 12,000 dead Kurdish Soldiers who fought for the USA — Ungrateful Sabotaging Ally.

Daesh appreciates the support of trump and his supporters in rebuilding what the Kurds had terminated, especially letting those 60 ‘high value’ prisoners escape. It won’t be long before the Islamic State is back to 100,000 again.

Even Evangelical Leaders can’t stomach what this compromised, corrupt, lying traitor has done in appeasing this Kurdish Slaughter.

You never had a problem with it, before. Why do you have a problem, now? Because "Truuuuuuump!"?

 

[apdst]

You're kidding right? The talking point of Republicans, even during the Obama admin, was that we couldn't leave Iraq because we couldn't abandon the Kurds.

Now, you are supportive of abandoning them because it's Trump. Trump supporters truly are a cult.

And he did it and y'all worshipped him for it.

 

[PoS]

The region might not be ours to lose, but our good word in the world sure the hell is, and Trump is doing his level best to make sure its as good as his word to a contractor on one of his projects.

Good word? Obama's false promises stopped when he left office. We're not Team America: World Police.

Why do you think trump and his supporters are down with selling out are allies and succumbing to murderous dictators? trump and his admin neophytes lied to the Kurds in regards to talking them out of aligning with Syria, saying they’d take care of Turkey.

Are you forgetting Turkey getting those S-400s from Ru$$ia, an existential threat to Israel? Are you good with the ethnic cleanser Erdogan coming to the USA for a state visit in a month? So much for those 12,000 dead Kurdish Soldiers who fought for the USA — Ungrateful Sabotaging Ally.

Daesh appreciates the support of trump and his supporters in rebuilding what the Kurds had terminated, especially letting those 60 ‘high value’ prisoners escape. It won’t be long before the Islamic State is back to 100,000 again.

Even Evangelical Leaders can’t stomach what this compromised, corrupt, lying traitor has done in appeasing this Kurdish Slaughter.

The Kurds have engaged in terrorism, so theyre not the good guys here.

And we've always been in bed with dictators. Saudi Arabia ring a bell? Wake up and smell the coffee, lady.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

You people really hate peace, don't you?

Pulling the troops out actually started a conflict. This is not peace. It seems you hate peace.

And stabbing your friends in the back is scummy no matter how you cut it.

The problem is Trump offers simplistic solutions to complex problems. It's possible to reduce our involvement while keeping the Kurds safe from attack by Turkey.

Moreover, it's absurd to paint Trump as some kind of pacifist. He's the only president I can remember who threatened nuclear war. He's threatened to nuke North Korea and Afghanistan. Oh and a hurricane. He's increased spending on nuclear weapons. Why? Why do we need more nukes?

We have an army larger than the next 8 combined but he increased military spending despite our huge deficit.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Good word? Obama's false promises stopped when he left office. We're not Team America: World Police.



The Kurds have engaged in terrorism, so theyre not the good guys here.

And we've always been in bed with dictators. Saudi Arabia ring a bell? Wake up and smell the coffee, lady.

The claim that Obama was acting as world police is absurd. He did intervene when a dictator was using Jets to bomb his own people. A rather minor intervention.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

ISIS

(thanks, Obama)

ISIS

(thanks, Bush)

We left Iraq when Bush agreed we would leave. He signed an agreement. The Iraqis wanted us out.

In this case, the Kurds don't want us out. And it's only a few troops. This is treachery.

 

[calamity]

ISIS

(thanks, Obama)

Let this sink in.

"In less than a week, all that was achieved, and sacrificed, in the fight against ISIS has come undone"

The war against ISIS was all a waste - CNN

So the US is cutting and running, abandoning those who fought side-by-side with them to defeat ISIS once and for all -- or so we thought. Since last December President Trump has been in an awful hurry to pull US forces out of Syria, seemingly indifferent to the consequences.
And, of course, the term "deliberate withdrawal" is government-speak for something much simpler: betrayal and retreat.

 

[TomFitz]

"Beholden to some foreign power?"

Does that region belong to us? Is it even ours to lose?

