Hunter Biden’s Ukraine gas firm pressed Obama administration to end corruption allegations

[danielpalos]

LOLOL. You still haven't figured it out yet. You've been fed a bucket of BS and you ate it up so eagerly. We now know from the prosecutor himself and the lobbying firm hired by Burisma that they were in fact being investigated when Biden had the prosecutor fired. You've just heard the talking heads on the media say 1000s of times that there was no investigation and it has become your reality. When they repeat something so much and go to such efforts trying to convince the viewers, that's usually a good indication you are being served a portion of BS.

What would they have found by investigating that firm?

 

[dixon01767]

What would they have found by investigating that firm?

Corruption in their Russian gas deals to supply gas to Ukraine.

 

[ludin]

Corruption in their Russian gas deals to supply gas to Ukraine.

for all the crying of russia russia russia the democratic party is waste deep in russia.

 

[rocket88]

Hunter Biden’s Ukraine gas firm pressed Obama administration to end corruption allegations, memos show | John Solomon Reports







A few weeks after this plea by Bursima to the US state department, Ukraine spiked the investigation and fired Shokin.

It seems like the friends and relatives of a lot of Democrats just happened to be deeply involved in Bursima in one fashion or another... and they all had access to the Administration.

Did they release the investigation? That's a point here, exactly what kind of influence they got.

Regardless, what Hunter Biden did is not the issue. The issue is did Trump overstep his power in demanding an investigation?

Go ahead and send Hunter Biden to prison if he did anything illegal. "Trump was possibly justified" is NOT a defense.

 

[rocket88]

I wasn't even aware Hunter Biden was running for office. I must have missed the memo. But I guess that all settles it. I will not be voting for Hunter Biden.

If it bothers you that much, don't vote for Joe either. But i have a feeling jmotivator really wasn't considering giving Joe his vote.

 

[dixon01767]

Did they release the investigation? That's a point here, exactly what kind of influence they got.

Regardless, what Hunter Biden did is not the issue. The issue is did Trump overstep his power in demanding an investigation?

Go ahead and send Hunter Biden to prison if he did anything illegal. "Trump was possibly justified" is NOT a defense.

Hunter didn't do anything illegal. Cashing in on your fathers name isn't illegal. Insisting that the prosecutor investigating your sons company be fired with the threat of withholding aid could be illegal but its doubtful if Biden left any record evidencing this intent.

 

[maxparrish]

It wasn't just Burisma. Shokin didn't prosecute ANYONE with any power. NO ONE WAS PROSECUTED when he was PG. When his own prosecutors were caught, literally, with bags of gems and piles of cash, Shokin DID NOTHING. They were clearly tied to him because they had copies of Shokin's passport and other documents related directly to Shokin and NOTHING HAPPENED.

Huh, imagine that! Shokin was quite the go getter against fraud. No wonder Biden wanted him fired, because with that kind of dedication to enforcing the rule of law, Hunter and his boss could have been next on his list! OH NOOOO!!! says the oligarchs!! who joined all the others such as those who bribed his deputies who were NOT-PROSECUTED by Shokin. Not a single one. Zero. None. Nada. Zilch. Perfect record of 0.00%.

The not-prosecution of Burisma and the owner were all part of a consistent, corrupt pattern by Shokin to open all kinds of prosecutions into the oligarchs, then bury them, reassign them, fire people who were actually trying to do their job, he put members of the anti-corruption task force under investigation. This is all extensively documented, and all you have to do is want to find it to confirm all this.

You'll have to explain why essentially the entire international community, and the reformers in Ukraine, bought into Joe Biden's corrupt scheme to protect his son, when Shokin was in fact a white knight, dedicated to cleaning up the corrupt government of Ukraine and bring past powerful crooks to justice, which for some reason he never did - not a single high profile prosecution.

If you'd like to address any of the evidence I've presented, please do so.

More unartful dodging eh?

