I could molest a 13 year old on the capital steps and they would still vote for me!

[independentusa]

Yup, Bill Clinton 20 years ago, therefore nobody has any standards anymore. Unless every modern day democrat can build a time machine and not vote for Bill Clinton, they have to issue a blank check to every and any politician to do as they like until the end of time.

Do you ever read history, this stuff was going on long before Clinton was ever in the white house. And Clinton did not go after a teenager and did not try and force himself on that woman.

 

[Johnson]

Do you ever read history, this stuff was going on long before Clinton was ever in the white house. And Clinton did not go after a teenager and did not try and force himself on that woman.

Thats really not my point. My point is that dismissing any modern impropriety with "yeahbutwhataboutbillclinton?" Really isn't a good argument, it just serves to muddy the water.

 

[countryboy]

Yet, to this day, Bill Clinton is model for the modern Leftist. (i. e. the party of sexual deviancy)

And let's not forget old Teddy Kennedy, you know, the lion of the Senate? :roll:

The party of, "Do as we say, not as we do, and like it". That should be the official slogan of the DNC. :roll:

 

[rocket88]

You do have to wonder why these allegations are surfacing now, don't you? How did the Washington Post just so happen to discover an event that occurred in 1979, and publish it 2 months before election time?

No doubt, but if you are interested in "truth at all costs," it should come out if true,

 

[NerosGold]

I’m with you. I’m sick of these years old accusations that ruin people’s lives.

Edit... and since when did DP become, “Here, let me make up something somebody cmight say and damn everyone else for how they might react to it?”

Holy ****.

You people are starting to wake up.

I have hope, I have hope.

 

[holbritter]

I could hear Moore saying this and it seems to be true. When you hear what his followers are saying on the boob tube, you wonder if they have a brain left amongst the whole of them. Even McConnell is saying for him to back out, but he won't. He knows that even if he molested a 13 year old on the capital steps that his followers will vote for him rather than any Dem.

now she's 13?

 

[SheWolf]

I'm not assigning blame to the victim. I understand how the guilt and feelings of failure work. The same symptoms are a major aspect of PTSD. However, none of that changes the fact that the failure to act when such a situation occurs leaves the door open for the assailant to victimize someone else.

Yes, and a lot of victims struggle with that and blame themselves for failing to speak out. There is no easy way to proceed. Speak out or live in silence, neither is easy. Many states also have a statue of limitations, so it's harder when the abuse occurs as a child.

 

[Common Sense 1]

I️ recommend you Google ‘Denny Hastert, Speaker of the House and wrestling coach’ and let us know what you think.

There is a giant difference... Hastert was charged with a crime, had a trial and was sentence to 15 months in prison.
So MaddieD made an excellent point!

 

[Threegoofs]

There is a giant difference... Hastert was charged with a crime, had a trial and was sentence to 15 months in prison.
So MaddieD made an excellent point!

There’s lots of differences. But the similarity is what I was pointing out- someone who was sexually abused but didn’t come forward for decades.

I realize it’s a tough analogy for some.

 

[Common Sense 1]

There’s lots of differences. But the similarity is what I was pointing out- someone who was sexually abused but didn’t come forward for decades.

I realize it’s a tough analogy for some.

You are right it is tough for some.... Moore is not going to be charged with a crime... see the difference. Hastert was charged with a crime and had a trial in federal court! He had his day in court.
Moore is being tried in the media......... Understand now?

 

[volsrock]

So if I murder someone forty years ago you can not see doing anything to me today. Those women have had to live with this their whole lives. Too afraid to come out against a man that could ruin their lives and now we see it is true by your post. Even now they are bring hurt by letting people know what kind of man they are voting for. I can understand why they have waited until now, when women all over the country are coming out against their attackers. They feel safer than coming out by themselves and yet, they aren't. Powerful men are always able to make those they attack feel the full brunt of their power, even after forty years.

So if I go to the cops and tell them you broke into my house in 1980 and took my TV stereo and 1000.00 in cash. And that I want you to be smeared in the local press and questioned about it over and over

Do u think they would laugh me out of the Police Station? Yup

 

[volsrock]

Pervert Judge Moore picture prove....whoooopppss thats Biden

 

[Threegoofs]

You are right it is tough for some.... Moore is not going to be charged with a crime... see the difference. Hastert was charged with a crime and had a trial in federal court! He had his day in court.
Moore is being tried in the media......... Understand now?

