How will history judge Donald Trump as President ?

[code1211]

Emoluments are boosting his income daily. Where did his last salary go to? Did he claim tax relief on his donation?

Link?

 

[code1211]

Now THAT's what i call no-holds-barred TDS!

So your response is that you hate him.

Seems to be the response around here quite often.

Do you even know WHY you hate him?

 

[markjs]

So your response is that you hate him.

Seems to be the response around here quite often.

Do you even know WHY you hate him?

Why do you love him?

I know, supposedly he kept his promises. He didn't, but he duped you into thinking so. You're easily duped, obviously, why is that?

 

[code1211]

Fred carried Donald on his back into the 90’s, bailing him out from multiple disastrous business choices. Realistically, it is reasonable to believe that had Fred not saved his son, Donald would have been broke long ago. Could Donald possibly have started over on his own and be where is now? Maybe yes, maybe no. Touting Trump’s so-called expertise in the business world as a resume filler is dishonest without looking at his entire history.


I applaud Trump’s desire/efforts to correct the failings of last administrations in taking China to task for all of it's underhanded tactics and outright theft. I question his approach though. So far it hasn’t helped. Time will tell, and he’ll own the results either way.


Partisan hyperbole.


Somebody who ostensibly knows as much as Trump does about business ought to have known better than to make promises he knew he wouldn’t keep then, right?

Regardless of how it happened, Trump has a bunch more money from his private dealings than me. If part of that was due to listening to his mentor, that does not sound like a radical departure from the norm. I know how hard it is to gain money and how easy it is to lose it. anyone who keeps that much money is doing many more things right than wrong.

When Nixon went to China, China was essentially a third world country. The goal through the ensuing administrations was to help them get more industrialized. During the Clinton administration they were growing pretty well. The growth rate has been very healthy ever since.

It was really during the 2000's under the mishandling of the two worst presidents to ever serve that the situation got out of hand. Trump is trying to correct that mishandling. He doesn't own a scalpel. He's using his hammer. The other guys asked politiely and we are where we are.

Partisan hyperbole? What is Nancy's motivation? Trump came down the escalator saying what he's still saying. His programs and policies are things he really believes in.

All the suckling pigs in DC are the spokes model results of focus group swindlers. That's why they're for all the things before they were against all the things. All the things.

Trump was able to change the direction of some of the relocation decisions and not able to change the direction of others. Whatever the outcomes of his exhortations on those particular actions by PRIVATE ENTERPRISE owners and managers, the number of manufacturing jobs is growing at a rate faster than at any point in the last 23 years. Might be because of something he did.

According to Obama, Trump would need a magic wand to do this. Is Harry Potter in his cabinet? If you have no idea how to do something and yet see it happening, you might think it's magic or just deny it actually COULD happen. Obama, obviously, had/has no idea.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-manufacturing-jobs-growth-has-been-so-strong-2018-08-03

 

[code1211]

1. Instead of deeply informed he is deeply uninformed. He doesn’t read. He spurns briefings. He boasts of making decisions with his “gut”.

2. Instead of thoughtful he is thoughtless, uncivil and rude. He thrives on mockery.

3. Instead of empathetic he is selfish and driven by greed. His “charity” recently shutdown in New York as a fraud used as his personal piggy bank marks the depth of his empathy.

4. Instead of brave he cowardly hides with lies behind the truth, day after day after day.

5. Instead of measured, he is rash, petulant, impulsive, prone as a result to going too far, or in the wrong direction as in his abrupt decision on Syria or his idiotic obsequities with the leader of North Korea. What other President has had his advisers seen as “the adults in the room”?

We disagree and that's okay. Trump gets things done that need to be accomplished and he is as deceptive as a three year old cocker spaniel.

What is he doing that he did not claim he wanted to do? He has shouted from the rooftops almost literally that he wants to Make America Great Again by creating the right conditions to help every American Citizen be able to work to achieve their dreams.

Our lying and meddlesome press is saying that this hope driven plan is a racist scheme. What??!?!

Adults in the room... If you haven't been watching, and, apparently, that is the case, EVERY REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT is portrayed in by the press as being incompetent, dishonest, stupid, out of touch, deceptive, indecisive and cowardly.

EVERY DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT is presented by the press as being honest, wise, benevolent, inspirational and hopeful.

In reality, they are all the same or, rather, have always been the same in my lifetime until Trump. Just men trying to do their best but ultimately controlled by their party machines.

Trump is doing what he's doing because he believes it needs to be done. I feel that he also believes that NOBODY else could or would take this on. Do you know of anyone else who is very accomplished in the real world who could do it and who would do it?

