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I could molest a 13 year old on the capital steps and they would still vote for me!

nota bene said:
I've no need to defend anything I've said.



Oh, how noble thou art. The problem is that you don't know how I feel about the alleged victims. You don't know; you're assuming. You're projecting partisanship. This is very dishonest. Find a post, just one, in which I've defended Roy Moore. You won't.



Spare me your analysis of what I'm failing to appreciate. Again, you are presumptuous. And when I used this term previously, it was a direct response to your "You also need to refocus, lady." Frankly, your time would be better spent actually reading what others write and then stifling the temptation to project attitudes you're hoping to discover in others and then saying they're lying when they tell you you're mistaken. :3oops:



Save your preaching for the unconverted. You don't know anything about me or my life experiences. You don't know what I think.
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Noting AGs comments to me and his to you and others, I suspected that he has some kind of dog in the fight.

AG, this is absolutely not a slam or criticism of you in any way. I just can’t help thinking you have some completely unrelated history that colors the depths of your feelings.
 
holbritter said:
You didn't say anything about going to a mall, so don't change the story. You are disgusted over what he signed in her year book.
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What the **** are you talking about?

How do you think a 32 year old man without any other relationship to a 16 year old girl came into a position of signing her yearbook?

I haven't signed a 16 year old girls yearbook since i was 17, but then again, i'm not a republican child rapist.
 
Absentglare said:
What the **** are you talking about?

How do you think a 32 year old man without any other relationship to a 16 year old girl came into a position of signing her yearbook?

I haven't signed a 16 year old girls yearbook since i was 17, but then again, i'm not a republican child rapist.
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Are you saying she carried her yearbook around the mall? I don't know what the **** you are talking about. You went off on how disgusting what he signed in her yearbook was. That's what I commented on. And now he's a rapist? When did that come out? You're pulling this **** out of your ass.
 
Absentglare said:
I am NOT trying to tell you about you, i am trying to explain that:
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Oddly, that's what I've been trying to tell you--that you don't get to decide for others how they are affected by their own experiences, particularly when you have no idea at all what they are.
 
MaggieD said:
Noting AGs comments to me and his to you and others, I suspected that he has some kind of dog in the fight.

AG, this is absolutely not a slam or criticism of you in any way. I just can’t help thinking you have some completely unrelated history that colors the depths of your feelings.
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Maggie when i looked at your first comment here:

MaggieD said:
I’m with you. I’m sick of these years old accusations that ruin people’s lives.

Edit... and since when did DP become, “Here, let me make up something somebody cmight say and damn everyone else for how they might react to it?”
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You seem to be suggesting that women who did not immediately confront their rapists do not deserve justice by seeming to argue against "years old accusations that ruin people's lives." My opinion is that rapists lives deserve to be ruined.

The pressure for rape victims to stay silent is considerable, it is fueled, in part, by the well-intended skepticism of people who admire the accused.

What makes me absolutely furious is when i perceive that we turn a blind eye to the suffering of others.
 
nota bene said:
Oddly, that's what I've been trying to tell you--that you don't get to decide for others how they are affected by their own experiences, particularly when you have no idea at all what they are.
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In that case, i must try to be more careful in reading.
 
holbritter said:
Are you saying she carried her yearbook around the mall? I don't know what the **** you are talking about. You went off on how disgusting what he signed in her yearbook was. That's what I commented on. And now he's a rapist? When did that come out? You're pulling this **** out of your ass.
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I'm saying it's not normal to be banned from the mall because you're a 30-something man flirting with teenage girls.

I'm saying it's not normal to be a 30-something man and randomly befriend a 16-year old girl, who you then call beautiful and sign her yearbook with "Love".

It's not normal... that is, unless you're trying to suggest that the actions of someone who pursues sexual relationships with underage girls is normal.
 
Absentglare said:
Maggie when i looked at your first comment here:

You seem to be suggesting that women who did not immediately confront their rapists do not deserve justice by seeming to argue against "years old accusations that ruin people's lives." My opinion is that rapists lives deserve to be ruined.

The pressure for rape victims to stay silent is considerable, it is fueled, in part, by the well-intended skepticism of people who admire the accused.

What makes me absolutely furious is when i perceive that we turn a blind eye to the suffering of others.
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One thing for sure, I don’t admire the guy.

I can tell you took no offense in my comment to Nota. Good. Because absolutely none intended. And obviously my mistake. Hell, I’ve been known to make more than a few guys stark raving mad a time or two in the past. ;) ;)
 
Absentglare said:
I'm saying it's not normal to be banned from the mall because you're a 30-something man flirting with teenage girls.

I'm saying it's not normal to be a 30-something man and randomly befriend a 16-year old girl, who you then call beautiful and sign her yearbook with "Love".