Yes. I totally understand that you can’t comprehend the analogy.

 

[D_NATURED]

What's shameful is what you've said here. I don't believe for an instant that Maggie would protect a political party or denomination or, actually, anybody guilty of preying on women and girls.

Yes she would, she just did. Her concern was the reputations of predators by women who accuse, after a long period of time, rather than concern for the physical mental and emotional wellbeing of victims. The law can establish a statute of limitations on prosecutable offenses but the offense itself is a life sentence for some girl or boy.

The sad truth is that the worst things done to us as children take the longest time to get a grip on, as adults. In various ways, especially the fear of not being believed, the victimhood of children has been silenced. Maybe we're seeing an end to this culture of shaming victims and excusing victimizers. I doubt it, though, as long as apologists for predators have their own apologists.

The things you can't believe for an instant about Maggie are nothing compared to the things the victims can't forget. You also need to refocus, lady.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Hmmm...interesting. :think:

A way to get someone to stop running for office by alleging something "naughty" happened decades before, with no evidence but an accuser's naked word, and the "believe the 'victim'" crowd demands the candidate step down (and let their favored Party candidate get the seat virtually unopposed).

No questions about the accuser's (or multiple accusers) motivations for waiting all those years, ignoring past political elections, and with no actual evidence the allegations are true.

I wonder why the accused would dare to keep running, and people would still dare to support him on such damning "evidence."

How disgusting! :roll:

"with no evidence but an accuser's naked word"

This is clearly false. The Washington Post story was much more thorough than just the women's word. They told others about these events years ago and those people also testified. There are some 30 corroborating witnesses. Moreover, it's coming to light that lots of people knew that Moore dated high school girls which contradicts what he said in an interview "not in my character."

If you're a logical person you'll admit that the probability that this is some vast conspiracy of lies is impossibly small.

About the timing, is Moore the only one facing allegations of sexual misconduct now?

Partisanship blinds any ability you have to think rationally.

The evidence is so overwhelming that even diehards like Sean Hannity and Ted Cruz have backed off. All that remain are irrational partisans. I hope that's not who you are.

 

[TurtleDude]

My mother just recently admitted that she was repeatedly raped, starting at 8 years old, by her older sister's husband. She is not a liar either. I wonder if you realize that some crimes never get reported because the attitude you display here is so prevalent.

Conservative christians are a sexual predator's best friend. How shameful that you and others would protect the image of your party and faith at the expense of women and girls.

It's those like you that enable predators to hide amongst the flock.

so your mother is proof of 38 year old allegations that seem to be based on political agendas

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

I’m with you. I’m sick of these years old accusations that ruin people’s lives.

Edit... and since when did DP become, “Here, let me make up something somebody cmight say and damn everyone else for how they might react to it?”

I'm sick of people like Roy Moore using the Bible to condemn people and then being exposed as hypocrites. In the process, they continue to bring disrepute to Christianity. Real Christians are humble and don't behave self-righteously.

You should be sick of men who prey on 14-year-olds, not the fact that their actions have been uncovered years later.

 

[eohrnberger]

Maybe it would have been better for the party to support Strange? As some supported in the primary?

Even if Moore makes it to the Senate, it's not going to go well for him there, nor for the party.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Maybe it would have been better for the party to support Strange? As some supported in the primary?

Even if Moore makes it to the Senate, it's not going to go well for him there, nor for the party.

You can thank Banon for this mess. Even if they back Strange, Moore's supporters will still vote for Moore. You'll split the vote.

 

[eohrnberger]

You can thank Banon for this mess. Even if they back Strange, Moore's supporters will still vote for Moore. You'll split the vote.

I dunno if you can put this entire mess on Bannon.

From what I've hard, Moore had more support in the primary than Strange with, or without Bannon.

While sure Bannon would like to have taken credit for a Moore win, I've heard it described as Bannon clamping onto Moore's leg to make himself seem more important, that he's neither a great visionary nor a political genius, nor any sort of a leader in any sort of movement.

