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Homosexuality, Heterosexuality and the Choices in Between

CLAX1911 said:
what don't you agree with?
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That things do not change with time. I'm not saying a person suddenly wakes up at age 45 and says, "Damn, I'm gay." But, I can see where a person who thought he could live straight up until the age of 45 suddenly comes to the conclusion that he cannot.
 
calamity said:
That things do not change with time. I'm not saying a person suddenly wakes up at age 45 and says, "Damn, I'm gay." But, I can see where a person who thought he could live straight up until the age of 45 suddenly comes to the conclusion that he cannot.
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Okay so they're aegree to disagree points fair enough.
 
calamity said:
Ok, this is more or less a thread designed for mature discussion and some thought. Also, there is no need to directly answer some of the questions, but rather maybe just keep them in your head as you formulate an opinion.

Let me begin by saying that this topic has bothered me for decades as I struggle with the rules of heterosexual monogamy, marriage, and just general male-female related bull****. How much of a choice is acting on sexual impulses?

I can say this. I find it easier to resist urges now than I did 20 year ago when my hormones raged and impulse control took a back seat. Back then, if I saw someone I was attracted to, I almost always pursued it. And, if by some miracle I successfully managed to engage that person, it was usually impossible to resist breaking all the rules assumed in my other relationships. So, yeah. I would cheat, divorce, throw away fortunes, whatever to score that piece of ass. Today? Hell, some Victoria Secret model could probably walk by me stark naked and I wouldn't even get out of my chair.

So, I'm left wondering...how much of our sexual behavior is "choice."
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Sexual behavior is always a choice. No matter who you are or how you identify, you will either choose to engage in sexual behavior or put yourself in compromising situations (i.e., a bar) where your decision making is affected. No matter what you do, your sexual behavior is your own choice. Maturity does bring with it a better understanding of your choices, but they are still your choices. The biggest thing to take away is the fact that any sexual behavior outside of marriage is a sin, and that one must constantly be on guard to take care when making their decisions. God has the perfect person planned for us in His own time, if we are just willing to be patient.
 
You don't realize one day that you are gay. It is a choice, and a sin.
 
Winston said:
Go go gadget kiss other girls on the face and like it.
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Sinning is fun.

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Jek4141 said:
Sexual behavior is always a choice. No matter who you are or how you identify, you will either choose to engage in sexual behavior or put yourself in compromising situations (i.e., a bar) where your decision making is affected. No matter what you do, your sexual behavior is your own choice. Maturity does bring with it a better understanding of your choices, but they are still your choices. The biggest thing to take away is the fact that any sexual behavior outside of marriage is a sin, and that one must constantly be on guard to take care when making their decisions. God has the perfect person planned for us in His own time, if we are just willing to be patient.
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Hmmm.. two posts into this forum, you decide to jump into this thread. That certainly makes me wonder, Mr. 4141
 
Jek4141 said:
Sexual behavior is always a choice. No matter who you are or how you identify, you will either choose to engage in sexual behavior or put yourself in compromising situations (i.e., a bar) where your decision making is affected. No matter what you do, your sexual behavior is your own choice. Maturity does bring with it a better understanding of your choices, but they are still your choices. The biggest thing to take away is the fact that any sexual behavior outside of marriage is a sin, and that one must constantly be on guard to take care when making their decisions. God has the perfect person planned for us in His own time, if we are just willing to be patient.
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Easy behavior is informed by the orientation and that is not a choice
 
CLAX1911 said:
Easy behavior is informed by the orientation and that is not a choice
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"Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man.' That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh." Genesis 2:22-24

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful actis with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error." Romans 1:27

Once again, homosexuality is a choice, and a sin.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Yes you do realize one day you're gay. What would you know about it?
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No one is created gay. In my other reply to you, I showed that God clearly made us to have marital sexual fellowship with women and that homosexuality is a clear and blatant choice. As to what I would know about it, I haven't exactly tried it before. As I said, it's a sin. Homosexual urges are just like heterosexual urges, a type of lust that is sinful outside of marriage. The difference between the two is that a man joining with a woman is a union blessed by God, while homosexuality is a perversion of the loving sexual relationship that He intends for us to have
 
calamity said:
Who you really be.