We are not speaking of Shokin's alleged prior inactions on other cases, we speaking of ACTIONS ON THIS CASE. Whether or not Shokin was opening cases of corruption elsewhere, firing people "doing their jobs" or spending most of his work day playing lawn croquet and drinking vodka martini's, is irrelevant to his conduct in this case - either he opened a criminal investigation against Bursima prior to Biden's quid pro quo threats or he did not. And apparently he had (and which, reputedly, his critics had wanted but, in the case of Biden, oddly only UNTIL Shokin was fired and the investigation derailed).

Nor, by the way, are we speaking of other people's motives (the so-called "international community") for firing Shokin, BECAUSE IN THIS CASE, we are ONLY speaking to the private motives of Joe Biden, which may have been much different in that they were opportunistically self-serving.

You don't have to believe that Shokin was "a white knight" or that the his critics bought into a Biden scheme. You only need to explain the suspect motives of Biden THIS CASE, especially in light of the resulting dropping of Skokin's investigation by Biden's "man"? Hmmmm?

So far you have failed to explain it...choosing to evade rather than explain a clear contradiction and appearance of Biden being self-serving...

IE...quit dodging.

 

[HAL9000]

I did read it. In fact he has stated incorrectly what transpired. Here is a Ukraine story that goes into greater detail. Essentially the issue with the UK was trying to prosecute Zlochevsky for corruption when he was employed as Ukraine's Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources when the Ukraine had not reached the point where they were prosecuting Zlochevsky. At that point the PGO was prosecuting the aco****ing firm used by Bursima on a $180 million fraud.

I mean, think for a second what the Democrats are feeding you as a defense: Joe Biden corruption bashing in the Ukraine with claims of quid pro quo with US funds is OK even when it directly involves his son... but Trump corruption bashing in the Ukraine with no clear demand of quid pro quo with US funding is bad because it might involve Joe Biden? If the root of Trump's crime is a possible quid pro quo using US funds then the obvious root of Trump's interest in the Biden case is the clear boasting by Joe Biden of a quid pro quo deal using US funds.



Well sure, by Biden's own words he had been threaten Ukraine with withholding funding for at least three months before they fired him.

I'll ask again: Since you seem to want to accept Biden's claim that he cleaned up the PGO with his threat to withhold funding, and getting his preferred prosecutor in the position, how did that Bursima case turn out? :roll:

You can't have it both ways. You want to claim Biden had, what, justification (?) for railing against Shokin for sitting on the Bursima case when, in the end, Joe's guy dropped the Bursima case? And through ALL of this ongoing years of corruption there is Hunter Biden working for Bursima.



Actually, you are the one dealing in half truths. You are trying to erase half of the story by hand waving and presenting one facebook post by the US ambassador to Ukraine as if it undoes what Biden admitted to doing.

UAH 180 million is ~$7 million, which is what Burisma settled for. It was alleged that Zlochevsky may have not paid UAH 1 Billion or ~$40 million. Ukraine decided it wasn't worth pursuing him, which is why they settled.

"At some point we have to make it clear whether we want to pursue Mr Zlochevsky for many years in many international jurisdictions, fighting with his professional and expensive lawyers, or to get some refunds now, especially now that our budget needs him more than ever. ", - said in an interview with DW Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Yevhen Yenin.

The aid Trump withheld is many times greater than the expected return from pursuing Zlochevsky.

There are far bigger corruption cases in Ukraine. I mean Firtash, the guy Giuliani, DiGenova, Toensing, Parnas and Fruman were helping to avoid extradition to the U.S., by having Shokin write an affadavit(that he will never face perjury charges for while safe in Ukraine) accusing Biden, has a 125 million Euro bail in Austria(where he is under house arrest), in part for paying an $18.5 million bribe.

 

[dixon01767]

It wasn't just Burisma. Shokin didn't prosecute ANYONE with any power. NO ONE WAS PROSECUTED when he was PG. When his own prosecutors were caught, literally, with bags of gems and piles of cash, Shokin DID NOTHING. They were clearly tied to him because they had copies of Shokin's passport and other documents related directly to Shokin and NOTHING HAPPENED..

And it wasn't until the prosecutor had the founder of Burisma home raided AND THEN he became a problem for Biden.