 

[Captain Adverse]

"with no evidence but an accuser's naked word"

This is clearly false. The Washington Post story was much more thorough than just the women's word. They told others about these events years ago and those people also testified. There are some 30 corroborating witnesses. Moreover, it's coming to light that lots of people knew that Moore dated high school girls which contradicts what he said in an interview "not in my character."

If you're a logical person you'll admit that the probability that this is some vast conspiracy of lies is impossibly small.

About the timing, is Moore the only one facing allegations of sexual misconduct now?

Partisanship blinds any ability you have to think rationally.

The evidence is so overwhelming that even diehards like Sean Hannity and Ted Cruz have backed off. All that remain are irrational partisans. I hope that's not who you are.

Wait, did you mean THIS Washington Post story?

Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32.

Two of Corfman’s childhood friends say she told them at the time that she was seeing an older man, and one says Corfman identified the man as Moore. Wells says her daughter told her about the encounter more than a decade later, as Moore was becoming more prominent as a local judge.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.b8595031544c

People remembering something told to them 40 years ago...who all happen to be friends or relations of the accuser. Yet NONE, not even her mother who should have raised some cane about the issue even if it were "more than a decade later"...and yet? "Crickets?"

The problem with such stories is that, even were one to accept them as true, one would still wonder why when all sorts of opportunities to raise this issue while he was a political figure over the last 40 years...ALL the accusers, including this woman, waits until now?

No I think a rational person would prefer to see more evidence than, yes "ONE PERSON'S NAKED WORD."

I don't know Mr. Moore, and it is possible that he was doing what he was accused of by these women. But I still hold that the burden of proof always rests with the accuser, and when it is word against word, the accused always gets the benefit of the doubt.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Yet, to this day, Bill Clinton is model for the modern Leftist. (i. e. the party of sexual deviancy)

Are you saying accepting an offer for a blowie from an adult is morally equivalent to diddling kids? Sad the lengths you'll go to in order to defend pedos.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

No I think a rational person would prefer to see more evidence than, yes "ONE PERSON'S NAKED WORD."

I can't really convince you since you've become irrational. The preponderance of evince is overwhelming. You're simply being willfully blind to the facts.

Here's yet another woman. Are you going to keep saying "one woman's naked word" when that's completely and utterly false?

Moore originally called the whole story “fake news.” But he didn't offer specific denials, while his accusers offered names, places and dates that Post reporters corroborated in two dozen other interviews. Then Moore went on to suggest that some parts of the story could be accurate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-against-roy-moore/?utm_term=.4823493d7041

 

[WCH]

Are you saying accepting an offer for a blowie from an adult is morally equivalent to diddling kids? Sad the lengths you'll go to in order to defend pedos.

It opened the door for a party who staunchly supports any and all sexual deviancy including pedophilia. [see Roman Polanski]

Yes, it gave people from all clothes a new sense of "freedom". It helped finish off any idea of decency for society in general.

 

[nota bene]

Yes she would, she just did. Her concern was the reputations of predators by women who accuse, after a long period of time, rather than concern for the physical mental and emotional wellbeing of victims. The law can establish a statute of limitations on prosecutable offenses but the offense itself is a life sentence for some girl or boy.

The sad truth is that the worst things done to us as children take the longest time to get a grip on, as adults. In various ways, especially the fear of not being believed, the victimhood of children has been silenced. Maybe we're seeing an end to this culture of shaming victims and excusing victimizers. I doubt it, though, as long as apologists for predators have their own apologists.

The things you can't believe for an instant about Maggie are nothing compared to the things the victims can't forget. You also need to refocus, lady.

And you need to dial down your animus. It's at odds with your treacly views of "victims," well-intentioned though I'm sure they are. You certainly woke up on the presumptuous side of the bed yesterday.

You assume that one has to choose between concern for the reputations of others and concern for the well-being of victims. Nobody does. You know nothing about my experiences as a child. I can assure you, however, that NOTHING necessarily has to be a “life sentence” for anybody.

Apologists for apologists for predators? :roll:What victims can’t forget? :roll: How do you know that Maggie herself wasn’t a child victim or that I wasn’t? Answer: You don’t.