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How the State Dept.’s Dissenters Incited a Revolt, Then a Rallying Cry

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How the State Dept.’s Dissenters Incited a Revolt, Then a Rallying Cry

Shock, anger and sadness are giving way to pride among career diplomats that they are defending American ideals and holding the Trump administration accountable.

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The abrupt recall in May of Marie L. Yovanovitch as ambassador to Ukraine was
a galvanizing moment for her colleagues.


11/9/19
WASHINGTON — State Department Foreign Service officers usually express their views in formal diplomatic cables, but these days they are using closed Facebook groups and encrypted apps to convey their pride in Marie L. Yovanovitch, the ousted ambassador to Ukraine, whose House testimony opened the floodgates on the impeachment inquiry into President Trump. #GoMasha is their rallying cry. In private conversations, they trade admiring notes about career State Department officials like William B. Taylor Jr. and George P. Kent, who delivered damning testimony about a shadow Ukraine policy infected by partisan politics and presidential conspiracy theories, and William V. Roebuck, a senior diplomat in Syria who wrote a searing memo on how Mr. Trump abandoned the Kurds and upended American influence. And they are opening their wallets to help raise money — including nearly $10,000 last Monday alone — to offset the legal bills of department officials called to testify before Congress. Rarely has the State Department, often seen as a staid pillar of the establishment, been the center of a revolt against a president and his top appointees. But as a parade of department officials has recounted to lawmakers how policy was hijacked by partisan politics, many career diplomats say they have been inspired by their colleagues’ willingness to stand up to far more powerful voices after nearly three years of being ignored or disparaged by Mr. Trump and those he has chosen to lead the department.

“What we’ve seen is a dawning recognition that Foreign Service officers are just as deeply patriotic as their colleagues in the military,” said Molly Montgomery, who spent 14 years in the Foreign Service before leaving government last year after a stint in the office of Vice President Mike Pence. “There’s a feeling of immense pride that the public is seeing Foreign Service officers for who they are.” But the uprising has come at a cost, deepening the divide between career diplomats and an administration that took office determined to cut their budget and diminish their influence. A growing number of Foreign Service officers have opted to leave, many earlier than planned; one recent retirement class was by far the largest ever, according to the American Foreign Service Association. “There’s outrage over the mistreatment of career officers and failure to stand up for them,” said William J. Burns, who served as an ambassador under four presidents. Some career diplomats fear that the new respect they have earned from the public may do little to shield them from Trump administration officials who are probably wary of them now more than ever, particularly if the president is elected to a second term next year. “There’s a deep worry about what will become of the Foreign Service when this is all over,” said Ms. Montgomery, the former Foreign Service officer who briefly worked for Mr. Pence, “about who will be left, and whether the norm of an apolitical Foreign Service trusted by the State Department’s political leadership can be restored.”

Trump and Pompeo have eviscerated the US State Department with demands of personal loyalty to Donald Trump, and an abhorrence for Trumps shadow State Department of Rudy Giuliani et. al.
 
The inmates are demanding fewer drugs and more psychosis.

:donkeyfla
 
Thanks for admitting they rebelled vice upholding their oath of office.
 
How the State Dept.’s Dissenters Incited a Revolt, Then a Rallying Cry

Shock, anger and sadness are giving way to pride among career diplomats that they are defending American ideals and holding the Trump administration accountable.

09dc-state1-mediumThreeByTwo440-v2.jpg

The abrupt recall in May of Marie L. Yovanovitch as ambassador to Ukraine was
a galvanizing moment for her colleagues.




Trump and Pompeo have eviscerated the US State Department with demands of personal loyalty to Donald Trump, and an abhorrence for Trumps shadow State Department of Rudy Giuliani et. al.



Once it can be announced that "The monarchy is dead. Long live democracy!" we can tell the State Dept, all our ever-faithful, patriotic institution, and our allies that the auto-plutocracy they and we experienced was an aberration and that respect and honor will be restored in all.
 
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Shock, anger and sadness are giving way to pride among career diplomats that they are defending American ideals and holding the Trump administration accountable.

I don’t know where you are from, but you have correctly identified the deep state and it’s attack against representative government being expressed in the voting booth, not by a consensus of federal employees who don’t like the new boss the voters appointed.

Once it can be announced that "The monarchy is dead. Long live democracy!" we can tell the State Dept, all our ever-faithful, patriotic institution, and our allies that the auto-plutocracy they and we experienced was an aberration and that respect and honor will be restored in all.

IOW, “Viva la coup!”.

This attitude has no place in America.
 
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I don’t know where you are from, but you have correctly identified the deep state and it’s attack against representative government being expressed in the voting booth, not by a consensus of federal employees who don’t like the new boss the voters appointed.



IOW, “Viva la coup!”.

This attitude has no place in America.

IOW, nope. You do know what a coup is, don't you? Trump doesn't. Then again there's no end to what he doesn't know.
 
How the State Dept.’s Dissenters Incited a Revolt, Then a Rallying Cry

Shock, anger and sadness are giving way to pride among career diplomats that they are defending American ideals and holding the Trump administration accountable.

