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I guess now we know why Trump dumped the Kurds

Trump voters are responsible for everything that happens during Trump.

I'm hoping a ton of them pass away peacefully from old age so that younger, more honorable and intelligent voters can eventually fix these problems created by them.
 
You people really hate peace, don't you?

A bunch of babies, toddlers and tweens were just slaughtered. They would have preferred peace.
 
Oh, say can you see,
By the dawn's early light,
That the Istanbul Tower
of Trump is topflight.

[Ed.: Please feel free to add a second stanza.]
 
Yes, because peace comes from abandoning your allies with zero notice so many of them can be slaughtered.

Why do you think France, the UK, and other Nations with troops in the area hate the Kurds and are willing to see them slaughtered?
 
Why do you think France, the UK, and other Nations with troops in the area hate the Kurds and are willing to see them slaughtered?

All of our allies around the world need to stop depending upon us, because we will make snap decisions that will cause them major problems, and just band together and do things without us. That's their best way forward.
 
Why do you think France, the UK, and other Nations with troops in the area hate the Kurds and are willing to see them slaughtered?

Did they make calls with Erdogan to stand aside?

(Only one country did that)
 
Yes, if there was any doubt that Trump is Putin's bitch, only the idiots still have it.

I don't do this often but I read a couple of posts by Trump supporters to my wife from this board regarding the Kurds. Her reaction was...

"Oh for Gods sakes"

My wife is a thousand times smarter than the average Trump voter. Not that that's news or anything.
 
All of our allies around the world need to stop depending upon us, because we will make snap decisions that will cause them major problems, and just band together and do things without us. That's their best way forward.

Well, that's one way.

Perhaps they should try to put their blood, sweat, and money, where their mouths are.

Can you explain why they won't, and are willing to let the Kurds die?

Do you know anything about the Kurdish-Turkish conflict?
 
Did they make calls with Erdogan to stand aside?

(Only one country did that)

I don't know if they did or not.

Why do you think France, the UK, and other Nations with troops in the area hate the Kurds and are willing to see them slaughtered?
 
Why do you think France, the UK, and other Nations with troops in the area hate the Kurds and are willing to see them slaughtered?

Ah, Blame France. :lamo
 
Well, that's one way.

Perhaps they should try to put their blood, sweat, and money, where their mouths are.

Can you explain why they won't, and are willing to let the Kurds die?

Do you know anything about the Kurdish-Turkish conflict?

Dude, the Kurds died fighting for us. And our leader has now abandoned them.

Do you really not know this stuff? For real?
 
Dude, the Kurds died fighting for us. And our leader has now abandoned them.

Do you really not know this stuff? For real?

Do you know anything about the Kurdish-Turkish conflict?

Why is France, the UK, and others Nations allowing the Kurds to be slaughtered?
 
Do you know anything about the Kurdish-Turkish conflict?

Why is France, the UK, and others Nations allowing the Kurds to be slaughtered?

And more important to actual Americans, I'm assuming you're an actual American, why did we ask the Kurds to die for us fighting one of our enemies and then our current leader made a snap decision that caused them to be slaughtered.

Hell, Trump could have actually worked with France and a bunch of other countries to handle protection of them but he is so friggin stupid that he just caused them to be slaughtered.

Did you go to church yesterday?
 
And more important to actual Americans, I'm assuming you're an actual American, why did we ask the Kurds to die for us fighting one of our enemies and then our current leader made a snap decision that caused them to be slaughtered.

Hell, Trump could have actually worked with France and a bunch of other countries to handle protection of them but he is so friggin stupid that he just caused them to be slaughtered.

Did you go to church yesterday?

I see you refuse to address simple questions, and prefer to just babble on.

I'll move on.
 
I see you refuse to address simple questions, and prefer to just babble on.

I'll move on.

You should move on. You have no reasonable explanation to why Donald Trump made a snap decision and abandoned an allie who has died for us thus causing them to be slaughtered.

God is watching.
 
What were U.S. Troops even in Northern Syria to begin with?

What are we doing there? We are defending our National Security Interests.