I don't. Trump is unique. As a country, we seem to lose our way occasionally and then stumble upon the right guy in our time of need to help find our path again.

Trump is that guy in this time.

 

[TheParser]

He's the worst human being in America...forget the title.

How sad that the poster feels the President is worse than those "human beings" in America who rob, beat up, and kill innocent victims every day of the year.

 

[TheParser]

In most rankings Lincoln is the very top rank or one of presidents.

Some people feel that President Lincoln does not deserve such accolades.

They feel another president could have settled the unpleasantness between the North and the South without plunging the nation into a horrific war that took the lives of at least 600,000 young men.

The consequences of the Civil War still affect every American, directly or indirectly.

 

[code1211]

I said no such thing. You asked what the link was. The fiascos are similar. The endless coverups, the constant changing of their "story," the number of his cabinet heads and other White House staff that are under investigation or have been indicted, etc.

How young are you? Those who refuse to study history deserve to repeat it.

:sigh:

I was in college during Watergate. I was in Grade School during the Bay of Pigs. I was in High School when we were sending 10,000 youngsters into Viet Nam alive and retrieving them in body bags each year.

What are the actual things that are being investigated in this witch hunt. Why is the investigation limited specifically to Trump?

IF there was an actual issue with the Russians having done something in the presidential election, THEN the investigation should be about the Russians. Does this not make sense?

WHY is the investigation specifically defined as something to attack Trump and set up to protect anyone not named or connected to Donald J. Trump?

If you will notice singular and outlandish FACT that as the basis of this witch hunt, EVERYTHING else comes clear.

As an aside, when Obama was in the White House, the Russians seem to have interfered in the election. Now Trump is in the White House and not so much. Wonder why?

 

[code1211]

No, a crook who tends to hire other crooks will do that.

Obama may have been an amateur, but none of his top people were indicted.

The fact that none of his top people were indicted is an idictment of our system in general and of the people in it in particular.

McCabe, Strzok, Page, Comey, Brennan and Clapper were all working for or with Holder and Learner. They were all doing just fine in the certainty that Hillary would be elected and they would be held harm free.

This crowd granted immunity to Hillary's lawyers. Trump's lawyers are not afforded the same level of courtesy. You may have noticed this variance in the application of our laws.

Holder directed his henchmen to attack Boeing and they did so backing away when the union got paid off. Learner directed the removal of First Amendment rights from citizens. Holder turned a blind eye. Did he not see it?

Maybe he didn't need to watch it since he was directing it. What is more reasonable? Holder's a moron or Holder's a crook?

The gleeful press corp applauded the efforts to cover it up. When it comes to our press, it's obvious that hey have a "my team is right" approach to all things.

People don't get indicted when they own the system. The boss don't fire himself. The guy that owns the Cleveland Browns keeps changing coaches and GM's. Do you think maybe the real problem is higher up in that organization?

 

[code1211]

How do we know his net worth? He lies about everything. Everything he says and does is for the sake of his ego. In my opinion, the reason he refuses to release his tax returns to we the people is not because he's afraid of showing himself to be crooked, but because then we would know what a flim flam man he is. Billionaire, my ass.

I think we've all seen the pictures of the Palace at Versailles decor in his new Your Penthouse. Mara Lago ain't no lake cottage outside of town.

The guy has money. Loads of it.

Are you saying he's really a homeless guy? Are you going to believe your lying eyes or the Never Trumpers trying to deceive the weak minded?

How many hand painted frescoes in your home are highlighted by ornate, hand carved frames covered in 24 carat gold leaf?

I just walked around my home checking the walls. I don't even have one. Trump's doing okay for a homeless guy.

 

[code1211]

Why do you love him?

I know, supposedly he kept his promises. He didn't, but he duped you into thinking so. You're easily duped, obviously, why is that?

I don't know. Maybe I get fooled into believing things that are actually real in the real world- you know: like a bigger number on the take home line of my paycheck. My 401K is doing pretty well, too.

All I ask of a president is to get out of the way and let me work. Trump says endlessly that he only wants to make it possible for everyone to do their best. The press says this is a racist message.

Obama fumbled everything he claimed he was trying to do and the press said he's a really great guy so you love him. Never had a year of 3% GDP growth. Avoiding that mark would have been (and actually was) impossible for any other president. In Obama's second year, avoiding a 3% growth would have been difficult for a normal guy just doing nothing at all, but the Big 0 was equal to the task.

