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How popular are conspiracy theories about Russia?

How popular are concpiracy theories about Russia?


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Snowden has nothing to do with hidden hacking chips built it too boards sold world wide.

Those are known objects. Real. Tangible. Not theories and guesses.

What do they have to do with business negotiations?

And where is your proof of such claims? Or is it just another "we good, them bad" conspiracy theory? You just assume because it is China then... And because it is the US, then...

Adn why in the world would you only care about China doing such things? If they are, they are still a minor player in mass surveillance, the US being by far the biggest. US has been exposed worldwide for doing mass surveillance. It didn't even have to be exposed, we all knew it long before that anyways.

And what makes you think US products are any safer?
 
And where is your proof of such claims? Or is it just another "we good, them bad" conspiracy theory? You just assume because it is China then... And because it is the US, then...

Adn why in the world would you only care about China doing such things? If they are, they are still a minor player in mass surveillance, the US being by far the biggest. US has been exposed worldwide for doing mass surveillance. It didn't even have to be exposed, we all knew it long before that anyways.

And what makes you think US products are any safer?

Wow. China got caught doing it. Period.

What part of the do you not understand?

China did it and there is physical proof.

It happened.

I concentrate on the Chinese case because it is real.
 
Nah, you get it all wrong. ISIL stands for Islamic State of Iraq and Levante (Syria) and is a direct result of the US war in Iraq. Alot of the the start of ISIS was the remnant of the Iraqi resistance.

And ofcourse it's no wonder those people fled, from the US warzone. Or do you think it is a coincidence that they just happen to flee from the countries where the US was at war? Statistically speaking, it's very clear that most migration into Europe came from US conflict zones. It's an undeniable fact that the migration to Europe is a direct result of US meddling in the middle east.

"Iraqi resistance"? Yeah, the same "resistance" which spent most of their time slaughtering fellow Iraqis. AQI and its successor in ISIS are both brutal terrorist groups which have caused immense suffering for the people of Iraq(and the neighboring countries).

From any warzone bud. And actually I hate to break it to you, but a large number of the refugees are fleeing due to the indiscrimate airstrikes launched by the Assad regime and your beloved Russians. Not sure why you think that's an argument when people flee from every warzone, not just ones where the US is involved.

It's an undeniable fact that your arguments have hit rock bottom.
 
Projection. Blame the Russians.

:lamo

So you are saying the infamous secret police.....is a case of "projection"?

:lamo:lamo:lamo

That's the dumbest claim I've heard all week.

Perhaps you should actually read some history books before you continue to post.
 
"Iraqi resistance"? Yeah, the same "resistance" which spent most of their time slaughtering fellow Iraqis. AQI and its successor in ISIS are both brutal terrorist groups which have caused immense suffering for the people of Iraq(and the neighboring countries).

From any warzone bud. And actually I hate to break it to you, but a large number of the refugees are fleeing due to the indiscrimate airstrikes launched by the Assad regime and your beloved Russians. Not sure why you think that's an argument when people flee from every warzone, not just ones where the US is involved.

It's an undeniable fact that your arguments have hit rock bottom.

You can try to twist it any way you want, but ISIL is a creation of the US, through the Iraq war, and it was supported and funded by Obama (US) with the Syrian war situation.

There isn't really a logical way to deny that. If you want to listen to the propaganda box and just repeat what you are being told, I'm sure you can easily look away from logics. It's a well known fact that ISIL is the result of US meddling in the middle east.
 
Wow. China got caught doing it. Period.

What part of the do you not understand?

China did it and there is physical proof.

It happened.

I concentrate on the Chinese case because it is real.

The part where some claim becomes the truth, without any justification for the claim. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Just because a media says it's true, doesn't make it true, just because Obama or Trump says it's true, doesn't make it true. This is the whole problem with MSM today, people just believe unfounded claims.
 
You can try to twist it any way you want, but ISIL is a creation of the US, through the Iraq war, and it was supported and funded by Obama (US) with the Syrian war situation.

There isn't really a logical way to deny that. If you want to listen to the propaganda box and just repeat what you are being told, I'm sure you can easily look away from logics. It's a well known fact that ISIL is the result of US meddling in the middle east.

