How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?[W:59]

[calamity]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Weren't you talking about your spouse, not someone you left?

Spouse I left.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

I know. Leaving indicates abandonment. But, staying just sets you up for a DV charge or worse. If a guy does stay, he needs be on his guard. Definitely never drink. Cops will arrest you in a minute if wife says you hit her and they find you have been drinking, for example.

Some people wind up shot.

I've read from others, that in that situation, you should have a recorder set on you at all times, even in single party states.

 

[Henrin]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Spouse I left.

Sounds like you need to avoid crazy better.

 

[calamity]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Sounds like you need to avoid crazy better.

Like I said, you apparently have not left any women. Some in both sexes tend to go a bit nuts when they get tossed to the curb.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Feminism is a joke. Mainly because women don't understand that they are the majority in the population. They also don't realize their movement was long ago hijacked by left wing pandering democrats. "My body, my choice...to piss my pants rather than fight back against an attacker."

The way that feminists have responded to the "rape culture" thing says it all. A real feminist probably wouldn't find themselves in agreement with a self avowed feminist.

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What an oddly emasculated reaction to feminism. What's got you feeling so threatened, honey?

 

[Henrin]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Like I said, you apparently have not left any women. Some in both sexes tend to go a bit nuts when they get tossed to the curb.

Crazy doesn't just pop up for the first time when you break up.

 

[jimithyashford]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

They fought for sexual liberation, which is effectively fighting for that result. Did they protest when women decided to pose nude in playboy? What about when they started to dress like sex objects? What about objecting to women doing porn? What about speaking negatively to women uploading naked pictures of themselves to websites? Did any of that stuff happen? No. Why is that? Maybe because they saw it as sexual liberation. So I guess when a woman walks around doing her best to present herself as a sex object society isn't supposed to respond by thinking of her as a sex object. This is the don't call me a whore because I act like whore conversation all over again.

So if women want to have sexual freedom and sexual liberty and to express themselves as sexual creatures, then it is their own fault if they get sexually objectified, they brought it on themselves? Like men have no control over whether or not they sexually objectify women, men can't just "switch it off" and choose not to objectify women, if women are sexually expressive then men will objectify them and that is women's fault?

 

[Henrin]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

So if women want to have sexual freedom and sexual liberty and to express themselves as sexual creatures, then it is their own fault if they get sexually objectified, they brought it on themselves? Like men have no control over whether or not they sexually objectify women, men can't just "switch it off" and choose not to objectify women, if women are sexually expressive then men will objectify them and that is women's fault?

When your intent to wear a certain article of clothing to show off your camel toe it's a bit absurd to complain about being seen as a sexual object. It's like announcing to the world that you're a slut and then getting mad when people agree with you.

 

[jimithyashford]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

If the those "MRA" issues happened to you and you found a community that revolved around it, you'd bitch about it to.

I do know.
The primary way I got introduced to MRA issues, is because I witnessed them happen to my neighbor.
He was booted out of his home over false DV allegations, while his spouse sold all his possessions (including heavy work equipment) to fuel her 6 month drug spiral.

He had virtually no legal recourse to this.
I think if anything similar happened to me, I'd be furious and I'd look for a group willing to listen to me.

The problem with MRA is that they throw all this at the feet of women, as if women are in particular bad or mean or the problem.

Look, the world is full of assholes right? There are a lot of vindictive, mean, and dickish people in this world, right? We all encounter at least a few in outr day to day lives, and at some point in our life we probably each end up with a few very close to us, romantically involved with someone who is that way, an inlaw, a sibling, a neighbor, whatever. That is just part of life, you occasionally cross paths with terrible people and occasionally your paths become intertwined.

But why is that a woman problem? I mean women are about half of the population, so that means about half of the ****ty miserable asshole people out there in the world will probably be women, and about half of the terrible vindictive jerk things that happen, will be done by women. Right? That makes sense.

So I dont doubt that these guys had a woman do something terrible to them, sure, but they get together in a big giant resentful hateful group and pretend like women are the enemy and women are the problem when in fact there are just as many (if not more) men out there all over the world doing terrible cruel vindictive **** to women and to other men all the time every day. Cruel people who will screw you over is a HUMAN thing, not a WOMAN thing, and yet these resentful hurt peple throw all of their problems at the feet of Womanhood in general as if womanhood is out to get them, when that just is not the case.


And again, you are the one who said that woman criticizing is not hating, and I replied that the way that they talk about women in those forums is certainly hateful, at least speaking for myself that is the way I talk about people I hate. You seem to have conceded that point.

 

[jimithyashford]

Again. No evidence to support your claim.