Syria is not really a country. You will have to ask the UK what on earth they were thinking while they were playing pin the tail on the donkey with maps in the ME and decided that Syria was sustainable. It was not then and is less so now. Another result of the UK's hasty retreat from the ME too broke to do otherwise, a retreat they executed twice for that matter, once in the early 20th century when they exited militarily and then again by relinquishing its management of ME oil and western oil imperialism to us in the mid-20th century.

So, Syria is wide open. While it is obvious that Saudi cannot defend its airspace, too busy suppressing women under their hot, sweaty bodies and in other ways I guess. All the Saudi's do is buy a bunch of military crap from us, resist the temptation to learn to use it and then wait for us to bring more equipment and our own troopers over to defend them. Must be nice. Whereas we raped Iran for their oil, we made partners out of the Saudi's for theirs and I guess both they and us think this is still part of the deal. We raped Iran for their oil because those people actually have tradition, pride and they would not just lift their robes and bend over to us as the Saudi's did. Iran is ancient Persia. Screw with those people at your own risk.

Syria cannot control its own borders, cannot defend its own ground let alone its airspace. It is wide open. Yet all you need do is look at a map and know how to read one to tell why it is strategically valuable territory. All it really is at this point is excellent ground from which to threaten Israel, and Saudi and the other oil bearing ME states and open territory for terrorists. The UK should have come up with a better idea for that land while it was playing pin the tail on the donkey with maps as they seeded the ground for the growth of geopolitical problems, just about the only thing that will grow there as they are virtually one of the first real casualties of climate change induced famine. That speaks volumes to how tenuous Syria's circumstance was even before climate change.

Why is ME oil still important even to us in the US? Because most of the known reserves of Light/Sweet Crude are there, NOT HERE. We are not energy self sufficient or certainly not as energy self sufficient as the heraldry of fossil fuels would have you believe. Fracking does not produce Light/Sweet crude. It produces Heavy/Sour crude. Nice that we have a way to get at it. But its not optimal for many uses and is in other cases, not usable at all.

So we are stuck on the horns of Anglo-Saxon oil imperialism. We got to be the guy left standing with no chairs when the music stops. We could have done a better job of actually embracing renewable energy. But NOOOOOOOOO!!!. The fossil fuel industry is still way too powerful politically for that to happen. Sure lets just keep sending people down in those coal mines instead of making even the slightest effort to train them to do something less hazardous and lets just keep drilling and fracking and drilling and fracking while we just tell Americans that we are "energy self-sufficient". What the heck, most Americans are gullible enough to buy that story.

This could have all worked out differently mainly if we were not so owned by the fossil fuel industry and if the UK had been a little more thoughtful about what they were doing. We are the guys left standing with no chair when the music stopped because we willingly took over management of Anglo-saxon oil imperialism in the ME from the UK who had been managing it for themselves, the French, the Dutch and the USA before they simply could not do it any longer.

Could have worked out differently if:
- the UK was more thoughtful about how they exited and gave up power in the ME
- the US managed western oil imperialism more thoughtfully and carefully than the Brits did. Instead we were even more thoughtless and careless
- we had converted more and faster to renewable energy
 
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Trump is the first President since Carter not to start any new wars.

He hasn't done as much as I'd like, but he's done far more than I ever thought possible before he came along.

I guess you missed the news about Trump sending thousands of US troops to Saudi Arabia. Fox didn't mention that. Did they?
 
I guess you missed the news about Trump sending thousands of US troops to Saudi Arabia. Fox didn't mention that. Did they?

So we should let the Western World be harmed by attacks on the supply of oil it depends on?
 
So we should let the Western World be harmed by attacks on the supply of oil it depends on?

Why did Trump allow ISIS prisoners to escape? Wait, I know.

ISIS was only of concern to the Right Wing when Obama was president...kind of like deficits.

The Right is too dumb to hide their hypocrisy.
 
"Beholden to some foreign power?"

Does that region belong to us? Is it even ours to lose?

It may come down to his biggest hotel in Europe, in Istanbul, being Trump’s to lose. This is the kind of question you face with a corrupt businessman as President.
 
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