How can Christians be said to be followers of God when they worship a trinity?

[Islam scholar]

Christians worship 3 gods - a, father, a son, and a holy spirit. How can Christians be said to worship the same God of Moses and the prophets, if they worship a "trinity", much like the polytheists and their false pantheons of gods?

 

[Angel]

Christians worship 3 gods - a, father, a son, and a holy spirit. How can Christians be said to worship the same God of Moses and the prophets, if they worship a "trinity", much like the polytheists and their false pantheons of gods?

My Gal Sal is a mother, a daughter, and a free spirit. Do I love 3 women?

 

[PTF]

I'm trying to find the punch line here.
Btw bub and I stand corrected...the Father,Son and Holy Spirit falls under one God.
How's your take on the Three Stooges ?

 

[Daisy]

Christians worship 3 gods - a, father, a son, and a holy spirit. How can Christians be said to worship the same God of Moses and the prophets, if they worship a "trinity", much like the polytheists and their false pantheons of gods?

Not all Christians do...JW's worship the only true God, Jehovah...

 

[Goshin]

Hiya bud.

I have an idea.


You do you.

I'll do me.

And we'll have coffee sometime and talk about who's gonna win the Super Bowl.


Works for me...

 

[SoulFire77]

Christians worship 3 gods - a, father, a son, and a holy spirit. How can Christians be said to worship the same God of Moses and the prophets, if they worship a "trinity", much like the polytheists and their false pantheons of gods?

God "the Father" is omnipresent and omnipotent. He is a Spirit that is everywhere. He took on a form for the purpose of creation... the "image" of a man who created people in that image. He walked with them in the garden, and sat with them in the fiery furnace. He was born into flesh as a human being - "the Son", who walked the earth, set an example, and paid the debt for our sins. He returns to you as "the Spirit" when you fully receive Him.

Usually, not long after you figure out who He is.

Does that sound like three Gods to you?

 

[Logicman]

Christians worship 3 gods - a, father, a son, and a holy spirit. How can Christians be said to worship the same God of Moses and the prophets, if they worship a "trinity", much like the polytheists and their false pantheons of gods?

ONE GOD - manifested in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the God of the Burning Bush (John 8:58, etc.).

You should also do a study on "THE Angel ("Messenger") of the Lord" so you can see it is Christ in the Burning Bush that Moses encountered.

THE Angel of the Lord

Angel of the LORD | Precept Austin

Excerpts:

"Angel in both Hebrew (malak) and Greek (aggelos or angelos) means a messenger and Jesus as the Word of God (Jn 1:1; Re 19:13-note) is the ultimate Messenger sent from the Father with a message of the good news of God's covenant love for sinful mankind..."

"Behold, I am going to send My messenger (Hebrew = malak = one sent on business or diplomacy by another; LXX = aggelos/angelos one sent to tell or bring a message, to announce or proclaim = transliterated "angel" and in context referring to John the Baptist, as affirmed by Jesus Himself in Lk 7:27) and he (John the Baptist) will clear the way before Me (the LORD of hosts) and the Lord (Hebrew = adon, LXX = referring in context to the Messiah), Whom you seek, will suddenly (Hebrew = pitom = unexpectedly, surprisingly, all of a sudden - somewhat an ironic word here because the Jews should have known the day of His visitation according to Lk 19:44), which they could have known by studying Da 9:24, 25, 26, 27 {see notes Da 9:24; 25; 26; 9:27}) come to His temple and the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, (Malak = "Angel"; and thus the "Angel of the Covenant") in Whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:1-see commentary)"

Malachi 3:1 is a prophecy about Jesus.

"I will send my messenger ("malak" - same word as angel), who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty."

 

[Angel]

How can Christians be said to be followers of God when they worship a trinity?

How can Materialists/Naturalists/Scientismists/New Atheists be said to be followers of Reason when they accept that Schrodinder's Cat is both dead and alive in the box?

 

[RAMOSS]

ONE GOD - manifested in three persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the God of the Burning Bush (John 8:58, etc.).

You should also do a study on "THE Angel ("Messenger") of the Lord" so you can see it is Christ in the Burning Bush that Moses encountered.

THE Angel of the Lord

Angel of the LORD | Precept Austin

Excerpts:

"Angel in both Hebrew (malak) and Greek (aggelos or angelos) means a messenger and Jesus as the Word of God (Jn 1:1; Re 19:13-note) is the ultimate Messenger sent from the Father with a message of the good news of God's covenant love for sinful mankind..."