09dc-state1-mediumThreeByTwo440-v2.jpg

The abrupt recall in May of Marie L. Yovanovitch as ambassador to Ukraine was
a galvanizing moment for her colleagues.




Trump and Pompeo have eviscerated the US State Department with demands of personal loyalty to Donald Trump, and an abhorrence for Trumps shadow State Department of Rudy Giuliani et. al.

The president and the SECSTATE can run the State Department however they choose. The only people who have a say in that are the citizens.
 
IOW, nope. You do know what a coup is, don't you? Trump doesn't. Then again there's no end to what he doesn't know.

The employees of the state department don't run the show; the president does. If they don't like his policies, they can quit and carry their asses to the house.
 
Trump's crew is just a Mafia.

A bunch of his supporters are in church as we speak.
 
The president and the SECSTATE can run the State Department however they choose. The only people who have a say in that are the citizens.

The president did not run on a platform of disintegrating the state department, the EPA, etc.


That they have chosen to do so, a veritable bait and switch, gives rise to a legitimate challenge given that doing so is harming America.

If the minority elects a president by a fluke of the electoral college, a president who is antithetical to traditional American values and institutions, the majority will challenge it, period.


We, the majority, back the good foreign service officers whose integrity have been impugned by the anti-American antics of this administration.
 
I don’t know where you are from, but you have correctly identified the deep state and it’s attack against representative government being expressed in the voting booth, not by a consensus of federal employees who don’t like the new boss the voters appointed.



IOW, “Viva la coup!”.

This attitude has no place in America.

Correctly identified the “deep state”?

I’m waiting for a Trumpster to tell us what the “deep state” is.

Who leads it? What does it consist of?

It is corruption and influence peddling in Washington?

Well, the Trump Administration has done less than nothing about that. Indeed, we have an entire catalog of incidents and Trump administration hangers on, who are or did try and cash in on it. (the “three amigos” being only the most recent examples).

Or does it mean just Trump’s political enemies?

Or is it just Trump usurping the ever present parochial right wing belief that there is some secret star chamber running their world that they are helpless to resist?

This is a perennial. It just changes names every few years.

The essentials are always the same. The “deep state” like the Bilderbergs, the New World Order, the TriLateral Society and the Learned Elders of Zion are all interchangeable in the parochial right wing mind.
 
The president did not run on a platform of disintegrating the state department, the EPA, etc.


That they have chosen to do so, a veritable bait and switch, gives rise to a legitimate challenge given that doing so is harming America.

If the minority elects a president by a fluke of the electoral college, a president who is antithetical to traditional American values and institutions, the majority will challenge it, period.


We, the majority, back the good foreign service officers whose integrity have been impugned by the anti-American antics of this administration.

Irrelevant. The president doesn't answer to the employees at state; they answer to him.

They took an oath to uphold The Constitution. The Constitution says they answer to the president.
 
Re: How the State Dept.’s Dissenters Incited a Revolt, Then a Rallying Cry

How the State Dept.’s Dissenters Incited a Revolt, Then a Rallying Cry

Shock, anger and sadness are giving way to pride among career diplomats that they are defending American ideals and holding the Trump administration accountable.

09dc-state1-mediumThreeByTwo440-v2.jpg

The abrupt recall in May of Marie L. Yovanovitch as ambassador to Ukraine was
a galvanizing moment for her colleagues.




Trump and Pompeo have eviscerated the US State Department with demands of personal loyalty to Donald Trump, and an abhorrence for Trumps shadow State Department of Rudy Giuliani et. al.

The 'storming of the castle', the republican mobsters that Matt Gaetz proudly declared as his '300 moment' was orchestrated prior to the testimony of Fiona Hill. She had been receiving death threats and harassment prior to her testimony. Why would anyone focus on Fiona Hill so vehemently that they would threaten to kill her and her family?

Apparently, the two dozen or so Congressmen that stormed the secure SCIF led by hero Matt Gaetz as the character Leonidis in the movie '300' had a good idea of what Fiona Hill was about to testify to, and they managed to delay her testimony by 3 hours. This was clearly a threatening and intimidation tactic.

I have read the testimony of Fiona Hill. The first part of the printed testimony was about this storming of the SCIF. It's worth a read from page 6 and on. This illegal action that was undertaken by republicans is like mob rule, they don't care how low they sink, and truthfully I don't doubt there's a few in that mob that wouldn't be low enough to pay a hit man to murder some of these witnesses.

Fiona Hill Testimony | Deposition (Law) | Ukraine

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The president did not run on a platform of disintegrating the state department, the EPA, etc.


That they have chosen to do so, a veritable bait and switch, gives rise to a legitimate challenge given that doing so is harming America.

If the minority elects a president by a fluke of the electoral college, a president who is antithetical to traditional American values and institutions, the majority will challenge it, period.


We, the majority, back the good foreign service officers whose integrity have been impugned by the anti-American antics of this administration.

All this is is an attempt to justify a mutiny.
 
Correctly identified the “deep state”?

I’m waiting for a Trumpster to tell us what the “deep state” is.

