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Homosexuality, Heterosexuality and the Choices in Between

It is 100% a choice. And a choice you ought to take responsibility for.
I disagree I don't buy the everyone's really bisexual philosophy. Because if you could just choose to be gay or straight there'd be no such thing as mgtow. There would be no such thing as a pickup artist someone wanted to have sex that bad they just get it with the dude without having to bother with all that nonsense.

It's true, people have varying degrees of sexual drive... it may be easier for some and not for others... but that is never an excuse, and it can never be an excuse.
excuse nobody needs an excuse. This isn't Iran.

What separates humans from animals is impulse control, we can actively choose to go against our nature for a greater purpose, and we can choose not to.
I'm sorry I don't see pleasing retard Bible/Quran Thumpers is being a greater purpose. That's the only reason someone would deny themselves the partner of their choice.
 
The body does goes through changes as time goes by that is true. Even your taste buds change over time. But in the end, taste buds are still affected by DNA. :shrug: And like I said, there are many things that affect who you find attractive. Sight and smell are just two of the biggest that's all.

Lemme put it this way...I read Playboy Magazine as a young guy, okay?
Playboy featured asian chicks and black chicks, okay.
Didn't do a damn thing for me but as soon as they went back to some random brunette gal, blammo.

Living in the DC suburbs of MD, there was NO shortage of attractive black women, asian women, you name it.
DC is an international city and there were attractive women from every single corner of the damn world there.

A family moved in up the street and Dad worked for the embassy. They were from Iran but very metropolitan.
The moment I laid eyes on the daughter, I was in trouble! Good GOD was I ever.
The family DOWN the street was tied to the embassy in Thailand.
The sixteen year old girl in the family could have walked into my bedroom NAKED and I wouldn't have cared.
My eyeballs didn't change. In fact, my eyesight didn't start to change to any great extent until about two and a half years ago.

My buddy two doors down was half-Japanese and half-anglo, his sister was hella-sexy.
I didn't really notice until I thought about her years later! I was thousands of miles away and just remembered.
But Phil went into the Merchant Marine and suddenly HIS old girlfriend wanted ME, and she was first generation
French, the dark and lovely kind. I couldn't resist.

And again, one day many years later...maybe seven years later, I suddenly realized that black and asian chicks were pretty amazing looking.
It had never crossed my mind before.
I am not saying that sight and smell aren't a factor but I think your DNA theory really does apply more to being attracted to personality traits.
My wife's first husband resembles Triple H the WWE wrestler, a big brute with a bowling ball head and he's as aryan as it gets.
He'd make a good Nazi Stormtrooper.
Every man she had ever been with looked something like that man she married and had two kids with (MY kids now!)

I assure you I don't resemble him in the slightest, and here is what I looked like when I first met Karen in 1984.
My friends joke about it and say it looks like "the porno guy and the runaway" LOL :lamo
Did something in Karen's DNA change?

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Ok, this is more or less a thread designed for mature discussion and some thought. Also, there is no need to directly answer some of the questions, but rather maybe just keep them in your head as you formulate an opinion.

Let me begin by saying that this topic has bothered me for decades as I struggle with the rules of heterosexual monogamy, marriage, and just general male-female related bull****. How much of a choice is acting on sexual impulses?

I can say this. I find it easier to resist urges now than I did 20 year ago when my hormones raged and impulse control took a back seat. Back then, if I saw someone I was attracted to, I almost always pursued it. And, if by some miracle I successfully managed to engage that person, it was usually impossible to resist breaking all the rules assumed in my other relationships. So, yeah. I would cheat, divorce, throw away fortunes, whatever to score that piece of ass. Today? Hell, some Victoria Secret model could probably walk by me stark naked and I wouldn't even get out of my chair.

So, I'm left wondering...how much of our sexual behavior is "choice."

Libido tapering off in your 60s or however old you are is not a choice. Sleeping around on the people you love is but my guess is you didn't really love them otherwise you wouldn't have done that. I never have I've had sex with 3 people in my entire life and I've never had a one-night stands or cheated on anyone. Yes all that behavior was a choice but I don't see how you being unscrupulous has anything to do with someone being strictly attracted to the same sex.
 