Trump makes everything better when he touches it and the press says he's a meany so you hate him.

The real question is not why I love him. That's obvious. Why do you hate him when he has made your life demonstrably better if you live in the USA?

You seem to be ignoring what's actually happening in the real world and believing what you're being told about some fantasy world. This seems like an odd way to live. Have you done your Bird Box challenge yet?

https://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2017/mar/16/peter-roskam/rep-roskam-gdp-growth-obama/

 

[markjs]

I don't know. Maybe I get fooled into believing things that are actually real in the real world- you know: like a bigger number on the take home line of my paycheck. My 401K is doing pretty well, too.

All I ask of a president is to get out of the way and let me work. Trump says endlessly that he only wants to make it possible for everyone to do their best. The press says this is a racist message.

Obama fumbled everything he claimed he was trying to do and the press said he's a really great guy so you love him. Never had a year of 3% GDP growth. Avoiding that mark would have been (and actually was) impossible for any other president. In Obama's second year, avoiding a 3% growth would have been difficult for a normal guy just doing nothing at all, but the Big 0 was equal to the task.

Trump makes everything better when he touches it and the press says he's a meany so you hate him.

The real question is not why I love him. That's obvious. Why do you hate him when he has made your life demonstrably better if you live in the USA?

You seem to be ignoring what's actually happening in the real world and believing what you're being told about some fantasy world. This seems like an odd way to live. Have you done your Bird Box challenge yet?

https://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2017/mar/16/peter-roskam/rep-roskam-gdp-growth-obama/

MOre garbage from the duped. You absolutely have ZERO metric for saying that, and could offer zero evidence, bucause it is NOT factual.

 

[Idiometer]

I would if they provided a link to that data but they dont, which again reinforces my point. You do not know what your defending. Ftr I dont carte that obsma is ranked higher than Reagan I just want to know what their reasoning is.

They asked this same group of people who they would add to mt Rushmore and over to 2/3rds voted for FDR. So an overwhelming majority of that group voted for the president who is thought of as the father of American progressivism.

If you want to give this list stock, be my guest. It appears to be heavily bias to the left imo. I might be wrong but without any explination offered to why they are ranked the way the are it looks that way to me.



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Oh good grief. Where did I defend anything? All I did was point out that you were making a claim about progressives without knowledge of the people in this organization. I didn't "give this list stock," I didn't state that I agreed with their list. If you're trying to make this into a fight, epic fail. All you've done is shown your own contrariness when someone called BS on your original post here.

That said, I do agree with them that Trump is at the bottom of this list. If you want to pick a fight over that, this is a target rich environment, go for it.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

... If part of that was due to listening to his mentor, ....

Donald Trump must be every bit the idiot student that one of his college professors called him to require mentoring for decades as he filed bankruptcy 5 times and was bailed out by his father, who gave Donald hundreds of millions of dollars to pay off his bad debts.

Did Jobs, Gates, Bezos, or Cuban require the same mentoring to become (true) self made billionaires?

... the number of manufacturing jobs is growing at a rate faster than at any point in the last 23 years. Might be because of something he did.

Trump has done that, in large part, by dramatically eliminating or reducing more regulations than any of his predecessors, and giving enormous permanent tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans. No genius or heavy lifting is required when he has all three branches under his thumb. Now we have more employment, but with stagnant or declining wages and less consumer/employee/environmental protections. A good trade off to some, no doubt.

 

[haymarket]

"Trump debuts in last place in political scientists’ “Presidential Greatness Rankings”


"...a group of more than 170 scholars from the American Political Science Association released a survey today (on Presidents’ Day, the national holiday celebrating those who have held the office), which aims to calculate the “greatness” of every US president. Trump debuted in last place..."


Of the 44 men who have served as President of the USA, Trump is rated as the worst.

Worse than Grant.
Worse than Harding and Harrison.


He is a man unfit to be President.



https://qz.com/1210855/presidents-d...l-scientists-presidential-greatness-rankings/

Thank you for reporting this. I feel these political scientists got it right - both in evaluating Trump and most of the others also. I personally would put FDR as #1 but I will not quibble.

 

[haymarket]

It seems there is always a small population of pin heads in this country who get taken by con men. Even when the con man is exposed to be a total fraud they fight harder to defend.

Historians will not be kind to Trump.

The problem with Trump is that it was a rather sizable percentage of pinheads who were eagerly and willingly taken in.

 

[markjs]

The problem with Trump is that it was a rather sizable percentage of pinheads who were eagerly and willingly taken in.