Who leads it? What does it consist of?

It is corruption and influence peddling in Washington?

Well, the Trump Administration has done less than nothing about that. Indeed, we have an entire catalog of incidents and Trump administration hangers on, who are or did try and cash in on it. (the “three amigos” being only the most recent examples).

Or does it mean just Trump’s political enemies?

Or is it just Trump usurping the ever present parochial right wing belief that there is some secret star chamber running their world that they are helpless to resist?

This is a perennial. It just changes names every few years.

The essentials are always the same. The “deep state” like the Bilderbergs, the New World Order, the TriLateral Society and the Learned Elders of Zion are all interchangeable in the parochial right wing mind.

It’s like buying a running business. There are people pushing you: “We always buy from that vendor”, “We have always used that bank”, “why are you auditing my books”. The first time you try to be gracious, then next one you buy you fire everyone on salary.
 
Thanks for admitting they rebelled vice upholding their oath of office.

Indeed. I thought that it was an 'American ideal' for bureaucrats to serve the head of the executive branch, namely a legitimately elected president.

I guess if you're a Democrat or leftist (same thing anymore) such 'American ideals' and principals of the Republic are easily and readily discarded in pursuit of political power and hyper-partisanship. :confused:
 
It’s like buying a running business. There are people pushing you: “We always buy from that vendor”, “We have always used that bank”, “why are you auditing my books”. The first time you try to be gracious, then next one you buy you fire everyone on salary.

I have absolutely no idea what that was supposed to mean.
 
Irrelevant. The president doesn't answer to the employees at state; they answer to him.

They took an oath to uphold The Constitution. The Constitution says they answer to the president.

They answer to the president for their jobs. They answer to the constitution for their decisions.

Trump supporters conflate the two, as does the president.
 
Irrelevant. The president doesn't answer to the employees at state; they answer to him.

They took an oath to uphold The Constitution. The Constitution says they answer to the president.

Unless he is ****ting on the Constitution.
 
Irrelevant. The president doesn't answer to the employees at state; they answer to him.

They took an oath to uphold The Constitution. The Constitution says they answer to the president.

The Constitution absolutely does not state that they answer to the president and if you're claiming it states that then please post the link to that specific text. I'm outright challenging that statement. People that have already given deposition, Fiona Hill for example, have clearly stated that she took an oath to the nation and to the constitution. She did not take an oath to Trump as the president.
 
I don’t know where you are from, but you have correctly identified the deep state and it’s attack against representative government being expressed in the voting booth, not by a consensus of federal employees who don’t like the new boss the voters appointed.



IOW, “Viva la coup!”.

This attitude has no place in America.

LOL Being elected President is not a free pass to violate our Constitution and laws. In fact it is the opposite. A President that violates his oath is no longer fit for office.
 
The Constitution absolutely does not state that they answer to the president and if you're claiming it states that then please post the link to that specific text. I'm outright challenging that statement. People that have already given deposition, Fiona Hill for example, have clearly stated that she took an oath to the nation and to the constitution. She did not take an oath to Trump as the president.

The Constitution specifically states that the president is the chief executive. That means, everybody in the Executive Branch answer to him. He is the single elected official in the Executive Branch, hence he represents the people and every single employee in the EB answers to the people: via the president.

Those ****ing clowns haven't ever read The Constitution if they don't understand that, or they're just ****ing lying. There's NOTHING in The Constitution that gives EB employees the authority to overrule the president.
 
The Constitution specifically states that the president is the chief executive. That means, everybody in the Executive Branch answer to him. He is the single elected official in the Executive Branch, hence he represents the people and every single employee in the EB answers to the people: via the president.

Those ****ing clowns haven't ever read The Constitution if they don't understand that, or they're just ****ing lying. There's NOTHING in The Constitution that gives EB employees the authority to overrule the president.

The Constitution had one objective primarily and that was to make certain that there would never be any president in the Oval Office that could proclaim himself an authoritarian as King George was. That's why they designed the government to have three branches and each to oversee each other branches to prevent usurping of powers from the other two or abusing their own powers. The oath of office taken by foreign ambassadors and foreign emissaries is to the COUNTRY and the CONSTITUTION, not to the president.

You have never read the entire Constitution in your life so don't pretend you have.

U.S. Code § 3331. Oath of office
An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law.
 
The Constitution had one objective primarily and that was to make certain that there would never be any president in the Oval Office that could proclaim himself an authoritarian as King George was. That's why they designed the government to have three branches and each to oversee each other branches to prevent usurping of powers from the other two or abusing their own powers. The oath of office taken by foreign ambassadors and foreign emissaries is to the COUNTRY and the CONSTITUTION, not to the president.

You have never read the entire Constitution in your life so don't pretend you have.

That doesn't change the fact that every employee is subordinate to the president and foreign policy is the president's territory. There appears to be a bunch of people in the EB that think THEY are in charge of the EB. They'll soon find that they're ****ed in the head for believing that.

You have never read the entire Constitution in your life so don't pretend you have.

Says the guy who thinks grand juries can convict people. :lamo
 
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