How will history judge Donald Trump as President ?

[Amelia]

Trump is our first anti-president.

 

[Amelia]

An uneducated, fumbling, bumbling, sociopathic imbecile, with world class stupidity and incompetence, who was yet still able to convince 37% of the country that he was the answer to their problems.

Good summary.

 

[code1211]

That he's a fraud?

1 - He claimed to be the best deal maker. That turned out to be false.
2 - He claimed Mexico would pay for the wall. There has been no indication that Mexico is writing a check.
3 - He claimed that he had a better healthcare plan. Has yet to unveil that yet. And he also claimed he was going to repeal and replace ObamaCare. Still in the books.
4 - He claimed that he would put Hillary in jail on Day One. She's still out and about.
5 - He claimed he would own up to the government shutdown, but then a few days later blamed it squarely on Democrats.
6 - He instructed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump Tower meetings.
7 - He claimed he would never go on vacation or have time for golfing, yet he spent a whole heck of a lot of time swinging clubs.
8 - Heck, he even claimed he bought 300 hamberders for Clemson, then later that night claimed there were over 1000 hamberders.

I mean, the guy is a big fake. Big words, small hands, big lies.

You said something about Shady Business Dealings.

Did he claim he'd put Hillary in jail on day 1. Link?

As far as vacation goes, by his standards, government work is a vacation. Government moves at the speed of vacation in business.

When he's on vacation, he's doing more than most of the Congress ever imagined doing on the job.

Are you seriously fact checking hamberders?

You hate him. I get it. How's your 401K doing?

Not even Trump can deal with people who refuse to deal. Government shut down? This is good for the Dems politically and they will do the politically expedient thing. They always do.

Trump is moving forward toward a solution based on principle. They are moving away based on politics.

For better or for worse, the Dems are exposed as double dealing ideologues with no care for the well being of the people of the United States.

Keep hating. It's what Liberals do. I can't really argue with that, though. Once you find your strength, you need to exploit it.

 

[PLizzy]

Let's not insult the Joker by comparing him to Trump in any regard. :no:

In all of the Batman movies the Joker is at least calculating, intelligent, cunning, and always has a plan.

Trump literally has none of those qualities.

 

[Idiometer]

You forgot to mention that he would get the "best" people to fill his cabinet and all the other posts and not only has he had the worst turnover ever, the most people accused of corruption and criminal actions, but the highest non-interest in working with him ever seen. In addition, just a few days ago it was stated that there are over 770 positions that need to be filled in the government and less than 250 have been filled, meaning that the government does not have has enough to run the government efficiently.

Only those who can afford to lawyer up will take a job with this White House.

 

[code1211]

Here's a guy who claimed he was going to repeal and replace ObamaCare on Day One.

So, he pushes Congress to begin the repeal process.

Doesn't happen.

Then threatens them into repealing it. Tries to bully Congress.

Congress laughs in his face.

Congress votes again, and it fails to be repealed.

He proved himself, to be a farce. He proved that the US government is not a contractor.

How's that mandate going lately?

 

[code1211]

Are they progressives? Did you actually look into that? Got a link? I do:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Political_Science_Association

They've been around for more than 100 years, and membership has included a wide variety of viewpoints.

These 170 people have been around for 100 years?

 

[Idiometer]

Trump has had a variety of business pursuits. The thing about people who do things is that they do things.

I think it was Vince Lombardi who said something like: It's not if you get knocked down. It's if you get back up.

Obviously, this guy just keeps getting back up. He is a living, breathing example of the power of perseverance.

Obama: To correct this you'd need a magic wand. Trump: We're going to bring back manufacturing jobs.

Actual outcome?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-manufacturing-jobs-growth-has-been-so-strong-2018-08-03
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Employers created 37,000 new manufacturing jobs in July, the Labor Department said Friday, the strongest gain since December and the third straight month in which factory job growth accelerated.

The July numbers may have been nudged upward a bit by vagaries in the data due to annual auto plant shutdowns, but the trend has been firm for the past year and a half. The 327,000 new jobs over the last year represent the best 12-month stretch in 23 years.
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Trump keeps getting back up? Right.

How great of a business man can he be if he runs a freaking casino into bankruptcy?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Trump has had a variety of business pursuits. The thing about people who do things is that they do things.

I think it was Vince Lombardi who said something like: It's not if you get knocked down. It's if you get back up.

Obviously, this guy just keeps getting back up. He is a living, breathing example of the power of perseverance.

Obama: To correct this you'd need a magic wand. Trump: We're going to bring back manufacturing jobs.

Actual outcome?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-manufacturing-jobs-growth-has-been-so-strong-2018-08-03
<snip>
Employers created 37,000 new manufacturing jobs in July, the Labor Department said Friday, the strongest gain since December and the third straight month in which factory job growth accelerated.