NBC created a monther with The Apprentice. His base believed it. I mean a near complete and utter business failure, accepted as a "brilliant businessman", America's got CONNED, and his base LOVES it!

 

[Idiometer]

I was in college during Watergate. I was in Grade School during the Bay of Pigs. I was in High School when we were sending 10,000 youngsters into Viet Nam alive and retrieving them in body bags each year.

What are the actual things that are being investigated in this witch hunt. Why is the investigation limited specifically to Trump?

IF there was an actual issue with the Russians having done something in the presidential election, THEN the investigation should be about the Russians. Does this not make sense?

WHY is the investigation specifically defined as something to attack Trump and set up to protect anyone not named or connected to Donald J. Trump?

If you will notice singular and outlandish FACT that as the basis of this witch hunt, EVERYTHING else comes clear.

As an aside, when Obama was in the White House, the Russians seem to have interfered in the election. Now Trump is in the White House and not so much. Wonder why?

Since when is this investigation "limited specifically to Trump?" This is not a witch hunt, it's an investigation into whether Trump or anyone involved in his campaign worked with known Russian operatives and hackers to sway the election in Trump's favor, which they did. Mueller's mandate from the DoJ directed him to persue any other indictable crimes that came to light in the course of the investigation.

Where are you getting the notion that the investigation is "specifically defined as something to attack Trump and set up to protect anyone not named or connected to Donald J. Trump?" Are you getting your information from right-leaning sources? Personally, I prefer original, official sources, like this:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html

What I wonder is why, knowing full well that Putin's people have managed to conduct such a wide-spread and specifically targeted propaganda deluge via social media in the months leading up to the election, and having absolute proof that Russian hackers tried to breach the actual voting systems in several states, and have also penetrated the systems that control some of our electrical grids, this administration refuses to do anything to prevent the hacking or to prevent Russian interference in the next election.

 

[Idiometer]

I think we've all seen the pictures of the Palace at Versailles decor in his new Your Penthouse. Mara Lago ain't no lake cottage outside of town.

The guy has money. Loads of it.

Are you saying he's really a homeless guy? Are you going to believe your lying eyes or the Never Trumpers trying to deceive the weak minded?

How many hand painted frescoes in your home are highlighted by ornate, hand carved frames covered in 24 carat gold leaf?

I just walked around my home checking the walls. I don't even have one. Trump's doing okay for a homeless guy.

Three things:

1. I'm not saying Trump isn't rich, just that he isn't as rich as he claims.

2. His taste in decor is ghastly, and he's spread all that ugly gold and yellow all over the White House. The next occupant will have to completely gut the place and start from scratch.

3. Your incessant defense of Trump is pathetic. He does not deserve your support.

 

[code1211]

Donald Trump must be every bit the idiot student that one of his college professors called him to require mentoring for decades as he filed bankruptcy 5 times and was bailed out by his father, who gave Donald hundreds of millions of dollars to pay off his bad debts.

Did Jobs, Gates, Bezos, or Cuban require the same mentoring to become (true) self made billionaires?



Trump has done that, in large part, by dramatically eliminating or reducing more regulations than any of his predecessors, and giving enormous permanent tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans. No genius or heavy lifting is required when he has all three branches under his thumb. Now we have more employment, but with stagnant or declining wages and less consumer/employee/environmental protections. A good trade off to some, no doubt.

I see you post no link to substantiate your claim about the nature of the regulatory reductions. Please feel free to do so if you hope to have any credibility.

The tax breaks were given to all Americans paying Federal Income Tax. Lying about this is simply lying about this.

Regarding the other lie about wages not rising, you are simply wrong or intentionally deceptive.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e-312-000-wages-top-estimates-in-jobs-blowout
<snip>
Nonfarm payrolls increased by 312,000 in December, easily topping all forecasts, after an upwardly revised 176,000 gain the prior month, a Labor Department report showed Friday.

Average hourly earnings rose 3.2 percent from a year earlier, more than projected and matching the fastest pace since 2009.

Meanwhile, the jobless rate rose from a five-decade low to 3.9 percent, reflecting more people actively seeking work.
<snip>

 

[Manc Skipper]

So your response is that you hate him.

Seems to be the response around here quite often.

Do you even know WHY you hate him?

That's your take from what i said?

There's the TDS again If it's not toe-curling supine devotion, I must hate him.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I see you post no link to substantiate your claim about the nature of the regulatory reductions. Please feel free to do so if you hope to have any credibility.

Silly code1211, you don’t determine my credibility. You don’t determine anything about anyone.

