Human sin

[Junzhuo Gu]

Human sin
God created man, and at the same time gave us the right to occupy and manage the mountains and rivers, animals and plants, and the private ownership of our property, so that we can have the housing land and food to live on. God gives us private rights, showing God's love. However, due to the excessive greed of mankind, we have houses ourselves, and we still have cravings for other people's houses; we have wives, and we have craving others' wives. When we exceed the limits of reasonable possession and possession, we fall into sin. Sin comes from this. God loves us and empowers us, and we fall into sin because of greed and we don’t know how to control ourselves. Therefore, it is not God's intention that God created humans and let humans fall into sin.
So naturally there is a view that all sins of humanity originate from private rights. On the surface, it seems that our sins are rooted in private rights .
Actually such a view is a fundamental error. God does not create useless things, and God does not give us meaningless, but will cause us to fall into sin. As mentioned earlier, private ownership is a prerequisite for each of us to live in dignity. Of course we can survive without private rights, but we will have no dignity and can only survive as slaves. God loves us, so we are given private rights to ensure that we live in dignity to show the love of God.
Therefore, in countries where private rights are generally severely violated, the land is full of sin. Marxism denies private rights, so all socialist countries generally violate private rights; Marxism advertises absolute equality and freedom, while socialist countries are highly hierarchical and authoritarian societies, full of predatory, oppressive, bloody, and violent. The painful lesson of human society has fully proved that private rights are the most important human rights that God has given us. Without protecting private rights, we humans must fall into huge sins.
The sin of mankind is not the original intention of the Creator, but the uncontrolled greed of mankind causes us to fall into sin; if we can limit the rights God has given us to a reasonable range, while we obtain our own rights, we respect the rights of others, we Can get rid of sin. However, how difficult it is to achieve this. Without the redemption of Jesus Christ, the greedy nature of human beings from animals must inevitably become the master of the soul, and thus fall into sin.
Gu Junzhuo 2019-4-28

 

[noonereal]

omg

good luck to you

 

[OrphanSlug]

FFS, have a drink or two and get laid already.

Why are we in the US Constitution area of the forums with this dribble?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

when we exceed the limits of reasonable possession and possession, we fall into sin. Sin comes from this. God loves us and empowers us, and we fall into sin because of greed and we don’t know how to control ourselves.

example a


example b

 

[MamboDervish]

Human sin
God created man, and at the same time gave us the right to occupy and manage the mountains and rivers, animals and plants, and the private ownership of our property, so that we can have the housing land and food to live on. God gives us private rights, showing God's love. However, due to the excessive greed of mankind, we have houses ourselves, and we still have cravings for other people's houses; we have wives, and we have craving others' wives. When we exceed the limits of reasonable possession and possession, we fall into sin. Sin comes from this. God loves us and empowers us, and we fall into sin because of greed and we don’t know how to control ourselves. Therefore, it is not God's intention that God created humans and let humans fall into sin.
So naturally there is a view that all sins of humanity originate from private rights. On the surface, it seems that our sins are rooted in private rights .
Actually such a view is a fundamental error. God does not create useless things, and God does not give us meaningless, but will cause us to fall into sin. As mentioned earlier, private ownership is a prerequisite for each of us to live in dignity. Of course we can survive without private rights, but we will have no dignity and can only survive as slaves. God loves us, so we are given private rights to ensure that we live in dignity to show the love of God.
Therefore, in countries where private rights are generally severely violated, the land is full of sin. Marxism denies private rights, so all socialist countries generally violate private rights; Marxism advertises absolute equality and freedom, while socialist countries are highly hierarchical and authoritarian societies, full of predatory, oppressive, bloody, and violent. The painful lesson of human society has fully proved that private rights are the most important human rights that God has given us. Without protecting private rights, we humans must fall into huge sins.
The sin of mankind is not the original intention of the Creator, but the uncontrolled greed of mankind causes us to fall into sin; if we can limit the rights God has given us to a reasonable range, while we obtain our own rights, we respect the rights of others, we Can get rid of sin. However, how difficult it is to achieve this. Without the redemption of Jesus Christ, the greedy nature of human beings from animals must inevitably become the master of the soul, and thus fall into sin.
Gu Junzhuo 2019-4-28

Your god hasn't even given you the sense to know you are posting in the wrong forum. I wouldn't give him too much credit.