 

[JasperL]

And it wasn't until the prosecutor had the founder of Burisma home raided AND THEN he became a problem for Biden.

Read the OP. The raid was in Feb 2016. Biden made his infamous demand in Dec 2015, which is before Feb 2016.

 

[Captain America]

If it bothers you that much, don't vote for Joe either. But i have a feeling jmotivator really wasn't considering giving Joe his vote.

I'm cool with Joe. I hope he gets the nomination.

 

[JasperL]

More unartful dodging eh?

We are not speaking of Shokin's alleged prior inactions on other cases, we speaking of ACTIONS ON THIS CASE. Whether or not Shokin was opening cases of corruption elsewhere, firing people "doing their jobs" or spending most of his work day playing lawn croquet and drinking vodka martini's, is irrelevant to his conduct in this case - either he opened a criminal investigation against Bursima prior to Biden's quid pro quo threats or he did not. And apparently he had (and which, reputedly, his critics had wanted but, in the case of Biden, oddly only UNTIL Shokin was fired and the investigation derailed).

No, he had not. That's the part of the timeline the CT propagandists and lying hacks just cannot get around. There's simply no evidence that the investigation was anything other than deader than dead when Biden made his demand in Dec. 2015. You can't cite any evidence otherwise.

Furthermore the only possible reason Joe Biden would go to the wall to prevent an investigation is if Hunter Biden was somehow at risk and no one has even come up with a possible crime that Hunter MIGHT HAVE committed. The open investigations into Burisma and the owner predated, happened before, Hunter was named to the BOD.

Nor, by the way, are we speaking of other people's motives (the so-called "international community") for firing Shokin, BECAUSE IN THIS CASE, we are ONLY speaking to the private motives of Joe Biden, which may have been much different in that they were opportunistically self-serving.

You don't have to believe that Shokin was "a white knight" or that the his critics bought into a Biden scheme. You only need to explain the suspect motives of Biden THIS CASE, especially in light of the resulting dropping of Skokin's investigation by Biden's "man"? Hmmmm?

The fact that Shokin was a corrupt protector of the thugs, was called out by virtually everyone involved not benefitting from his not-doing his job, points to the actual motives of the United States, including the State dept, the Ukraine ambassador, the IMF, and people IN UKRAINE, reformers in Ukraine, people we were trying to stand up as the new face of Ukraine.

So if you want to allege that Biden's motives were corrupt - and you can't even make a fact based argument for that - you also cannot ignore the many legitimate reasons virtually everyone wanted Shokin out on his ass. The obvious conclusion is Joe Biden pushing an agenda to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor wasn't corrupt at all - just the opposite.

So far you have failed to explain it...choosing to evade rather than explain a clear contradiction and appearance of Biden being self-serving...

IE...quit dodging.

I'm not dodging. I've posted articles from Bloomberg among others who report viewing documents, and talking with prosecutors in the PGO, that indicated the Burisma stuff was dead throughout all of 2015. I'd post them again, but you can find them easily if you're interested. The OP shows that Biden made his demand in Dec. 2015. The raid on Burisma's owner was in Feb 2016, after Shokin had been put on notice his sorry ass was just about to get fired. Etc.

 

[dixon01767]

No, he had not. That's the part of the timeline the CT propagandists and lying hacks just cannot get around. There's simply no evidence that the investigation was anything other than deader than dead when Biden made his demand in Dec. 2015. You can't cite any evidence otherwise. .

Well, there is the prosecutor who says he was then currently investigating Burisma and it is you who cant cite any evidence otherwise.

 

[MTAtech]

Hunter Biden’s Ukraine gas firm pressed Obama administration to end corruption allegations, memos show | John Solomon Reports







A few weeks after this plea by Bursima (sic) to the US state department, Ukraine spiked the investigation and fired Shokin.

It seems like the friends and relatives of a lot of Democrats just happened to be deeply involved in Bursima (sic) in one fashion or another... and they all had access to the Administration.

You mean a few weeks after this plea by Burisma to the US state department, Ukraine spiked the investigation and fired Shokin, the prosecutor who wasn't prosecuting any corruption cases?