No, ISIS is a creation of Iraqi terrorists, which has been fought against since its inception by the US. And no, it was not funding by the US......unless you think being bombed counts as "funding".

I know your arguments aren't logical. That's abundantly clear. You desperately trying to blame the US for something which has been going on for hundreds of years is simply flat out dumb. And crying about how everything is "propaganda" is not an argument....it is fundamentally lazy and dishonest.

It may be "well known" among Putin fanboys, but that doesn't make it the truth.
 
The part where some claim becomes the truth, without any justification for the claim. Just because you say it doesn't make it true. Just because a media says it's true, doesn't make it true, just because Obama or Trump says it's true, doesn't make it true. This is the whole problem with MSM today, people just believe unfounded claims.

Blather.
 
No, ISIS is a creation of Iraqi terrorists, which has been fought against since its inception by the US. And no, it was not funding by the US......unless you think being bombed counts as "funding".

True, Iraqi terrorists who were created due to the Iraq war and/or as a result of the Iraq war. Whatever formulation you prefer. It is a direct consequence of the illegal US war in Iraq.

I know your arguments aren't logical. That's abundantly clear. You desperately trying to blame the US for something which has been going on for hundreds of years is simply flat out dumb. And crying about how everything is "propaganda" is not an argument....it is fundamentally lazy and dishonest.

Obama admitted it hundreds of times he was supporting rebels and terrorists with weapons and money in Syria.

I'm not blaming the US for something that has been going on for hundred of years, I'm blaming them for ISIL.
 
I do wonder why so many people are so obsessed with the whole Russia topic. Or, well, perhaps I am not, I know it does not come from themselves. They did not come up with this anti-Russian theme themselves, nor did they invent the Russian conspiracy theories. It was given to them by the mainstream media and politicians.
 
You have a lot to learn about Russia. There main weapon is a willingness to fight at all cost. German should have walked over Russia like they did the countries in Europe. But instead of quitting they just kept bringing the fight to the Germans until they turned German Army around and pushed them back to Berlin. The Germans were surrendering to us out of fear of Russia. And with good reason.

I've visited Russia numerous times. You?
 
I've visited Russia numerous times. You?

I would love to. I hope to make a few trips after I retire. I have a lot of family from that part of the world. Well Eastern Europe. Very strong Russian immigration in NE PA. I currently have 4 Russian immigrants currently living on the same block as I do. Real nice people and here legally unlike our southern neighbors. No anchor babies or trying to circumvent our immigration laws. Hard working law abiding people. I can't wait for summer so we can start barbequing.
 
I would love to. I hope to make a few trips after I retire. I have a lot of family from that part of the world. Well Eastern Europe. Very strong Russian immigration in NE PA. I currently have 4 Russian immigrants currently living on the same block as I do. Real nice people and here legally unlike our southern neighbors. No anchor babies or trying to circumvent our immigration laws. Hard working law abiding people. I can't wait for summer so we can start barbequing.

I like the Russian people. Friendly, curious, genuine, and hospitable. The Putin regime? Not so much.
 
I like the Russian people. Friendly, curious, genuine, and hospitable. The Putin regime? Not so much.

Can you not even admit the Putin government has done well regarding the interest of Russia and the Russian people? Try to understand it from their side.
 
Can you not even admit the Putin government has done well regarding the interest of Russia and the Russian people? Try to understand it from their side.

They have done well stealing from the Russian people for their own personal gain
 
Can you not even admit the Putin government has done well regarding the interest of Russia and the Russian people? Try to understand it from their side.

It is hard for people here to understand how or why Putin is actually popular with the Russian people. Yes there are those that hate him just like there are people here who hate Hillary or Trump. I have watched Putin's career for decades now and he is a powerful leader. He is a real danger to the US if that is what we want. Hillary found out what happens when you cross swords with him. He is still president and she is the one that has lost. I know she wishes she never poked the bear. The democrats can give the credit to Trump all they want but it is a person like Putin who knows how to pull the political rug out from under an opponent. Trump winning was a matter of being in the right place at the right time.
 