 

[Rich2018]

Human sin
God created man, and at the same time gave us the right to occupy and manage the mountains and rivers, animals and plants, and the private ownership of our property, so that we can have the housing land and food to live on. God gives us private rights, showing God's love. However, due to the excessive greed of mankind, we have houses ourselves, and we still have cravings for other people's houses; we have wives, and we have craving others' wives. When we exceed the limits of reasonable possession and possession, we fall into sin. Sin comes from this. God loves us and empowers us, and we fall into sin because of greed and we don’t know how to control ourselves. Therefore, it is not God's intention that God created humans and let humans fall into sin.
So naturally there is a view that all sins of humanity originate from private rights. On the surface, it seems that our sins are rooted in private rights .
Actually such a view is a fundamental error. God does not create useless things, and God does not give us meaningless, but will cause us to fall into sin. As mentioned earlier, private ownership is a prerequisite for each of us to live in dignity. Of course we can survive without private rights, but we will have no dignity and can only survive as slaves. God loves us, so we are given private rights to ensure that we live in dignity to show the love of God.
Therefore, in countries where private rights are generally severely violated, the land is full of sin. Marxism denies private rights, so all socialist countries generally violate private rights; Marxism advertises absolute equality and freedom, while socialist countries are highly hierarchical and authoritarian societies, full of predatory, oppressive, bloody, and violent. The painful lesson of human society has fully proved that private rights are the most important human rights that God has given us. Without protecting private rights, we humans must fall into huge sins.
The sin of mankind is not the original intention of the Creator, but the uncontrolled greed of mankind causes us to fall into sin; if we can limit the rights God has given us to a reasonable range, while we obtain our own rights, we respect the rights of others, we Can get rid of sin. However, how difficult it is to achieve this. Without the redemption of Jesus Christ, the greedy nature of human beings from animals must inevitably become the master of the soul, and thus fall into sin.
Gu Junzhuo 2019-4-28

Wrong section

The Skepticism section is that way ------------------>

 

[Junzhuo Gu]

Thank you friend.

 

[Junzhuo Gu]

FFS, have a drink or two and get laid already.

Why are we in the US Constitution area of the forums with this dribble?

The fundamental of the Constitution is the protection of human rights, and private rights are the core human rights. The core of the article discussion is the issue of private rights

 

[Rich2018]

The fundamental of the Constitution is the protection of human rights, and private rights are the core human rights. The core of the article discussion is the issue of private rights

No, you're thinking about the amendments in the Bill of Rights.

 

[Junzhuo Gu]

No, you're thinking about the amendments in the Bill of Rights.

The American Declaration of Independence stated at the beginning:


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that they are among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ”

 

[Rich2018]

The American Declaration of Independence stated at the beginning:


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that they are among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ”

But you mentioned the Constitution

The Declaration of Independence is not the Constitution.

 

[Junzhuo Gu]

I am sorry. It is my mistake.
At the beginning of the constitution：

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Although there is no “right” word in the beginning of the US Constitution. But almost none of the content at the beginning leaves the right. For example, justice, welfare, and freedom are all rights. Without the protection of individual rights, justice, welfare and freedom cannot be discussed.
Limiting the rights of the government, the purpose itself is to protect the rights of citizens

 

[Rich2018]

I am sorry. It is my mistake.
At the beginning of the constitution：

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Although there is no “right” word in the beginning of the US Constitution. But almost none of the content at the beginning leaves the right. For example, justice, welfare, and freedom are all rights. Without the protection of individual rights, justice, welfare and freedom cannot be discussed.
Limiting the rights of the government, the purpose itself is to protect the rights of citizens

The government has no "rights" only duties

Duties include providing welfare and defense for its people

It also needs to do this is a just way


There is no mention of god.