The July numbers may have been nudged upward a bit by vagaries in the data due to annual auto plant shutdowns, but the trend has been firm for the past year and a half. The 327,000 new jobs over the last year represent the best 12-month stretch in 23 years.
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Trump didn’t pull himself up, his daddy did. Fred Trump rescued Donald repeatedly over decades. It is reasonable to believe that had it not been for daddy, Trump would have never become a rich man, period.

As for jobs, there’s no denying (and I wouldn’t wish to) Trump’s success in his first two years, putting Americans to work. It’s also true that he failed to help the miners of WV as promised (more mine closures than under Obama and no retraining programs to help miners transition to new jobs), the Carrier workers (the plant relocated even though Trump said he stopped it), Harley Davidson (Trump tariffs forcing the company to move some operations overseas), and the list goes on. Considering his poorly executed trade strategy, i.e., tariff war, and ongoing Trump shutdown, things may well start turning in the opposite direction.

 

[trouble13]

Are they progressives? Did you actually look into that? Got a link? I do:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Political_Science_Association

They've been around for more than 100 years, and membership has included a wide variety of viewpoints.

Your link does not list any of the people who compiled the list or even the criteria they used to grade them.

The only person they name is the president and she is part graduate of Berkley one of the most liberal colleges in the country.

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[Myview]

He will never move up the list of Presidents. He will go down as a aberration an anomaly and a mistake. He will however gain cult like status among a certain segment of the American population and polish his infamy in retirement. His presidential library will be a mecca for Conservatives.

 

[code1211]

You forgot to mention that he would get the "best" people to fill his cabinet and all the other posts and not only has he had the worst turnover ever, the most people accused of corruption and criminal actions, but the highest non-interest in working with him ever seen. In addition, just a few days ago it was stated that there are over 770 positions that need to be filled in the government and less than 250 have been filled, meaning that the government does not have has enough to run the government efficiently.

Sounds like an effective reduction in the payroll.

I'm stunned by how the number of federal Employees and contractors seems to be staying about the same non-governmental administrative organizations are decreasing in size and head count.

Using my own little world as an example, my secretary, the admin pool, corporate travel agents, printing contractors, couriers and caterers have been replaced by my lap top or just cut away.

At the same time, my span of control has increased in dollars by about 5 times since the 90's. Number of accounts is WAY up.

Is the Federal government so inefficient that it cannot be reduced using computers? What's up with this?

 

[code1211]

The antithesis of what a President should be.

And what is it that a president should be?

 

[code1211]

I think the entire Republican party will (and should) be tarnished with the Trump stain. They have enabled him, defended him, and ignored his unfitness all in the name of a tax break for the rich and a rubber stamp for ultra conservative justices, not just in the Supreme Court but in federal courts all over the country.

Recovering from Trump will be a long and arduous ordeal.

Recovering from the highest employment ever, the highest wage rates ever, the greatest personal wealth ever, the highest tax revenues ever and the biggest tax rate cuts in generations and hundreds of market highs?

These are all things I would prefer to continue suffering under. Would you prefer lower levels in these things?

 

[code1211]

He started with a great economy. Yet he is messing it up with this Shutdown. https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/kevin-hassett-shutdown-economic-growth/index.html Trump will ve remembered for his self inflicted wounds.

He implemented various policies that energized the economy and fired up the optimism of the American People.

When that was accomplished, he set about attacking problems of long standing that other presidents ignored. He created a position of strength and moved from that point to make improvements.

The shutdown is a dance with a partner who refuses to dance. He asked Nancy if she would negotiate and she said she would not.

Then she cancelled the State of the Union and he grounded her like any parent would do with any petulant child.

Trump is trying to do something that he feels is the right thing to do. Nancy is only hating. They are both doing what they do.

 

[JackA]

And what is it that a president should be?

Measured, deeply informed, thoughtful, empathetic, brave, all traits the President lacks.

 

[code1211]

From what I have seen, all the good that this Presidency was going to accomplish (tax cuts, deregulation) have been accomplished and the other things that he was supposed to accomplish (better health care, immigration reform, and fair trade) have gone south given that health care is now worse, immigration reform is not going anywhere and fair trade is now costing our people big time (more than before). I do not see anything else that can be considered good happening in the next two years, and I do see things getting worse (especially with the Government shutdown), meaning that at the end of his Presidency I would not be surprised to see him rated lower not only to U.S. Presidents but to world leaders including Dictators.

Do you have links or any facts of any kind that support your ravings?

 

[code1211]

Watergate.

It's never the deed, it's always the coverup.

So Trump is now involved in Watergate?

Wait! What?

C'mon, man!

 

[code1211]

Only those who can afford to lawyer up will take a job with this White House.

False accusations and media support of the Democrat attack machine will do that.

Q: You know what they call a guy who is attacked by the Democrat Party slime slingers?

