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How can love be wrong? [W:713]

Re: How can love be wrong?

phattonez said:
Yes, I love my friends but I'm not going to have children with them. The relationship that I have with my wife is unique, and what sets it apart more than anything else is the procreative aspect of it.
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i guess that's a big difference since love and even seuxl atraction and chidl raising are all things you share with gay couples

not sure why its an important difference though
 
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phattonez said:
You're mixing up concepts here. Anyone can engage in self-sacrificial love. However, engaging in sex PURELY for pleasure simply is self-interest and thus is incompatible with the selfless love that ought to be characteristic of married couples. Homosexual sex by nature cannot produce children and is engaged in PURELY for pleasure. As such, it is incapable of selfless love, and can in no way be compared to the love of married couples. It's lust, pure and simple.
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you know having kids because you want them is also selfish

you know having kids because that was an unitiedent consequence of your sex is still lust

so i can conpare a hetero and homosecil couple in love hainvg sex and its mutch the same

and indshingble emotionally

only gay couples who want to raise kids together don't get fun time with their spuce as part of the process so thy don't seem any more selfish
 
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phattonez said:
Great, so then we're agreed that lust has no place in marriage!
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um no wanting to **** your spouse seems fine even dersible for a marriage
 
Re: How can love be wrong?

phattonez said:
That's pretty pathetic. Why do you think that encouraging the same emotion that men have when cheating on their wives is a good thing for a family?
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why do you think same sex couples are any more lustier then hetero sexul ones im wiht my gf becase i wanted sex we are still together now 8 years later because we want to be together

( still want sex though )

the lust was natural no one encouraged it and nothing you say diminishes it so you cant discourage it
 
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phattonez said:
You certainly do. You made the claim. If you don't back it up, I'm free to dismiss it.

As for the Talmud, ha. It and I don't get along for very obvious reasons.
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hey god if you exist and phattones is not full of **** about what you want could you let me know?


nope nothing looks like you have no connection to any one divine
 
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phattonez said:
No, either you want to embrace your wife with the intent of possibly producing children, or you're only interested in your own selfish pleasure. These are mutually exclusive desires.
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no they are not you could want kids and some good ( hopefully) sex
 
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phattonez said:
Given the imperative of lust, what is the difference? If you are only interested in sexual pleasure and you can derive greater sexual pleasure from someone who isn't your wife, and you're fueled by lust, what's going to stop you?
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good reason not to marry someone you don't love

but if you like sex hopefully you feel lust towards anyone you marry
 
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phattonez said:
Because lust is a selfish desire. It is interest only in your own selfish pleasure. Lust and love are incompatible. Should selfish desires be something that we encourage in a marriage?



No, it's irrelevant to this topic.
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lust exists to encourage sex because that helped with reproduction

its fine to lust after someone who you cant have kids with but that is the explanation for it
 
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phattonez said:
But the difference is the motivation. With lust you're motivated by your own personal pleasure. With love you are interested in the embrace, the bond, and the possibility of fruitful reproduction.
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not sure why the 3rd trait is needed for love?
 
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phattonez said:
A desire to give someone else pleasure isn't lust, is it?
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it is its also one of the best things iv ever felt so that seems good to me
 
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Logicman said:
The title of this thread is "How can love be wrong"?

How about love between two adulterers? Yeah, God must be real happy with that one, LOL.
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but he the subject was gay couples yes you can find cases where 2 people living 1 another can have things wrong with it

yet to be show clearly why we should have problem with same sex couples

gods dont seem to exist so they could be happy with double adultery i suppose
 
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TheParser said:
While surfing the TV channels yesterday, I came across Ellen, whose show I never watch.

She was showing a video of her and Portia vacationing on an island in the Pacific Ocean.

I forgot her political views (with which I disagree) when her gentle humor and apparent genuine love for Portia touched my heart.


*****

I find it so sad there are some people who would verbally or legally or even physically attack two women (or two men) who are fortunate enough to find their true love.
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Well to be honest sometimes love can be wrong that's why there's breakups.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Unfortunately, there are people that choose to only focus on that aspect, so they try to make it seem like that's all that defines us.
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That is indeed unfortunate.
Unfortunate for those that define themselves that way, and unfortunate for those who only see that aspect alone.

FORTUNATELY, most of us humans are not that way, as is Ellen.
 
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lurchadams said:
So If my wife's pleasure is important to me and I truly desire to please her, sexually as well as myself, and not just to procreate, how do you explain that?
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Yeah, I don't understand this "selfish" line of rhetoric. I care about my girlfriend's pleasure, just as much as I care about mine. It's not fun if it's just me enjoying it. And the same goes for plenty of other couples out there that have sex.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Yeah, I don't understand this "selfish" line of rhetoric. I care about my girlfriend's pleasure, just as much as I care about mine. It's not fun if it's just me enjoying it. And the same goes for plenty of other couples out there that have sex.
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I think what he's trying to say is that when we have sex, we need to be pleasure-deprived automatons with one objective - to make babies. Sweet, huh?
 
Re: How can love be wrong?

lurchadams said:
I think what he's trying to say is that when we have sex, we need to be pleasure-deprived automatons with one objective - to make babies. Sweet, huh?
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Sounds awesome.
 
Re: How can love be wrong?

TheGoverness said:
Sounds awesome.
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Speaking for myself, I guess I happily will remain a sinner. I had "the operation" after our last child - snip, snip, hooray!
 
Re: How can love be wrong?

blarg said:
but he the subject was gay couples yes you can find cases where 2 people living 1 another can have things wrong with it

yet to be show clearly why we should have problem with same sex couples

gods dont seem to exist so they could be happy with double adultery i suppose
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If you want to apply "love can't be wrong" to gay couples then here is the rejoinder:

For the record,

"Love does not rejoice in iniquity (sin)" - 1 Corinthians 13

And,

"Love does no harm to a neighbor" - Romans 13:10 (Love does no harm to a neighbor, like enticing one's neighbor into a sinful relationship for which there are negative temporal and eternal consequences)

So, nice try but no cigar.
 
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phattonez said:
There is always hope for the infertile to get pregnant. There is no such hope for homosexual sex.

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What about women who have passed the menopause? My lady friend cannot conceive. Should we stop having sex?
 
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