The Middle East has largely been in the US sphere of influence to a greater or lessor degree since the end of WWII, and especially since the Royal Navy ceded jurisdiction over patrolling the Persian Gulf to CentCom.

That’s why CentCom exists.

You don’t seem to know that.

Or are you just trying out the excuse that Trump’s dwindling number of spin doctors fed you?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Trump is the first President since Carter not to start any new wars.

He hasn't done as much as I'd like, but he's done far more than I ever thought possible before he came along.

You must have positively subterranean expectations.

 

[Thoreau72]

U.S. ‘Withdraws’ as Kurds Strike Deal to Let Assad’s Forces Into Region[/SIZE]

Why don't we elect a president who is not beholden to some foreign power?

Are you kidding? The entire Congress is beholden to the foreign power of Israel by way of AIPAC. Wake up and smell the napalm sir.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Are you kidding? The entire Congress is beholden to the foreign power of Israel by way of AIPAC. Wake up and smell the napalm sir.

I agree about that but how does that change the fact that Trump seems to be doing Putin's bidding? It's like Putin is our president.

 

[Thoreau72]

I agree about that but how does that change the fact that Trump seems to be doing Putin's bidding? It's like Putin is our president.

Well, I'm not sure this is Putin's fault. I do not buy into the Russiagate narrative, then or now. In days gone by, Trump had done things that make him appear to be in Bibi's pocket rather than Vlad's pocket.

Putin is playing chess, while others seem to be playing checkers.

Who knows what private agreements Putin and Erdogan might have? If Syria and Russia accept the Kurds, does that mean that now Turkey is the enemy?

Too soon to tell, I guess?

 

[Mycroft]

Let this sink in.

"In less than a week, all that was achieved, and sacrificed, in the fight against ISIS has come undone"

The war against ISIS was all a waste - CNN

Trump ended the control ISIS was allowed to gain over a large area of both Syria and Iraq. That control is gone. That is what was achieved and it hasn't "come undone".

What was a waste was the US being there in the first place...for which Trump isn't responsible.

Now...whether ISIS comes back or not is a matter for others in the region to determine. It's not our problem.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Trump ended the control ISIS was allowed to gain over a large area of both Syria and Iraq. That control is gone. That is what was achieved and it hasn't "come undone".

What was a waste was the US being there in the first place...for which Trump isn't responsible.

Now...whether ISIS comes back or not is a matter for others in the region to determine. It's not our problem.

If thats the case, why was any of it our problem to begin with?

 

[Mycroft]

If thats the case, why was any of it our problem to begin with?

You'll have to ask Obama about that. He's the one who made it our problem.

 

[Lutherf]

When did the US ever promise they would protect the Kurds from Turkey?

Our options were:
1. Invade Syria, remove Assad and assist the Kurds in establishing a sovereign nation.
2. Leave
3. Keep troops there in perpetuity as nothing in that region changed

There were no good options.

Turkey, as bad as things are, is still a NATO ally and NATO/EU needs to be the entity that reins them in. It’s not something the US can or should do unilaterally.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

You'll have to ask Obama about that. He's the one who made it our problem.

Wait....Obama attacked Iraq? Got a link for that one?

 

[PoS]

The claim that Obama was acting as world police is absurd. He did intervene when a dictator was using Jets to bomb his own people. A rather minor intervention.

It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

It has to be all or nothing because endless war is never the right choice. Look at what Obama did- he left Trump a mess.

The Middle East has largely been in the US sphere of influence to a greater or lessor degree since the end of WWII, and especially since the Royal Navy ceded jurisdiction over patrolling the Persian Gulf to CentCom.

That’s why CentCom exists.

You don’t seem to know that.

Or are you just trying out the excuse that Trump’s dwindling number of spin doctors fed you?

Ridiculous. The ME isnt a playground for the West to maintain their empires with. You seem to think this is still the 19th Century. You are woefully out of touch.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

It has to be all or nothing because endless war is never the right choice. Look at what Obama did- he left Trump a mess.

Try your best to intelligently explain to me what Obama did other than withdraw troops based on an agreement that Bush made and Iraqis wanted us to honor.

By the time Trump came into office ISIS was pretty much defeated. Please tell me when ISIS began losing ground.