A: Justice Kavanaugh

My God! Whenever I watch a Democrat mouth piece being interviewed, I feel like I need to take a shower.

 

[code1211]

Trump keeps getting back up? Right.

How great of a business man can he be if he runs a freaking casino into bankruptcy?

His net worth seems to reveal your answer for you.

How many previous presidents refused their salary while in office?

 

[code1211]

Trump didn’t pull himself up, his daddy did. Fred Trump rescued Donald repeatedly over decades. It is reasonable to believe that had it not been for daddy, Trump would have never become a rich man, period.

As for jobs, there’s no denying (and I wouldn’t wish to) Trump’s success in his first two years, putting Americans to work. It’s also true that he failed to help the miners of WV as promised (more mine closures than under Obama and no retraining programs to help miners transition to new jobs), the Carrier workers (the plant relocated even though Trump said he stopped it), Harley Davidson (Trump tariffs forcing the company to move some operations overseas), and the list goes on. Considering his poorly executed trade strategy, i.e., tariff war, and ongoing Trump shutdown, things may well start turning in the opposite direction.

Is he still doing so from beyond the grave?

We cannot assume much of anything about anything in a different reality. Reality is what it is.

His trade war is addressing things that should have been addressed since the Clinton years forward. The theft of intellectual property is a recognized crime across the world outside of China.

Trump put the economy on a very strong footing and used that perch as the point to start the campaign to correct.

How it comes out is a point of debate right now. Businesses will either condemn the failed effort or applaud the terrific result. History and news coverage will condemn Trump in either event.

The government shut down is the result of Trump pursuing the goals of legal activity and reduced crime combined with Pelosi's hatred of Trump.

Trump is reaching for something positive and Pelosi is opposing due to the most negative of motivations: hate. This is pure and simple.

As it happens, most involved business decisions, like plant shut downs, are made and implemented over the course of years.

I was given a behind the scenes look at two such moves. One was in the 80's and the other was at about the time of Trump's election.

Both were eerily similar behind the scenes and the public announcements were postponed from the actual decisions by years. Not all things are as they appear.

 

[code1211]

Measured, deeply informed, thoughtful, empathetic, brave, all traits the President lacks.

You need to check your gauge of measure.

He is deeply informed. He is also very instinctive and intuitive. the missiles are no longer falling into the Sea of Japan. Russia hasn't invaded anyone recently. i just filled my tank for $1.91/gallon. These are all good things: Impossible before Trump.

He is thoughtful. However, he thinks in terms of accomplishment, not political expediency. As an example, his critics are all wondering what is the way to end the shutdown. He is wondering what is the way to impede the flow of drugs, stop illegal immigration and reduce crime.

He is empathetic. Look at his family. Look at the employees of his companies. You can bet if the majority of his 35,000 employees felt he was a jerk, they'd have been on TV. His kids are accomplished and adoring. Even his ex-wives seem to like him. This is not the description of a bad guy.

He is brave. He has been under attack since he came down the Escalator. Every day, 24 hours each day and non-stop. This is bravery in the face of attack.

He is measured. Given what he faced to accomplish what he's accomplished, he has done everything needed to be considered measured. Deliberate, calculated, regularly recurrent and in proportion to what is faced. He has been the dictionary definition of measured in his presidency.

 

[Manc Skipper]

His net worth seems to reveal your answer for you.

How many previous presidents refused their salary while in office?

Emoluments are boosting his income daily. Where did his last salary go to? Did he claim tax relief on his donation?

 

[Manc Skipper]

You need to check your gauge of measure.

He is deeply informed. He is also very instinctive and intuitive. the missiles are no longer falling into the Sea of Japan. Russia hasn't invaded anyone recently. i just filled my tank for $1.91/gallon. These are all good things: Impossible before Trump.

He is thoughtful. However, he thinks in terms of accomplishment, not political expediency. As an example, his critics are all wondering what is the way to end the shutdown. He is wondering what is the way to impede the flow of drugs, stop illegal immigration and reduce crime.

He is empathetic. Look at his family. Look at the employees of his companies. You can bet if the majority of his 35,000 employees felt he was a jerk, they'd have been on TV. His kids are accomplished and adoring. Even his ex-wives seem to like him. This is not the description of a bad guy.

He is brave. He has been under attack since he came down the Escalator. Every day, 24 hours each day and non-stop. This is bravery in the face of attack.

He is measured. Given what he faced to accomplish what he's accomplished, he has done everything needed to be considered measured. Deliberate, calculated, regularly recurrent and in proportion to what is faced. He has been the dictionary definition of measured in his presidency.

Now THAT's what i call no-holds-barred TDS!

 

[Yakshi]

Now THAT's what i call no-holds-barred TDS!

Anybody who claims that Trump is "empathetic" is so far down the rabbit hole that they can't be sucked out of it with the world's biggest plunger.