 

[Blackstone]

The government has no "rights" only duties

Duties include providing welfare and defense for its people

Wrong. The preamble mentions that the purpose of establishing the Constitution included promoting the "general welfare", which meant well-being, not the common usage of "welfare" as government-provided financial support. The government promotes the general welfare of the country by safeguarding the liberty of its citizens, not by violating those God-given rights in order to "provide" welfare.

 

[Rich2018]

Wrong. The preamble mentions that the purpose of establishing the Constitution included promoting the "general welfare", which meant well-being, not the common usage of "welfare" as government-provided financial support. The government promotes the general welfare of the country by safeguarding the liberty of its citizens, not by violating those God-given rights in order to "provide" welfare.

Wrong

The duties of the government including providing welfare and defense for its people.


The founders may not have thought that welfare (as we know it today) was worthwhile, fortunately we've moved on somewhat since then
The founders didn't foresee a nation of 330+ million with thousands living in poverty on the streets and a government that thinks $15 billion is better spent on a new aircraft carrier for the navy that help its own people survive.

 

[soylentgreen]

The American Declaration of Independence stated at the beginning:


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that they are among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ”

The doi is not a legal binding article. Nor is it a philosophical treatise. Basically it is just an overly verbose dear john letter to george.

 

[Rich2018]

The doi is not a legal binding article. Nor is it a philosophical treatise. Basically it is just an overly verbose dear john letter to george.

And only 56 random people signed it.

 

[soylentgreen]

And only 56 random people signed it.

Because not one of them was thinking about the influence and power it would give them.

 

[Rich2018]

Because not one of them was thinking about the influence and power it would give them.

Oh I think they hoped it would ... and they were right.

 

[Lisa]

Human sin
God created man, and at the same time gave us the right to occupy and manage the mountains and rivers, animals and plants, and the private ownership of our property, so that we can have the housing land and food to live on. God gives us private rights, showing God's love. However, due to the excessive greed of mankind, we have houses ourselves, and we still have cravings for other people's houses; we have wives, and we have craving others' wives. When we exceed the limits of reasonable possession and possession, we fall into sin. Sin comes from this. God loves us and empowers us, and we fall into sin because of greed and we don’t know how to control ourselves. Therefore, it is not God's intention that God created humans and let humans fall into sin.
So naturally there is a view that all sins of humanity originate from private rights. On the surface, it seems that our sins are rooted in private rights .
Actually such a view is a fundamental error. God does not create useless things, and God does not give us meaningless, but will cause us to fall into sin. As mentioned earlier, private ownership is a prerequisite for each of us to live in dignity. Of course we can survive without private rights, but we will have no dignity and can only survive as slaves. God loves us, so we are given private rights to ensure that we live in dignity to show the love of God.
Therefore, in countries where private rights are generally severely violated, the land is full of sin. Marxism denies private rights, so all socialist countries generally violate private rights; Marxism advertises absolute equality and freedom, while socialist countries are highly hierarchical and authoritarian societies, full of predatory, oppressive, bloody, and violent. The painful lesson of human society has fully proved that private rights are the most important human rights that God has given us. Without protecting private rights, we humans must fall into huge sins.
The sin of mankind is not the original intention of the Creator, but the uncontrolled greed of mankind causes us to fall into sin; if we can limit the rights God has given us to a reasonable range, while we obtain our own rights, we respect the rights of others, we Can get rid of sin. However, how difficult it is to achieve this. Without the redemption of Jesus Christ, the greedy nature of human beings from animals must inevitably become the master of the soul, and thus fall into sin.
Gu Junzhuo 2019-4-28

God is a myth. Sin is an imaginary disease that was created so they could diagnose with the disease of religious belief. Stop being such as mindless sap.

 

[Junzhuo Gu]

God is a myth. Sin is an imaginary disease that was created so they could diagnose with the disease of religious belief. Stop being such as mindless sap.