"Behold, I am going to send My messenger (Hebrew = malak = one sent on business or diplomacy by another; LXX = aggelos/angelos one sent to tell or bring a message, to announce or proclaim = transliterated "angel" and in context referring to John the Baptist, as affirmed by Jesus Himself in Lk 7:27) and he (John the Baptist) will clear the way before Me (the LORD of hosts) and the Lord (Hebrew = adon, LXX = referring in context to the Messiah), Whom you seek, will suddenly (Hebrew = pitom = unexpectedly, surprisingly, all of a sudden - somewhat an ironic word here because the Jews should have known the day of His visitation according to Lk 19:44), which they could have known by studying Da 9:24, 25, 26, 27 {see notes Da 9:24; 25; 26; 9:27}) come to His temple and the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, (Malak = "Angel"; and thus the "Angel of the Covenant") in Whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:1-see commentary)"

Malachi 3:1 is a prophecy about Jesus.

"I will send my messenger ("malak" - same word as angel), who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty."

So you believe that anytime the word 'angel' is used, that's actually God?

 

[Logicman]

So you believe that anytime the word 'angel' is used, that's actually God?

Nope, that's apparently your worthless attempt to derail the synopsis.

Context, Ramoss. When a malak is identified as "THE Angel (messenger) of the Lord," and says and/or does the things only God can do, then pay attention.

It's "THE" Angel of the Lord" in the Burning Bush. Not 'an' angel.

You haven't fully studied the article, which is why you're in denial.

 

[yankintx]

God "the Father" is omnipresent and omnipotent. He is a Spirit that is everywhere. He took on a form for the purpose of creation... the "image" of a man who created people in that image. He walked with them in the garden, and sat with them in the fiery furnace. He was born into flesh as a human being - "the Son", who walked the earth, set an example, and paid the debt for our sins. He returns to you as "the Spirit" when you fully receive Him.

Usually, not long after you figure out who He is.

Does that sound like three Gods to you?

Goes to show how much the supposed expert on God actually knows about Christianity. The only sect of Christianity that still believes in the Holy Trinity are the Catholics. To lump them all together would be akin to lumping all the Muslim sects together and painting them with the same brush. The new guy on the Islam rant is going to go far here lol

 

[Logicman]

The only sect of Christianity that still believes in the Holy Trinity are the Catholics.

Incorrect. Baptists, Assemblies of God, Freedom Fellowship, The Church of Christ, Lutherans, and probably a thousand other denominations, STILL believe in the Trinity.

Jesus and the Holy Spirit, along with the Father, are all DIVINE.

 

[RAMOSS]

Nope, that's apparently your worthless attempt to derail the synopsis.

Context, Ramoss. When a malak is identified as "THE Angel (messenger) of the Lord," and says and/or does the things only God can do, then pay attention.

It's "THE" Angel of the Lord" in the Burning Bush. Not 'an' angel.

You haven't fully studied the article, which is why you're in denial.

That is sort of the problems with translation.. you like to emphases words that aren't implicit in the Hebrew. If, for example, you look at the 2004 JPS translation it says

Now Moses, tending the flock of his father-in-law
Jethro, the priest of Midian, drove the flock into the
wilderness, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 An
angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire out of
a bush. He gazed, and there was a bush all aflame, yet the
bush was not consumed.

It doesn't say 'Ha- mal'akh'. It just says mal'akh. You go build this huge explanation to fit your theology, and it's not even a good translation.

 

[Logicman]

That is sort of the problems with translation.. you like to emphases words that aren't implicit in the Hebrew. If, for example, you look at the 2004 JPS translation it says

It doesn't say 'Ha- mal'akh'. It just says mal'akh. You go build this huge explanation to fit your theology, and it's not even a good translation.

"And the angel of HaShem appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed." - Genesis 3:2, JPS Jewish Bible

Jewish Bible (JPS 1917) - Shemot Chapter 3

 

[RAMOSS]

"And the angel of HaShem appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed." - Genesis 3:2, JPS Jewish Bible

Jewish Bible (JPS 1917) - Shemot Chapter 3

Yes, that is the 1917 version. The problem with the 1917 version, which you would know if you had any kind of education in it... is that it was largely based on the KJV.

Now, here is the artscroll translation.

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9864#lt=primary

2. An angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from within the thorn bush, and behold, the thorn bush was burning with fire, but the thorn bush was not being consumed.

And here is the 1985 edition

Holy Bible

3:2 An angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire out of a bush. He gazed, and there was a bush all aflame, yet the bush was not consumed.

