How can love be wrong? [W:713]

[CLAX1911]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Quote...

" unless they tell you they're gay. "

Again I will explain the "facts". This isn't a big deal unless you make it.

The fact that your love is conditional I just find sad. My mother lost a son and the emptiness from that eats at her. The idea that you would throw one away because he tells you something makes me almost sick.

Why dont you get a dog instead? If it does something you don't like you can just put it down.

 

[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Because lust is a selfish desire. It is interest only in your own selfish pleasure. Lust and love are incompatible. Should selfish desires be something that we encourage in a marriage?



No, it's irrelevant to this topic.

A man being entitled to sex with his wife if she says no is completely relevant to this topic. Obviously you dont want to answer it.

And lust is not selfish at all. Men give women pleasure. Women give men pleasure. And that in return gives them pleasure.

It can be selfish, but then we're back to force, cheating, etc.

 

[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

But the difference is the motivation. With lust you're motivated by your own personal pleasure. With love you are interested in the embrace, the bond, and the possibility of fruitful reproduction.

Wrong. ALL people feel lust.(almost all I guess)

Married couples that stop having sex still love each other as much.

Love and lust are not the same thing. But some men and women enjoy giving that pleasure TO their partner. It's not selfish. It's shared.

 

[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Prove it. You're making a claim with no evidence here.

?? Sexual attraction...lust...is why a man's penis floods with blood and gets hard and it also releases mucus in women for lubrication so that we can enjoy sex more.

Did you not take high school health class?

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: How can love be wrong?

I will explain the facts of life when he's old enough to understand.

the fact of life that your dad will hate you if you say this is a pretty sad fact.

When a parent loses a child they are left with an emptiness that will be with them for the rest of their life and nothing makes it better.

I just think it's sad that you would throw one away over them telling you something.

 

[phattonez]

Re: How can love be wrong?

A man being entitled to sex with his wife if she says no is completely relevant to this topic. Obviously you dont want to answer it.

How does it relate?

And lust is not selfish at all. Men give women pleasure. Women give men pleasure. And that in return gives them pleasure.

It can be selfish, but then we're back to force, cheating, etc.

If you're fueled by lust and you don't derive pleasure from sex, then are you going to want to engage in it? That shows pretty clearly that lust is absolutely selfish.

 

[phattonez]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Wrong. ALL people feel lust.(almost all I guess)

Married couples that stop having sex still love each other as much.

Love and lust are not the same thing. But some men and women enjoy giving that pleasure TO their partner. It's not selfish. It's shared.

A desire to give someone else pleasure isn't lust, is it?

 

[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

?? Sexual attraction...lust...is why a man's penis floods with blood and gets hard and it also releases mucus in women for lubrication so that we can enjoy sex more.

Did you not take high school health class?

Now, please answer the questions:

Why shouldnt both husbands and wives enjoy their lust...by having sex?

Can men get it up without feeling lust? Probably but it's not easy. Are you saying men should struggle and pretend just to get it up ONLY to procreate with their wives? Wow, how miserable does that sound?

And that lust is what enables women to get wet, to be lubricated, so that we can enjoy sex. Again, are you saying married people shouldnt enjoy sex?

Please, again, explain why lust is wrong? [[since we already covered that it's not necessarily selfish at all]]

Lack of self control is wrong. Cheating is wrong. Force is wrong. Lust is great in the appropriate setting.

 

[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

A desire to give someone else pleasure isn't lust, is it?

GIving sexual pleasure is part of lust.

 

[phattonez]

Re: How can love be wrong?

?? Sexual attraction...lust...is why a man's penis floods with blood and gets hard and it also releases mucus in women for lubrication so that we can enjoy sex more.

Did you not take high school health class?