What's particularly laughable is that you make it sound like Hunter Biden was running Bursima. He wasn't and didn't take steps to intercede with his father. Noted that you use "The John Solomon Report" as your source, which has also been accused of magnifying small scandals and creating fake controversy and advancing conspiracy theories about wrong-doing involving Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden and Ukraine.

The New York Times debunked the Solomon conspiracy theories: Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine - The New York Times

Vice President Biden was overseeing American policy toward Ukraine at the time, and he did push for the removal of the country’s top prosecutor, who was seen as corrupt or ineffectual by the United States and Western European governments. But there is no evidence he did so to benefit Hunter Biden or the oligarch who owns Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky.

This should be the end of story for the conspiracy theory pushed by the craven Trump cult.

 

[JasperL]

Well, there is the prosecutor who says he was then currently investigating Burisma and it is you who cant cite any evidence otherwise.

I guess you are referring to Shokin, the corrupt guy that just for example prevented the prosecution of his minions in his office tied to Shokin who got caught with bags of cash and gems. I don't care what self-serving story that crook tells.

See the rest of my post that you snipped for the details.

 

[jmotivator]

You mean a few weeks after this plea by Burisma to the US state department, Ukraine spiked the investigation and fired Shokin, the prosecutor who wasn't prosecuting any corruption cases?

What's particularly laughable is that you make it sound like Hunter Biden was running Bursima. He wasn't and didn't take steps to intercede with his father. Noted that you use "The John Solomon Report" as your source, which has also been accused of magnifying small scandals and creating fake controversy and advancing conspiracy theories about wrong-doing involving Joe Biden, his son Hunter Biden and Ukraine.

The New York Times debunked the Solomon conspiracy theories: Debunking 4 Viral Rumors About the Bidens and Ukraine - The New York Times



This should be the end of story for the conspiracy theory pushed by the craven Trump cult.

No, I am not making it sound like Hunter Biden is running Burisma, I am making it sound like the Bidens had a vested interest in engaging in corrupt Ukrainian politics through a quid pro quo using US funds ... which they did.


Here, let me help you out: Donald Trump brags on camera that he specifically got the Russian government to kill an investigation into a Russian construction company that employed Don Jr. on the board by threatening the withholding of US funds...

... what would your posts look like if that were the story? :lol:

 

[What if...?]

From the story:


Your narrative is false. Care to rephrase?

That oligarch was the target of the original investigation. And the investigation of him preceded biden joining the board.

But I'm sure you know that and are just propagating the narrative.

 

[What if...?]

Biden's threat to withhold funding unless the investigation was spiked was in December 2015 and the investigation was then shelved, two months later Bursima contacted the State Department requesting help getting investigation closed, dropping Hunter Biden's name in the request, and a few weeks later Shokin was fired and the investigation was closed.

Compare that to what you think you are reading between the lines in the Whistleblower complaint... AND consider that the Whistleblower worked with Biden when he suddenly got worried about Trump's interest in the Biden-Bursima connection.

Face it, like biting on the Russian propaganda campaign in the Steele Dossier, once again you have thrown in with the actual corrupt party in a manufactured scandal.

Manufactured by the entire intelligence community.

That's your problem.

Russian interference happened. Using methods used by multi-billion dollar industries all over the world.

They wouldn't he getting that money if this **** didn't work.

Mueller being unable to find enough evidence that the campaign was working with them does not mean it didn't happen. The interference, not the "collusion".

Y'all just better hope you don't run afould of "the good man, honest and true" trope humans have.

You have career officials who served administrations both republican AND democrat.

Better hope you can find a DUI or extramarital affair or this tack could blow up in your faces.

 

[What if...?]

The threat was to withhold funding unless a corrupt prosecutor was fired. Quit lying.

It's all they have.

Look out for "It was all Giuliani. Trump knew nothing about it".,

That narrative is being floated.

 

[TomFitz]

I saw an interesting take on this manufactured scandal... essentially the thought was that this narrative was built by the whistleblower and the parade of Democrat informants to gather whistleblower protection before the Russia investigation report is released. The theory is that the assumed whistleblower will also be named as a leak source to the media of Trump/Russia collusion lies since he worked for Brennan.