 

[Logicman]

Yes, that is the 1917 version. The problem with the 1917 version, which you would know if you had any kind of education in it... is that it was largely based on the KJV.

Now, here is the artscroll translation.

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/9864#lt=primary

Save your blather, Ramoss. You don't even believe in the God of Moses, and you're certainly no authority on THE Angel of the Lord.

So, what's you're left with is that there is a Jehovah Angel masquerading as God in the Burning Bush. Try that one with your JPS buddies, LOL.

 

[Daisy]

Goes to show how much the supposed expert on God actually knows about Christianity. The only sect of Christianity that still believes in the Holy Trinity are the Catholics. To lump them all together would be akin to lumping all the Muslim sects together and painting them with the same brush. The new guy on the Islam rant is going to go far here lol

Wow, are you misinformed...I talk to people of different faiths often and many Protestants believe in the trinity...

 

[RAMOSS]

Save your blather, Ramoss. You don't even believe in the God of Moses, and you're certainly no authority on THE Angel of the Lord.

So, what's you're left with is that there is a Jehovah Angel masquerading as God in the Burning Bush. Try that one with your JPS buddies, LOL.

You don't know what I believe. You make claims.. but you don't know. And, you use bad logic, bad translations, and come up with ideas that 90% of Christians won't accept.

 

[Logicman]

You don't know what I believe. You make claims.. but you don't know. And, you use bad logic, bad translations, and come up with ideas that 90% of Christians won't accept.

Ramoss, I have yet to see a Biblically-based Christian accept 2% of what you throw out.

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

Jesus is Lord!

 

[RAMOSS]

Ramoss, I have yet to see a Biblically-based Christian accept 2% of what you throw out.

"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14

Jesus is Lord!

The book called '1 Corinthains" does not matter to me. It's not part of my scripture . Exodus, however is in my book... and your religion purposely mistranslated it.

 

[nota bene]

Goes to show how much the supposed expert on God actually knows about Christianity. The only sect of Christianity that still believes in the Holy Trinity are the Catholics.

Holy Trinity - Religion Comparision

:3oops:

 

[Logicman]

The book called '1 Corinthains" does not matter to me. It's not part of my scripture . Exodus, however is in my book... and your religion purposely mistranslated it.

Nonsense. Not even Jewish Rabbi David Cooper agrees with you.

"The Torah teaches:

The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the middle of a bush. [Moses] looked and the bush burned with fire, but was not consumed. Moses said to himself, ‘I will stop, look and see this great sight—why the bush is not burnt.’ When the Lord saw that [Moses] had stopped and turned, God called to him out of the midst of the bush, and said, ‘Moses, Moses’. And he [Moses] said, ‘Here am I.’”

https://www.rabbidavidcooper.com/cooper-print-index/2010/11/8/2192-the-archangel-gabriel.html

Now he may think that's the archangel Gabriel, but he reinforces that it was "THE angel of the Lord."

You're busted.

 

[RAMOSS]

Nonsense. Not even Jewish Rabbi David Cooper agrees with you.

"The Torah teaches:

The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the middle of a bush. [Moses] looked and the bush burned with fire, but was not consumed. Moses said to himself, ‘I will stop, look and see this great sight—why the bush is not burnt.’ When the Lord saw that [Moses] had stopped and turned, God called to him out of the midst of the bush, and said, ‘Moses, Moses’. And he [Moses] said, ‘Here am I.’”

https://www.rabbidavidcooper.com/cooper-print-index/2010/11/8/2192-the-archangel-gabriel.html

Now he may think that's the archangel Gabriel, but he reinforces that it was "THE angel of the Lord."

You're busted.

Did you actually read it?? He's viewpoint about angels is definitely hascidic, and they are into heavy mysticism. I will point out he associates the burning bush with the Angel Gabriel.. not Jesus. ..

 

[Logicman]

Did you actually read it?? He's viewpoint about angels is definitely hascidic, and they are into heavy mysticism. I will point out he associates the burning bush with the Angel Gabriel.. not Jesus. ..

Did you miss the main point? He said the Torah teaches, "THE angel of the Lord..."

Love it!

 

[RAMOSS]

Did you miss the main point? He said the Torah teaches, "THE angel of the Lord..."

Love it!

So, he probably was using the JPS 1917 translation... which is based on a large part from the KJV translation. The ones that are fully Jewish , from scratch, say 'An angel'.

The term 'ha'.. which is used for THE .. (as in HA-adam' and ha-satan') is missing from the original Hebrew.