They have done well stealing from the Russian people for their own personal gain

Another popular Russia conspiracy. I have seen no actual indication that this is true, just a bunch of conspiracy nuts claiming it is.
 
Can you not even admit the Putin government has done well regarding the interest of Russia and the Russian people? Try to understand it from their side.

Putin has decimated real democracy in Russia. He has severely curtailed independent media and individual free speech. Official corruption is massive and unchecked. He has stolen neighboring territory (Crimea) that is Ukrainian and invaded the same nation (Donbas). He has needlessly subjected his nation to punishing sanctions (6% of GDP for the past four years). Russia is currently falling into a recession. Western investment has fled. Putin is pouring Russian rubles into militarization which leaves not enough money for pay raises and retirement pensions etc. He is assassinating Russians both at home and abroad and with banned weapons (radiation poisoning/nerve agents). His popularity in Russia is now at 32%. What such a dismal number usually implies is an imminent Putin military aggression somewhere in Europe or a closing of the Kerch Strait/Sea of Azov. The Putin regime is authoritarian and approaching a dictatorship. His latest assault on freedom was a nationwide test to close the Internet to Russians.
 
Putin has decimated real democracy in Russia. He has severely curtailed independent media and individual free speech. Official corruption is massive and unchecked. He has stolen neighboring territory (Crimea) that is Ukrainian and invaded the same nation (Donbas). He has needlessly subjected his nation to punishing sanctions (6% of GDP for the past four years). Russia is currently falling into a recession. Western investment has fled. Putin is pouring Russian rubles into militarization which leaves not enough money for pay raises and retirement pensions etc. He is assassinating Russians both at home and abroad and with banned weapons (radiation poisoning/nerve agents). His popularity in Russia is now at 32%. What such a dismal number usually implies is an imminent Putin military aggression somewhere in Europe or a closing of the Kerch Strait/Sea of Azov. The Putin regime is authoritarian and approaching a dictatorship. His latest assault on freedom was a nationwide test to close the Internet to Russians.

So, you don't think Russia and Russians are better off now than they were before Putin? Looking away from external factors, is Russia also not better of the last 5-6 years? How about Russias ability to protect their interests?

Take Ukraine for example, the Russian answer to western imperialism and NATO takeover of Ukraine, was to firmly protect their interest and assert their interests, and maintain this despite unprecedented external pressure, including complete propaganda and many lies. And how about Russia stopping the US war in Syria? Does this not make Russia a protector of international law? Of which they speak highly, unlike the US who do not respect international law. Has Russia not become a counterweight to the US and guaranteer of international law in a time where some countries show complete contempt of the interests of other countries and want to try to act as a global dictator..

Anyways, I think Russia has done alot better under Putin, as far as I know this is an undeniable truth. They also act as a stopping power to US global abuse, and as such protect the interest of other countries. Things Russia do "wrong" also has to be seen in context of other things, not isolated. Putin and his government makes firm stances against the criminal deconstruction of society that is going on in the US and European countries, and as such is the only government who protect the interests of it's people instead of perpetuating the deconstruction against the will of the people as is going on in Europe and the US. Unlike leaders in Europe and the US, Putin respect the history, tradition and culture of his nation, and stand firmly up for these things instead of destroying them like European and US governments are doing.

So, I'm not sure you are right about your assertions about Russia. You seem not to understand the bigger picture here, and just rant on about things seeing them in some old fashion and outdated worldview. No country has democracy, with the exception of Switzerland, this is the truth. The old worldview says that European countries and the US are democracies, while they in fact are not. And what is freedom? Really? How about the freedom to be protected from tyrannical governments who destroy your nations culture, undermine it's traditions and redact it's history. Is this not important at all? Are those "freedoms" not more important than some other freedoms, or can governments do anything they want as long as it does not go against some old fashion view of what freedom and democracy is?

Ofcourse, Russia also does not have democracy, but for other countries without democracy to condemn Russia for the same thing they do, is ridiculous. You have to start viewing the world in light of the truth, not some old fables you have been told is the reality, and I think as a person living (probably) in either Europe or the US, you should be far more concerned with the situation in your own country, than that of Russia where you do not live. Our societies are in an epic crisis, and all you care about is Russia?