It's not normal... that is, unless you're trying to suggest that the actions of someone who pursues sexual relationships with underage girls is normal.
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If 16 was the age of consent back in 1979, then these weren't underaged girls. THey are by todays standards and it is certainly creepy and potentially illegal by todays standards, but was that the case 40 years ago in rural Alabama? That said, to be banned from a mall, he had to have been a major annoyance
 
"40 years ago in rural Alabama"

Side note: The city at the time had well over 50K people in it, and it was a major shipping hub.

It wasn't "rural."
 
independentusa said:
I could hear Moore saying this and it seems to be true. When you hear what his followers are saying on the boob tube, you wonder if they have a brain left amongst the whole of them. Even McConnell is saying for him to back out, but he won't. He knows that even if he molested a 13 year old on the capital steps that his followers will vote for him rather than any Dem.
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Oh. From the title I thought it was a quote from Obama.
 
Absentglare said:
I'm saying it's not normal to be banned from the mall because you're a 30-something man flirting with teenage girls.

I'm saying it's not normal to be a 30-something man and randomly befriend a 16-year old girl, who you then call beautiful and sign her yearbook with "Love".

It's not normal... that is, unless you're trying to suggest that the actions of someone who pursues sexual relationships with underage girls is normal.
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Apparently it was just fine up until he wanted to become a Senator. Hmmm....
 
WCH said:
Apparently it was just fine up until he wanted to become a Senator. Hmmm....
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If it's fine with you, that's your opinion. But for about 99.999% of us or so, no one knew about this history, and it's not "fine," no matter when or why it comes out.
 
JasperL said:
If it's fine with you, that's your opinion. But for about 99.999% of us or so, no one knew about this history, and it's not "fine," no matter when or why it comes out.
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99.999 percent of who?
 
TurtleDude said:
so your mother is proof of 38 year old allegations that seem to be based on political agendas
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My mother's case is proof that victims can take many years before they are able to admit what happened to them. However, you are not clairvoyant? How do you know there was a political agenda outside keeping a predator out of office?

It seems there is an agenda at play here but it's not on the part of the victims. Instead, it's by those who wish so badly that their guy wasn't a monster that they pretend with all of their might he isn't. Maybe if you close your eyes real tight and pretend that sexual predators don't exist within the christian and republican establishments, you can continue to play dumb when victim after victim come forward. Otherwise, you seem delusional or worse, an apologist for predators.
 
WCH said:
99.999 percent of who?
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It's in the quote - "us." It's a common word.

You said his antics were "fine." But they weren't "fine" because WE, you, me, the public, almost none of US in that public weighing in knew about his antics and so hadn't approved or condemned his actions because WE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. The only people who knew about his history are a few people in Alabama, a relative handful, a few hundred, perhaps at most a thousand or so. All the rest of US are just now finding out and so are weighing in for the first time.
 
WCH said:
Apparently it was just fine up until he wanted to become a Senator. Hmmm....
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I think it is partly that and mostly the fact that so many women have decided to come out about the men who have harassed them and people are believing them. They now feel safe in coming out where in the past they are treated just like many are still treating these women. Making them the bad guys and the people who did the acts the victims. That is just what Moore is trying to do now and only the right wingers in the backward state of Alabama believe him or will vote for him anyway since they would never vote for a Dem. Isn't that a sad commentary on the politics of our country.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Hmmm...interesting. :think:

A way to get someone to stop running for office by alleging something "naughty" happened decades before, with no evidence but an accuser's naked word, and the "believe the 'victim'" crowd demands the candidate step down (and let their favored Party candidate get the seat virtually unopposed).

No questions about the accuser's (or multiple accusers) motivations for waiting all those years, ignoring past political elections, and with no actual evidence the allegations are true.

I wonder why the accused would dare to keep running, and people would still dare to support him on such damning "evidence."

How disgusting! :roll:
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Plus there is the Christianity angle - I call it the Joseph and Mary angle. God approves of Christians in whatever they do. In fact, that was Hitler's only mistake, denying God his just due.

Hitler should have been more like Trump is.
 
WCH said:
Apparently it was just fine up until he wanted to become a Senator. Hmmm....
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Did you ask these women that before he ran for office, or are you unaware of how stupid your assumption is?
 
Absentglare said:
Did you ask these women that before he ran for office, or are you unaware of how stupid your assumption is?
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He was in the national spotlight during the 10 commandments struggle and there were no women coming forward. Why might that be?
 
WCH said:
He was in the national spotlight during the 10 commandments struggle and there were no women coming forward. Why might that be?
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One alleged victim already said: "Nobody asked."
 
MaggieD said:
I’m with you. I’m sick of these years old accusations that ruin people’s lives.

Edit... and since when did DP become, “Here, let me make up something somebody cmight say and damn everyone else for how they might react to it?”
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It's always been that way. LOL.
 
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