The existence of God
To discuss whether God exists, we must first focus on the real world. The Bible says that this world was created by God, then we should investigate from this world itself to see if we can discover the clues of God’s creation of the world.
1. Any existing things follow certain principles, the principles are occurring, developing, evolving, and dying, thus presenting a specially arranged order. Because they generally follow certain principles and principles, they must show a certain order, not disorder.
We study physics, and we know that things must obey the principles of physics.
Structures similar to our solar system and the Milky Way are ubiquitous in the universe. The universe is composed of countless celestial structures similar to our solar system and the Milky Way.
From the birth of life on our planet, the lower life evolved higher life step by step, until the emergence of human beings. All this is so beautiful and orderly, following the blueprint of evolution. This order is a continuation of the orderly evolution of the universe, and is a further embodiment of this supreme force's rational establishment of the cosmic order.
A specific science is to study and determine the internal laws of the subject, and the internal principles and principles of its evolution; therefore, science actually understands the actions of God from a specific aspect. Of course, the scientist may think that he is studying science itself, not about God.

2. Any principle is independent of the existing things destined to perish.
Any existing thing is destined to perish, and the extinction of any thing will not affect the change or failure of the principle and principle throughout the evolution of the thing. This itself shows the existence of the principle and principle, which is independent of things and precedes. The existence of real things.
The principles of physics will not cease to function because of the demise of a certain star; I think that even if the existing universe dies, the newly born universe must follow the principles of physics; just as any species dies, it will not affect The inherent principles of life evolution have the same effect.
The world was created by God, and it cannot be fully proved by logical reasoning, nor can anyone see the process of God’s creation of the world; but we can clearly know that the universe is evolving, the solar system is evolving, and the earth is evolving, and eventually die out . When you look up at the starry sky, what you see is not a fixed momentary scene. Suppose your field of vision can be arbitrarily galloped with your thoughts. What you see is the Cowherd star 16 years ago, because the light from the Cowherd star It takes 16 years to reach the earth; the black hole in the photos that humans have successfully photographed recently, what we see is its image 55 million years ago, and what is the state of it at this moment? We can't know it in an intuitive way. In the process of our brief understanding of the universe, humans have been able to observe the various events that have occurred during the long process of the evolution of the universe. For example, humans have quite clearly understood that stars like the sun start from birth and go through their prime. , The process of gradual aging and eventual demise.
Obviously there should be something that will not perish. In formulating these principles and principles, the extinction of anything will not affect the effectiveness of these principles and principles at all, because the formulation of these principles and principles does not belong to anything that is destined to perish. .
3. Therefore, there must be an eternal existence that has formulated principles and principles; or this eternal existence is the principle itself.
So God is the way, truth, authority, life.
All things in the real world have a day of extinction, including the universe itself. So there must be an eternal thing that transcends all existing things, in formulating principles and principles, in creating everything, and in dominating the world; or this eternal thing itself is embodied as principle principles, which itself is principle principles.
Therefore, in addition to all things destined to perish, there must be an eternal thing, and it will formulate the principles and principles that will always play a role. We call this eternal existence God; in these principles and principles, God is reflected the presence. As the Bible says: Heaven and earth are going to go away, and my words will last forever. We do follow the principles and principles all the time, so God works all the time .

 

[Junzhuo Gu]

4. So God is an eternal existence, free and eternal. The emergence and evolution of the real world embodies the will of God. God creates the world and dominates the world.

5. God's actions must be easy to detect
We say that God is omnipresent and omnipotent, then God’s actions must be manifested and easily perceivable, and should not be perceived by only a few prophets, so God’s actions must be universal phenomenon. The difference between ordinary people and prophets is that ordinary people know a certain act, not think it is from the hand of God, and the prophet can realize the universality and omnipotence of God from this act.
Let us know this loving father who created us. He love us because he creates us; just as our parents raise us, they love us.