Judge. I have no evidence but I can tell you that I find it compelling blah blah blah... I have self represented in Court twice.

And won.

You lose. Bye.

If that's how you think a productive conversation goes then ok, I will keep that in mind for future interactions with you.

And yeah, there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence and argument to be made for rape culture, if you are really interested we can have that discussion, I am pefectly willing to go into it with any good faith participant, but if you aren't even willing to imagine or speculate about what might change your mind, not even hypothetically engage with the concept, then I suspect the conversation would be fruitless.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

The problem with MRA is that they throw all this at the feet of women, as if women are in particular bad or mean or the problem.

Look, the world is full of assholes right? There are a lot of vindictive, mean, and dickish people in this world, right? We all encounter at least a few in outr day to day lives, and at some point in our life we probably each end up with a few very close to us, romantically involved with someone who is that way, an inlaw, a sibling, a neighbor, whatever. That is just part of life, you occasionally cross paths with terrible people and occasionally your paths become intertwined.

But why is that a woman problem? I mean women are about half of the population, so that means about half of the ****ty miserable asshole people out there in the world will probably be women, and about half of the terrible vindictive jerk things that happen, will be done by women. Right? That makes sense.

So I dont doubt that these guys had a woman do something terrible to them, sure, but they get together in a big giant resentful hateful group and pretend like women are the enemy and women are the problem when in fact there are just as many (if not more) men out there all over the world doing terrible cruel vindictive **** to women and to other men all the time every day. Cruel people who will screw you over is a HUMAN thing, not a WOMAN thing, and yet these resentful hurt peple throw all of their problems at the feet of Womanhood in general as if womanhood is out to get them, when that just is not the case.


And again, you are the one who said that woman criticizing is not hating, and I replied that the way that they talk about women in those forums is certainly hateful, at least speaking for myself that is the way I talk about people I hate. You seem to have conceded that point.

I suspect that most of the people who congregate there have felt wronged by a woman and thus will express this.
It's completely healthy for like minded individuals to find support among each other, even if it's just to vent.

Assholes come in all forms, of course, but the actual power dynamics, that MRAs are against, often vastely favor women.
It's hardly debatable and it's highly unjust.
They often have every right and are completely justified in being angry.

To further this, what is the primary linchpin of feminism, patriarchy theory.
Which blames an entire gender (the patriarchy) and it's solution is the other gender (feminism).
If it's not a supremacy ideology, it sure does masquerade as one.

When you pathologize an entire group of people, because of immutable characteristics (like gender), you're bound to get significant push back and anger.

 

[calamity]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Crazy doesn't just pop up for the first time when you break up.

Thank god. Otherwise the impending danger might have gone unnoticed.

 

[Henrin]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Thank god. Otherwise the impending danger might have gone unnoticed.

So the question becomes how long was the crazy known.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Like I said, you apparently have not left any women. Some in both sexes tend to go a bit nuts when they get tossed to the curb.

Or likely been with any.

 

[calamity]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

So the question becomes how long was the crazy known.

Signs show up now and then. However, the murderous nature of them only comes along once---and you better not miss it.

 

[Henrin]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Signs show up now and then. However, the murderous nature of them only comes along once---and you better not miss it.

You have to learn to pick up on the warning signs of crazy to avoid that crap. I have never been in a realtionship with a crazy bitch because I'm good at picking up on the crazy.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

You have to learn to pick up on the warning signs of crazy to avoid that crap. I have never been in a realtionship with a crazy bitch

Yes, men are less crazy.

 

[CLAX1911]

How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Likely because you aren't trying to be a victim.

 

[SCitizen]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Abusers come in all forms, of course, but the actual power dynamics, that MRAs are against, often vastely favor women.
It's hardly debatable and it's highly unjust.
They often have every right and are completely justified in being angry.

Millions of men realize that there is very much discrimination against men. More and more men are rejecting the idea that "real men" do not complain about injustice.

Of course #notallmen have been abused -- 70% have not. But knights who want to earn Favors from Queens may find themselves among the 30%.

 

[<alt>doxygen]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

So the question becomes how long was the crazy known.

I think we've all known people who have remained in abusive relationships longer than made any sense. I tended to run at the first sign of genuine crazy.

 

[nota bene]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

You have to learn to pick up on the warning signs of crazy to avoid that crap. I have never been in a realtionship with a crazy bitch because I'm good at picking up on the crazy.

Sometimes you can't predict how another will change because of, say, a catastrophic life event. I know someone who was married happily for almost nine years and then woke up one morning next to a monster.

 

[trouble13]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

No, I don't mean like give me a script for a reenactment, let me rephrase:

Ok so we both acknowledge that people can be mean/cruel/vindictive/assholic/diskish/hurtful/etc from time to time, correct?