The tax breaks were given to all Americans paying Federal Income Tax. Lying about this is simply lying about this.

The only one lying is you. I did not say all Americans weren’t given a tax break. I said the wealthiest received the biggest tax breaks, and that is a fact.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tax-plan-consequences/

Regarding the other lie about wages not rising, you are simply wrong or intentionally deceptive.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e-312-000-wages-top-estimates-in-jobs-blowout
<snip>
Nonfarm payrolls increased by 312,000 in December, easily topping all forecasts, after an upwardly revised 176,000 gain the prior month, a Labor Department report showed Friday.
Average hourly earnings rose 3.2 percent from a year earlier, more than projected and matching the fastest pace since 2009.

Okay, now you’re confusing me. Am I lying, simply wrong, or being intentionally deceptive? While many have not enjoyed the benefit of any pay raise over the last two years, I have to acknowledge that I misspoke on wage raises across the board. What I should have said is that the rate of wage increases has been negated by the rate of inflation. Many people are earning more $, but the raise in pay is offset by the increased costs of services/goods.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewr...l-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/?amp=1
Again here, the wealthiest Americans benefit at a much higher rate (proportionally).

Not surprising, you seem to have overlooked or ignored my comment on Trump’s actions against our country’s environment. National Geographic has been maintaining a record of Trump Administration actions that folks who care may find informative.
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/how-trump-is-changing-science-environment/

 

[Fearandloathing]

How sad that the poster feels the President is worse than those "human beings" in America who rob, beat up, and kill innocent victims every day of the year.

It's not my fault your asshole president is slime. Rob? Lets talk about evictions in New York.

As to "beat up" and "kill" I can onl;y assume you are talking about American police officers. I see a cop killed a kid in cold blood and got three years time.

Let's talk about "killing" and America's blood splattered schools.

Get real.

 

[code1211]

Since when is this investigation "limited specifically to Trump?" This is not a witch hunt, it's an investigation into whether Trump or anyone involved in his campaign worked with known Russian operatives and hackers to sway the election in Trump's favor, which they did. Mueller's mandate from the DoJ directed him to persue any other indictable crimes that came to light in the course of the investigation.

Where are you getting the notion that the investigation is "specifically defined as something to attack Trump and set up to protect anyone not named or connected to Donald J. Trump?" Are you getting your information from right-leaning sources? Personally, I prefer original, official sources, like this:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html

What I wonder is why, knowing full well that Putin's people have managed to conduct such a wide-spread and specifically targeted propaganda deluge via social media in the months leading up to the election, and having absolute proof that Russian hackers tried to breach the actual voting systems in several states, and have also penetrated the systems that control some of our electrical grids, this administration refuses to do anything to prevent the hacking or to prevent Russian interference in the next election.

You linked to the document appointing the special counsel. You apparently have no problem with the idea of limiting the investigation to only Trump.

Why is this?

Why does the appointment even mention Trump? If the reason for the investigation is to determine if the Russians did nefarious stuff, why not make that the charge of the special counsel?

Obviously, the the reason is to get Trump. It's a witch hunt.

You then go on to talk about Putin and your are certain that when Obama was in office, Putin was very active interfering in our election. Do you have a link that says that the Russians "breached" the voting systems in several states.

No voting system is connected to the internet and there is not evidence that i have heard about that even one vote was changed after it was cast. Do you know of any?

Was there any Russian meddling in the recent mid terms? I didn't hear a peep about Russian meddling in the mid terms.

If there was no Russian Meddling in the mid terms, it would seem that Trump and his team have cleaned up much of the mess made by Obama and his team.

WAS THERE RUSSIAN MEDDLING IN THE MID TERMS TO HELP ELECT ALL THOSE DEMOCRATS AND OTHER LEFT LEANING TYPES SYMPATHETIC TO THE RUSSIAN STYLE OF GOVERNMENT?

 

[code1211]

Three things:

1. I'm not saying Trump isn't rich, just that he isn't as rich as he claims.

2. His taste in decor is ghastly, and he's spread all that ugly gold and yellow all over the White House. The next occupant will have to completely gut the place and start from scratch.

3. Your incessant defense of Trump is pathetic. He does not deserve your support.

His taste is pretty close to that of Louis IV. A little outdated, but to each his own.

The drapes in the oval office seem to lean toward the golden hues in most administrations. Trump's as well.

In the Obama administration, the drapes were red. He was more flexible.

I don't understand why EVERYONE is not defending Trump. He's done a great job for me and for anyone else who is trying to make a living.