2019-6-11 Gu Junzhuo

 

[zyzygy]

Human sin
God created man, and at the same time gave us the right to occupy and manage the mountains and rivers, animals and plants, and the private ownership of our property, so that we can have the housing land and food to live on. God gives us private rights, showing God's love. However, due to the excessive greed of mankind, we have houses ourselves, and we still have cravings for other people's houses; we have wives, and we have craving others' wives. When we exceed the limits of reasonable possession and possession, we fall into sin. Sin comes from this. God loves us and empowers us, and we fall into sin because of greed and we don’t know how to control ourselves. Therefore, it is not God's intention that God created humans and let humans fall into sin.
So naturally there is a view that all sins of humanity originate from private rights. On the surface, it seems that our sins are rooted in private rights .
Actually such a view is a fundamental error. God does not create useless things, and God does not give us meaningless, but will cause us to fall into sin. As mentioned earlier, private ownership is a prerequisite for each of us to live in dignity. Of course we can survive without private rights, but we will have no dignity and can only survive as slaves. God loves us, so we are given private rights to ensure that we live in dignity to show the love of God.
Therefore, in countries where private rights are generally severely violated, the land is full of sin. Marxism denies private rights, so all socialist countries generally violate private rights; Marxism advertises absolute equality and freedom, while socialist countries are highly hierarchical and authoritarian societies, full of predatory, oppressive, bloody, and violent. The painful lesson of human society has fully proved that private rights are the most important human rights that God has given us. Without protecting private rights, we humans must fall into huge sins.
The sin of mankind is not the original intention of the Creator, but the uncontrolled greed of mankind causes us to fall into sin; if we can limit the rights God has given us to a reasonable range, while we obtain our own rights, we respect the rights of others, we Can get rid of sin. However, how difficult it is to achieve this. Without the redemption of Jesus Christ, the greedy nature of human beings from animals must inevitably become the master of the soul, and thus fall into sin.
Gu Junzhuo 2019-4-28

First, prove that this god exists.

 

[zyzygy]

The existence of God
To discuss whether God exists, we must first focus on the real world. The Bible says that this world was created by God, then we should investigate from this world itself to see if we can discover the clues of God’s creation of the world.
1. Any existing things follow certain principles, the principles are occurring, developing, evolving, and dying, thus presenting a specially arranged order. Because they generally follow certain principles and principles, they must show a certain order, not disorder.
We study physics, and we know that things must obey the principles of physics.
Structures similar to our solar system and the Milky Way are ubiquitous in the universe. The universe is composed of countless celestial structures similar to our solar system and the Milky Way.
From the birth of life on our planet, the lower life evolved higher life step by step, until the emergence of human beings. All this is so beautiful and orderly, following the blueprint of evolution. This order is a continuation of the orderly evolution of the universe, and is a further embodiment of this supreme force's rational establishment of the cosmic order.
A specific science is to study and determine the internal laws of the subject, and the internal principles and principles of its evolution; therefore, science actually understands the actions of God from a specific aspect. Of course, the scientist may think that he is studying science itself, not about God.

2. Any principle is independent of the existing things destined to perish.
Any existing thing is destined to perish, and the extinction of any thing will not affect the change or failure of the principle and principle throughout the evolution of the thing. This itself shows the existence of the principle and principle, which is independent of things and precedes. The existence of real things.
The principles of physics will not cease to function because of the demise of a certain star; I think that even if the existing universe dies, the newly born universe must follow the principles of physics; just as any species dies, it will not affect The inherent principles of life evolution have the same effect.
The world was created by God, and it cannot be fully proved by logical reasoning, nor can anyone see the process of God’s creation of the world; but we can clearly know that the universe is evolving, the solar system is evolving, and the earth is evolving, and eventually die out . When you look up at the starry sky, what you see is not a fixed momentary scene. Suppose your field of vision can be arbitrarily galloped with your thoughts. What you see is the Cowherd star 16 years ago, because the light from the Cowherd star It takes 16 years to reach the earth; the black hole in the photos that humans have successfully photographed recently, what we see is its image 55 million years ago, and what is the state of it at this moment? We can't know it in an intuitive way. In the process of our brief understanding of the universe, humans have been able to observe the various events that have occurred during the long process of the evolution of the universe. For example, humans have quite clearly understood that stars like the sun start from birth and go through their prime. , The process of gradual aging and eventual demise.
Obviously there should be something that will not perish. In formulating these principles and principles, the extinction of anything will not affect the effectiveness of these principles and principles at all, because the formulation of these principles and principles does not belong to anything that is destined to perish. .
3. Therefore, there must be an eternal existence that has formulated principles and principles; or this eternal existence is the principle itself.
So God is the way, truth, authority, life.
All things in the real world have a day of extinction, including the universe itself. So there must be an eternal thing that transcends all existing things, in formulating principles and principles, in creating everything, and in dominating the world; or this eternal thing itself is embodied as principle principles, which itself is principle principles.
Therefore, in addition to all things destined to perish, there must be an eternal thing, and it will formulate the principles and principles that will always play a role. We call this eternal existence God; in these principles and principles, God is reflected the presence. As the Bible says: Heaven and earth are going to go away, and my words will last forever. We do follow the principles and principles all the time, so God works all the time .