Lust isn't simple arousal. See this fine definition from Wikipedia:

St. Thomas Aquinas defines the sin of Lust in questions 153 and 154 of his Summa Theologica. Aquinas says the sin of lust is of "voluptuous emotions," and makes the point that sexual pleasures, "unloosen the human spirit," and set aside right reason (Pg.191). Aquinas restricts lust's subject matter to physical desires specifically arising from sexual acts, but Aquinas does not assume all sex-acts are sinful. Sex is not a sin in marriage, because sex is the only way for humans to reproduce. If sex is used naturally and the end purpose is reproduction there is no sin. Aquinas says, "if the end be good and if what is done is well-adapted to that, then no sin is present," (Pg.193). However, sex simply for the sake of pleasure is lustful and therefore, a sin. A man who uses his body for lechery wrongs the Lord.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: How can love be wrong?

GIving sexual pleasure is part of lust.

Frighteningly enough, it seems not for everyone. I don't mean that as a shot at anyone, I mean I've heard and people use terminology; yikes.

 

[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

How does it relate?


If you're fueled by lust and you don't derive pleasure from sex, then are you going to want to engage in it? That shows pretty clearly that lust is absolutely selfish.

If you dont derive pleasure from sex, you dont feel lust. Lust is the drive for something enjoyable. I said it's shared. But giving sexual pleasure also gives some people sexual gratification.

Did you say you're married? Does your wife enjoy sex? Do you? Are you glad your wife enjoys sex or you dont care?

And the entitlement to force sex on your wife goes right along with your belief that there is no point to marriage or sex if not to procreate.

So...is a man entitled to force his wife to have sex with him?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Re: How can love be wrong?

No, either you want to embrace your wife with the intent of possibly producing children, or you're only interested in your own selfish pleasure. These are mutually exclusive desires.

Wrong. A laughable and rather pathetic false dichotomy. You'll now understand if I don't believe that you're even married or ever have been.

You seem to have no clue how either a marriage or even sex works.

 

[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Lust isn't simple arousal. See this fine definition from Wikipedia:

How about a 'real' definition:

Noun:
strong*desire

Verb
to have a*strong*desire*for something

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/lust

 

[Jredbaron96]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Yes, I love my friends but I'm not going to have children with them. The relationship that I have with my wife is unique, and what sets it apart more than anything else is the procreative aspect of it.

You can also romantically love someone and not have kids.

You can also have kids while being terrible parents.

 

[Lovebug]

Re: How can love be wrong?

And when a man engages in sex solely for his own personal pleasure, can that be called love?

Many men who engage in sex for pleasure are heterosexual. What's your point?

 

[phattonez]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Many men who engage in sex for pleasure are heterosexual. What's your point?

Homosexuals don't get pleasure from sodomy?

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[phattonez]

Re: How can love be wrong?

You can also romantically love someone and not have kids.

You can also have kids while being terrible parents.

Okay? How does this change my contention about the fact that lust is inherent in homosexual relationships?

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[phattonez]

Re: How can love be wrong?

How about a 'real' definition:

I'm not going to argue about the definition. I've shown you what I mean when I use the term.

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[maquiscat]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Why do u need more than 1? Are they all not unique in your neck of the woods? Mine's, "Whiperwon't".

Trick question: while individuals might have their own unique safe words for use with their personal partners in private spaces, the community standard is "red" for stop and "yellow" for pausing when in a public play space. You would be hard pressed to find a major public play space that does not adhere to this standard.

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[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

I'm not going to argue about the definition. I've shown you what I mean when I use the term.

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Yes, and it's not a mainstream or even accurate definition. It is one founded in your religious beliefs.

And yet you imagine they apply to everyone :doh

 

[Lursa]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Okay? How does this change my contention about the fact that lust is inherent in homosexual relationships?

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Lust is inherent in all happy sexual relationships.

 

[lurchadams]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Trick question: while individuals might have their own unique safe words for use with their personal partners in private spaces, the community standard is "red" for stop and "yellow" for pausing when in a public play space. You would be hard pressed to find a major public play space that does not adhere to this standard.

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You're avoiding answering the obvious question. It must be an interesting one!

 

[maquiscat]

Re: How can love be wrong?

You're avoiding answering the obvious question. It must be an interesting one!

End program and freeze program for red and yellow respectively.

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[ALTOY459]

Re: How can love be wrong?

Who, exactly, are dying out?

This modernist ideology that you're pushing is deadly. These are the results.

damn lmao :lamo