You also have to love how oblivious the media is. The Washington post printed a glowing defense of Vindman saying that he came forward when he became worried that Trump's discussions with the Ukrainian president might "undermine US foreign policy" ... let that nonsense sink in.

That seems to be the theory being pushed by Trumpster media, at least,

No one is cowering in dread over the much ballyhooed Horowitz Report.

You might think otherwise.

If you do, change the channel!

 

[TomFitz]

It's all they have.

Look out for "It was all Giuliani. Trump knew nothing about it".,

That narrative is being floated.

It looks like any fall guy will do!

Lindsey Graham said the Sondland was secretly working for the opposition. No facts, no evidence.

Guliani is a lone operator! Well, the Russians were paying him........

Mulvanney is in chains in a Trump dungeon somewhere, so he won’t be appearing!

Let see what other nonsense they can throw at the wall today!

 

[danielpalos]

Hunter Biden’s Ukraine gas firm pressed Obama administration to end corruption allegations, memos show | John Solomon Reports







A few weeks after this plea by Bursima to the US state department, Ukraine spiked the investigation and fired Shokin.

It seems like the friends and relatives of a lot of Democrats just happened to be deeply involved in Bursima in one fashion or another... and they all had access to the Administration.

Why not, better capital solutions at lower capital cost as a member of the Board?

 

[ocean515]

No, I am not making it sound like Hunter Biden is running Burisma, I am making it sound like the Bidens had a vested interest in engaging in corrupt Ukrainian politics through a quid pro quo using US funds ... which they did.


Here, let me help you out: Donald Trump brags on camera that he specifically got the Russian government to kill an investigation into a Russian construction company that employed Don Jr. on the board by threatening the withholding of US funds...

... what would your posts look like if that were the story? :lol:

Further, George Kent, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State stationed in Ukraine had this to say during sworn testimony before Schiff's coup court:

From the released transcript:

A: When I was the first time I was'in Ukraine as acting deputy chief of mission in the period of mjd-January to mid-February 2015, subsequent to me going into the deputy prosecutor general on February 3rd and demanding who took the bribe and how much was it to shut the case against Zlochevsky I became aware that Hunter Biden was on the board. I did not know that at the time.

And when I was on a call with somebody on the Vice President's staff and I cannot recall who it was, just briefing on what was happening into Ukraine I raised my concerns that I had heard that Hunter Biden was on the board of a company owned by somebody that the U.S. Government had spent money trying to get tens of miltions of dollars back and that could create the perception of a conflict of interest.

Q: And what did the person on the other end of the line tell you?

A: The message that I remember hearing back was that the Vice President's son Beau was dying of cancer and that there was no further bandwidth to deal with family related issues at that time.


Q: Was that pretty much the end of it?

A That was the end of that conversation.

Q: Okay. That was in mid-2015?​

 

[OpportunityCost]

That oligarch was the target of the original investigation. And the investigation of him preceded biden joining the board.

But I'm sure you know that and are just propagating the narrative.

But, we see evidence he was investigating Burisma. Yet, you don't address that at all. Please do so.

 

[jmotivator]

Manufactured by the entire intelligence community.

That's your problem.

Russian interference happened. Using methods used by multi-billion dollar industries all over the world.

They wouldn't he getting that money if this **** didn't work.

Mueller being unable to find enough evidence that the campaign was working with them does not mean it didn't happen. The interference, not the "collusion".

Y'all just better hope you don't run afould of "the good man, honest and true" trope humans have.

You have career officials who served administrations both republican AND democrat.

Better hope you can find a DUI or extramarital affair or this tack could blow up in your faces.

It absolutely is manufactured by the Inteligence community. The more we learn about the Whistleblower the more clear that accusation is becoming.

We have the lawyer for the Whistleblower bow bragging in 2017 of his CIA clients building the coup...

The Whistleblower worked with Joe Biden... and Adam Schiff... and John Brennan. Gee, sounds like a conspiracy to me!

This too will crumble like a house of cards, better start working on your excuses for supporting it.