Drivel.

 

[Rich2018]

1. Any existing things follow certain principles, the principles are occurring, developing, evolving, and dying, thus presenting a specially arranged order. Because they generally follow certain principles and principles, they must show a certain order, not disorder.

What "principles" ?
You mentioned physics - how do the laws of physics apply to evolution ?
What do you mean by "showing order" ?

From the birth of life on our planet, the lower life evolved higher life step by step, until the emergence of human beings. All this is so beautiful and orderly, following the blueprint of evolution. This order is a continuation of the orderly evolution of the universe, and is a further embodiment of this supreme force's rational establishment of the cosmic order.

How is the evolution of humans (or any species) orderly in any way ?
Evolution happened in short bursts...the driving force is adaption to change not some ordered path of progression
So a species can exist unaltered for millions of years and then change almost beyond all recognition inside a few millennia

And you can't know if there's life outside the Earth let alone evolution

science actually understands the actions of God from a specific aspect. Of course, the scientist may think that he is studying science itself, not about God.

What ?
A scientist studies the world as we find it, not god. A priest might claim to know the truth, a scientist will never claim this

We know life on Earth evolved over billions of years and wasn't created 6,000 that many Christians, studying your god, claim to be the case

Any existing thing is destined to perish, and the extinction of any thing will not affect the change or failure of the principle and principle throughout the evolution of the thing. This itself shows the existence of the principle and principle, which is independent of things and precedes. The existence of real things.

This makes absolutely no sense
Give an example of a principle that's independent of real things and so destined to perish

I think that even if the existing universe dies, the newly born universe must follow the principles of physics; just as any species dies, it will not affect The inherent principles of life evolution have the same effect.

So if one species dies, it won't affect the evolution of another species ?

Are you familiar with the phrase "food chain" ?

eg: take away all the mosquitoes and what happens to the bats that feed on them ?
Often called the balance of nature
Can a lion be made to eat grass if there wasn't enough bison ?

The world was created by God, and it cannot be fully proved by logical reasoning....

It just cannot be proved period

but we can clearly know that the universe is evolving, the solar system is evolving, and the earth is evolving, and eventually die out...

So the universe is evolving - Christians would say it was created and is eternal
You have no proof of god here

Obviously there should be something that will not perish. quote]

Why "obviously" ?

there must be an eternal existence that has formulated principles and principles; or this eternal existence is the principle itself.

Why ?

Matter has natural properties, why must you assume the the laws of physics were "invented" by a god an are not just a natural property of matter ?

So God is the way, truth, authority, life...

So there is zero proof of god

Those that believe in a god or gods are doing so based on faith, not evidence

All things in the real world have a day of extinction, including the universe itself. So there must be an eternal thing that transcends all existing things....

Why ?
The universe might end one day....doesn't that if anything prove that it wasn't designed for life ?

The universe is chaos, not structured uniformity

Ask yourself, if there were no god, what would the universe look like ?

So God is an eternal existence, free and eternal.

Prove god exists first

We say that God is omnipresent and omnipotent, then God’s actions must be manifested and easily perceivable...

OK, give an example of an action you perceive as being attributed to god and prove that it is.