Gay people are cool. Embrace the love.
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Who I really be is someone who is trying to save people before it is too late. I have gay friends, and I respect them as my friends. However, I do not agree with or condone their choices. I can try to sway them and show them the love of Jesus, but at the end of the day, it's their choice.

And it's your choice, too
 
CLAX1911 said:
Easy behavior is informed by the orientation and that is not a choice
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Also, sexual orientation is the way a person enjoys sex and prefers their sexual partners. If I am oriented towards cake, it means that I choose to eat cake because I enjoy cake. It is not how I was born, because perhaps there are some people who can't stand cake; it's simply what I have learned and personally decided through time and experience. Orientation is a choice, and homosexual orientation is a sin.
 
Jek4141 said:
"Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man.' That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh." Genesis 2:22-24
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I'm sorry there is nothing in the Genesis story condemning homosexuality or even mentioning it and the slightest so thanks for posting Bible quotes that have no relevance to the discussion whatsoever.

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful actis with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error." Romans 1:27
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it would be unnatural for someone with the homosexual orientation to lust after the opposite sex. So this doesn't condemn or even mention homosexuality yet another irrelevant Bible quote.

Once again, homosexuality is a choice, and a sin.
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the homosexual orientation is not a choice I know better than you.
 
Jek4141 said:
Also, sexual orientation is the way a person enjoys sex and prefers their sexual partners.
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no it is the sex is in male or female to which someone is oriented.

If I am oriented towards cake, it means that I choose to eat cake because I enjoy cake. It is not how I was born, because perhaps there are some people who can't stand cake; it's simply what I have learned and personally decided through time and experience.
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that is incorrect. What makes you crave sweet things and things with flour and simple carbohydrates is your biology.

People aren't food oriented food is a necessity you eat or you die. Picking out chemical strains within food and having fun this towards them is a common biological trait and many mammals not just humans.

So you are not cake oriented.

Orientation is a choice, and homosexual orientation is a sin.
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I think maybe you want that to be true. But wanting something to be true and quoting irrelevant Bible verses and not understanding human nutrition and biology does not establish orientation as a choice.

It is simply wishful thinking on your part
 
Jek4141 said:
No one is created gay.
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I disagree prove your claim or I can dismiss it without evidence.

In my other reply to you, I showed that God clearly made us to have marital sexual fellowship with women and that homosexuality is a clear and blatant choice.
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no you didn't you posted a biased observation based on wishful thinking. I don't share your wishful thinking.

As to what I would know about it, I haven't exactly tried it before. As I said, it's a sin. Homosexual urges are just like heterosexual urges, a type of lust that is sinful outside of marriage.
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so you know absolutely nothing about it and you're just regurgitating propaganda probably fed to you by spoon as a child without ever really considering that maybe just maybe you're wrong.

I don't suffer regurgitated the Mindless drone thinking very long. So if all you are is a walking talking pamphlet about things which you have no understanding of then I don't see this discussion going anywhere.

If all you are here to do is try and dominate people that don't agree with you to fulfill some existential angst I think you're going to be disappointed.

The difference between the two is that a man joining with a woman is a union blessed by God, while homosexuality is a perversion of the loving sexual relationship that He intends for us to have
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I'm sorry but there's nothing special about you you are not a prophet you don't have any wisdom with regard to what God intends all you have is the propaganda you were likely force-fed is a child.

Basically put you have no idea what God intends. When people say God wants or God intends or God hates they're really just saying that they intend or they want or they hate. I don't suffer demigods either.
 
Jek4141 said:
No one is created gay. In my other reply to you, I showed that God clearly made us to have marital sexual fellowship with women and that homosexuality is a clear and blatant choice. As to what I would know about it, I haven't exactly tried it before. As I said, it's a sin. Homosexual urges are just like heterosexual urges, a type of lust that is sinful outside of marriage. The difference between the two is that a man joining with a woman is a union blessed by God, while homosexuality is a perversion of the loving sexual relationship that He intends for us to have
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One question are you a Christian?
 
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