How Do You Feel About American Nationalism???

[katzgar]

Make that a proud trump agenda pusher

I don't have the stomach for that level of crap

 

[Politiqz]

We have had periods of intense immigration and periods of rest while we assimilated the new people

The chinese, the irish, the italians and other Roman Catholics were not initially welcome but in time became Americans

So can others from the 3rd world today

When they come here we - meaning conservatives - want them to assimilate by adopting English and our democratic principles and American values

In that case skin color does not matter, its attitude that counts

Mac, if that is really true, then America is dead. All that you have to hope for then is a future country. And from the looks of things, that isn't ever going to come about.

 

[Mac77]

Mac, if that is really true, then America is dead. All that you have to hope for then is a future country. And from the looks of things, that isn't ever going to come about.

I think every people in the world are capable of being Americans

But only if we limit the number of immigrants to a very small percantage of the total population

It is too rapid immigration that is causing problems

 

[JackA]

Hi Everyone, new poster here.

#Nazi #Trumpers #Alt-Right #Racist# Not really, but let's just get the accusations out of the way now.


I would like to know how you feel about a possible American Nationalist movement. Are you opposed to this and why? Do you find it dangerous, disgusting, immoral, or impractical? I am particularly interested in hearing from people who are left or center and dislike the idea.

A quick caveat is in order. I am not aware of any "American Nationalist" movement at the present. I am not talking about a movement such as what we have seen with the Alt-Right, the Alt-Light, or the Trumpers. When I talk about "American Nationalism" I mean it in the same sense as English Nationalism or Korean Nationalism. Firstly, there is an American people. Secondly, America is the geographic homeland of that people. Thirdly, the United States exists for the benefit of the American people and none other.


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Now, here are a few positions that are part of my version of American Nationalism.

1. By "Americans" I am referring to the White people who are part of the Anglo culture. People who have immigrated from other countries such as Sweden or France, for example, are not part of the "American People".

2. I am not talking about White nationalism. Minorities would would be encouraged to intermarry with Whites and to assimilate into the American culture.

3. White Western culture is superior to many cultures around the world (e.g., Islam, Indian culture/Hinduism, etc.).

4. Minorities wouldn't have special privileges any more, otherwise things would be the same legally.

5. I oppose feminism, gay/trans liberation, black liberation, and any other "liberation" movement which is against the traditional nuclear family or hostile to Whites. At the same time, there must be equal rights for gays, women, etc.

6. The failure of minorities to adopt the American culture is the reason for their distress. Whatever the causes for that, Americans are not to blame.

7. I am against all large scale immigration (legal and illegal) because it challenges American identity and the integrity of the culture. It causes many serious social problems on top of that.

Musings from deep in la la land.

 

[PoS]

Turn the other cheek?

No, I'm not a good Christian in that respect

So you dont follow christian values yet you demand others must conform to them? Textbook example of hypocrisy.

 

[Mac77]

So you dont follow christian values yet you demand others must conform to them? Textbook example of hypocrisy.

Only Jesus is perfect

 

[Politiqz]

I think every people in the world are capable of being Americans

But only if we limit the number of immigrants to a very small percantage of the total population

It is too rapid immigration that is causing problems

I don't agree with you at all. Clearly they are not. But let's say that were true.
Do you want all people to come here and become Americans? And if so, why?

I don't. I don't want all people in the world to go to Japan and become Japanese, presuming that were even possible. I don't want that to happen to Colombia, or Uganda either.

 

[independentusa]

Well to tell you the truth, sounds like racism to me, but then what do I know.

 

[FastPace]

I don't agree with you at all. Clearly they are not. But let's say that were true.
Do you want all people to come here and become Americans? And if so, why?

I don't. I don't want all people in the world to go to Japan and become Japanese, presuming that were even possible. I don't want that to happen to Colombia, or Uganda either.

Both American Democrats and American Republicans subscribe to American exceptionalism. That is a unique form of nationalism for the United Statesian. Hillary Clinton, Obama, Bush all promoted that aspect of nationalism.

American Exceptionalism is at base basically the idea that every country on earth has to follow universal rules except for United Statesians (aka Americans) due to some divine-like destiny the United Statesian has to rule and convert the world with "American" mores.

The globalist in Western Europe and the USA use "Americans" emotional attachment to "American Exceptionalism" to advance globalist agendas across the world with the US military and NATO, and the US political machine.. That seems to be what your issue is with. Trump claimed to have wanted to promote a more universal common view of nationalism for the people of the USA: worry about your on back yard rather than launching crusades of conquest and conversions across the earth.

The problem is--which you don't get and in a sense neither does Trump--is the USA is an extremely divided nation with no true nationality sense (globalist have attacked it to further divisions). You know... many years ago back when the USA was even more united than it is now, I had two separate college professors both from Civil Rights era both remark the same thing in two totally separate courses. That being that in their words: "The United States is more divided than in the 1960s and has never been so divided since the US Civil War". One was black that said that. The other was white that said it. And that was two different courses. The white one went on to say, "No country can continually sustain this level of division and last as a superpower, either a country unites or it collapses." And that was years before Trump. The country is waaaaaaay more divided now.

The United States will collapse and from within.

Brazil is nationalistic. Very so. And much of it liberal. But they differ from American liberals suckered by globalist in a very important way. In Brazilian nationalism everyone is expected to become Brazilian. And they do so well that few in the USA even realize Brazil has the most Japanese out side of Japan, the most Arab Lebanese population outside of Lebanon, the most Italians outside of Italy. Brazilians are Brazilians first. That means you adopt to their damned culture when you move there. You assimilate into their culture and mores.

The only remedy for the United States is civil war. And in the mean time the oligarchs are going to suck you all dry. They will launch more wars. They'll promote more division to keep that going anyways. All they have to do is get liberals to attack a "value" or "more" that even they had just accepted as "American." And the tribal hatreds will continue.






So, contrary to what you are talking about, I might get myself a 28 year-old, or 38 year-old, or 48 year-old, or 58 year-old white Bulgarian wife from Bulgaria and bring her here to the USA. Or a black Ghanian wife, or South East Asian wife, or some impoverished 58 year-old Latina in Venezuela. And watch the final act of the great collapse/decline.

 

[danarhea]

I was actually going to at an 8th and 9th point that relate to your concern.

#8. American Nationalism is NOT corpratism. The people come first, not the interests of the lobbyists and the billionaires.

#9. This isn't Patriotism. Patriots may be loyal to their government, or more often, to the constitution. Loyalty under nationalism is to the people, not the country or an abstract creed.

The Constitution an abstract creed? Oh hell no.