This might determine the collapse of our society if nothing is done, yet all you care about is Russia? Why not wake up to the reality closer to home? Millions and millions of people already have, and more keep waking up every day.

But hey, it's comfortable to be in denial and use Russia as some bogeyman to keep staying in denial. Afterall, that's what you and most people have been told to do, and that's what many still do. But alot of people woke up, and no longer believe the lies they are being told or the "reality" dictated onto them and repeated on a daily basis.
 

It all just happened after the Russians said no to the homosexuals. The buildup to the olympics was a disaster, but despite that the olympics were great. There was constant propaganda against the olympics due to the whole gay issue. I think it's pretty clear by now that the great tyrant is homosexual.
 
It all just happened after the Russians said no to the homosexuals. The buildup to the olympics was a disaster, but despite that the olympics were great. There was constant propaganda against the olympics due to the whole gay issue. I think it's pretty clear by now that the great tyrant is homosexual.

So you didnt even read the links did you?
Thats is the only way you coudl pretend they were abo homosexuality and not putin and his cronmeis steraling from the Russian people

So are you really that in love with Putin or are you on the payroall?
 
So you didnt even read the links did you?
Thats is the only way you coudl pretend they were abo homosexuality and not putin and his cronmeis steraling from the Russian people

So are you really that in love with Putin or are you on the payroall?

No, I didn't, but I know what it is about. I follow some sports, and that included Sochi Olympics. I know all the controversy, but I did not see it in the perspective our media told us to see it, I saw it in the perspective of events surrounding it, including that homosexuality case and all the lies and propaganda that followed. It's quite clear that there is some dictat high up that forcefully want to ram homosexuality down the throat of society (no pun intended), and it was quite clear what happened when Russia said no to all those things.

I side with Russia on the issue, and against the sick direction my nation has taken. I don't care about homosexuality frankly, but now they want to smudge it all over our society and force some rather sick thoughts onto children and the society, and change everything, including our language. So yes, I believe there is some kind of conspiracy in regards to homosexuaity and that agenda, one that clearly go against the wishes of most people, and is dictated onto society by some kind of tyrants. Who knows who that is, but I have a feeling it's a great tyrants, and that the tyrant is a homosexual. It's not the only agenda, it's only one of a few agendas to ruin our societies.

I don't know Putin is stealing from the Russian people, it does not strike me as more likely than Obama stealing from the American people, so I don't actually care. It's a conspiracy theory with no strong indications to support it. And taken into consideration the propaganda and lies against Russia, frankly I have to assume it's just part of that propaganda campaign. That seems the most reasonable and logical explanation. But, I'm open to all options, but I'll choose to believe the one that makes most sense, is most likely and backed up with most logical support.

Paranoid much? As soon as someone don't agree with you they are Russians? They are agents of Putin? I know paranoia is cripping our societies at the moment, it has been put out there by our politicians and our media, but there is no reason to be part of that. I'm not in love with Putin, what makes you think that? Just because I don't view things like our media and politicians want us to, you think I'm on some kind of payroll. Who's actually on the payroll here, that I wonder. Projection? Blaming others for what you do? Pre-emptive lies that reflect your own true reality? Or do you just believe anything that the obvious crooks and monsters in our government and media tells you?

I sure don't, it's proven beyond clarity that our power system is abhorrently corrupt, an actual tyranny that tries to be global, and keeps spreading lies to us. It's very clear, the truth. So, who's side are you on? The side of truth or some other side? Or do you just don't get it yet?
 
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No, I didn't,

Intentional ignorance wont change the fact that Putin is corrupt and steals from the Rfussian people

So are you really that in love with Putin or are you on the payroall?
 
Well Putin decriminalized it in Russia, and incidents increased multiple times over previous years. And there is also a movement to completely legalize it. So wife and child beating is very popular in Russia. And here is even more info.

They are not conspiracy theories if they are true and in the case of Russia they almost always are.

Wife beating is a "conservative value."

"Russian legislators stood by their decision citing the need to preserve traditional and conservative values - where what happens within the family stays there."
 
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