What we disagree on is whether women display this behavior to some particularly high or noteworthy degree, particularly towards men, supposedly as some byproduct of feminism. I hold that I have not encountered and do not see any particular tendancy towards women being especially mean or vindictive in that way apart from and above the normal background levels of mean people you encounter out there in the world.

So what does this look like in practice? How much more often do I need to see a girl turn down a guy in a snide and hurtful way than see a guy turn down a girl in a snide and hurtful way to conclude that what you are saying is true? What should I be on the lookout for to recognize this special feminism induced cruelty as distinct from just encountered the occasional asshole of a person? Do you really see women being cruel and mean substantially more often than just the base human level of dickish behavior? If not, then what hallmarks of an encounter lead you to conclude it is special feminism nastiness and not just normal human nastiness?


See, it sounds to me like a case of confirmation bias, that people all over the world are dicks and mean and vindictive to each other all the time at a fairly consistent level across their cultures, but you've become sensitive to the notion that feminism has made women especially mean so you notice it more often and don't notice that they aren't any meaner, and in fact are probably less mean, than guys are (albeit in different flavors, like guys are more likely to be condescending as opposed to spiteful, but still same general goal of hurting the other person)

Im guessing you have never been through the court system or you would not be using phrases like confirmation bias.

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[jimithyashford]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

When your intent to wear a certain article of clothing to show off your camel toe it's a bit absurd to complain about being seen as a sexual object. It's like announcing to the world that you're a slut and then getting mad when people agree with you.

Ladies and gentlemen, rape culture right here. Henrin has erected the perfect example:

Women cannot express their sexuality or be sexual creatures without being objectified. If they express their sexuality and end up objectified then it's their own fault, not at all the fault of the men who objectified them, no, men really can't control that. If women don't want to be objectified then they should make damn sure they avoid the male gaze by covering up and not drawing attention to themselves.

And guess what, once you start to objectify a person, undermine their autonomy, and then go the extra step to say they brought it on themselves.....then doing bad things to them, and justifying the bad things other people do to them, becomes much easier.

Rape Culture, right there.

Now I dont expect any of this to actualy convince or make a different to ole Henrin here himself, he is obviously completely beyond reason, but I would like other more reasonable people to look at this man, look at the things he says, and see an embodiment of what people are talking about when they talk about sexism and rape culture and how these things still exist and are a problem.

Here is a man who will say that women should have no say on what men do, that a man has no reason to even begin to care what women think. He will brag about not living with women anymore because they are picky about how he cleans the toilet. He will berate other men and call them faggo*ts and not real men because he disapproves of their pant size and how they groom their pubes. He will openly mock a young man at the gym for doing glute exercises because apparently doing butt exercises makes you a sissy or a f*g and then feels the need to come to an online forum and brag about having put that person in their place. He will insist that women invite, no not invite, practically demand objectification if they dare to dress sexy or express their sexuality, and that the consequences of that are things they brought on themselves. And who equates "acting like a girl" with being weak.

He is a walking embodiment of Toxic Masculinity (Boys have to wear certain hair styles and certain cloths and do only certain exercises at the gym or they deserve to be mocked and called f*gs) Fragile Masculinity (Things like tight pants and pubic grooming are an affront to manliness itself) Fragile Male Ego (having to clean a toilet the way my loved one wants is insufferable and cannot be lived with) Condescension to Women (Why should a man even begin to care what a woman thinks/acting like a woman is a sign of weakness) and Objectification of Women (If women dress sexy men can't help but objectify them, they bring it on themselves)

It should not take an incredible stretch of the imagination to see that a world with millions of Henrins in it, a world with a bunch of people that hold specific ideals of ultra masculinity, who will shame and mock and yell "fagg*t" at men who don't meet that standard, and who actively dismiss, belittle, and objectify women, how this kind of behavior and cultural standard might, juuust might, lead to an environment that makes sexual assault significantly more likely to occur, and significantly more likely to be minimized or dismissed when it does happen.

 

[jimithyashford]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Like all of that sexing her up we are supposed to do to get to that "enthusiastic YES!" we are supposed to be aiming for.

**** that noise, I know faster ways.

What are you talking about.......I really hope you aren't going where I think you're going, but really damn near anything down that road is gross.

Care to elaborate or explain what exactly is wrong with the notion of the enthusiastic yes?

 

[jimithyashford]

Re: How Have I Avoided being Victimized by Feminism?

Im guessing you have never been through the court system or you would not be using phrases like confirmation bias.

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Do you have a meaningful reply to the content you quoted? Seems to be a nonsequitor.