Libido tapering off in your 60s or however old you are is not a choice. Sleeping around on the people you love is but my guess is you didn't really love them otherwise you wouldn't have done that. I never have I've had sex with 3 people in my entire life and I've never had a one-night stands or cheated on anyone. Yes all that behavior was a choice but I don't see how you being unscrupulous has anything to do with someone being strictly attracted to the same sex.

Actually, I did love them. But, my pecker loved the next conquest a wee bit more.

Also, libido is fine. It's just tempered enough now to enjoy monogamy.
 
Actually, I did love them.
but you would cheat on them anyway no matter how it hurt them no you didn't love them you were being selfish.

But, my pecker loved the next conquest a wee bit more.
then you didn't love them that's not what love is.

Also, libido is fine. It's just tempered enough now to enjoy monogamy.
I don't believe your libido is exactly where it was 20 years ago. Perhaps you are on drugs but drugs are not a libido.
 
but you would cheat on them anyway no matter how it hurt them no you didn't love them you were being selfish.
No more selfish than a gay person hurting loved ones by coming out.

then you didn't love them that's not what love is.
You have no idea what you are talking about.

I don't believe your libido is exactly where it was 20 years ago. Perhaps you are on drugs but drugs are not a libido.
Obviously you're not reading what was written. I clearly stated that 20 years ago I could not control my urges. Since I can today, obviously things have changed enough that my hormones are not "exactly where it was 20 years ago."
 
No more selfish than a gay person hurting loved ones by coming out.
if a loved one coming out hurts you that's your problem you're the one taking it personally it has nothing to do with you.

If you cannot handle them being who they are you never loved them it's not them not loving you.


You have no idea what you are talking about.
then there's no reason to argue the point anymore.


Obviously you're not reading what was written. I clearly stated that 20 years ago I could not control my urges. Since I can today, obviously things have changed enough that my hormones are not "exactly where it was 20 years ago."
That isn't your choice that's something that naturally happens to men as they age.
 
if a loved one coming out her to you that's your problem you're the one taking it personally it has nothing to do with you.
Same with banging some hottie. It has nothing to do with the person you're married to. Nothing at all.


then there's no reason to argue the point anymore.



That isn't your choice that's something that naturally happens to men as they age.
agreed x 2
 
Same with banging some hottie. It has nothing to do with the person you're married to. Nothing at all.
so you don't think cheating on your wife has anything to do with your wife?



agreed x 2
so I think you might be learning something.
 
I disagree I don't buy the everyone's really bisexual philosophy. Because if you could just choose to be gay or straight there'd be no such thing as mgtow. There would be no such thing as a pickup artist someone wanted to have sex that bad they just get it with the dude without having to bother with all that nonsense.

excuse nobody needs an excuse. This isn't Iran.


I'm sorry I don't see pleasing retard Bible/Quran Thumpers is being a greater purpose. That's the only reason someone would deny themselves the partner of their choice.
Sexuality isn't a choice.

If everyone where bisexual then that would mean even heterosexual people would have an equal desire to eat *****, as well suck dick, but choose the opposite sex for reasons other than attraction.
 
Sexuality isn't a choice.
I agree I never bought the everyone's bisexual thing.

If everyone where bisexual then that would mean even heterosexual people would have an equal desire to eat *****, as well suck dick, but choose the opposite sex for reasons other than attraction.
I agree. If that were the case where you just switch sexual orientation everyone in jail for BK instead of just a few.
 
so you don't think cheating on your wife has anything to do with your wife?
Not at the time of the cheating. It's all about getting some. Sure, there is a lot of guilt---after.



so I think you might be learning something.

:)
 
Not at the time of the cheating. It's all about getting some. Sure, there is a lot of guilt---after.
but you acknowledge that it's cheating so you were aware that it was wrong and did it anyway and you consider that the same thing as a son or daughter telling their parents the truth about their sexual orientation?
 
but you acknowledge that it's cheating so you were aware that it was wrong and did it anyway and you consider that the same thing as a son or daughter telling their parents the truth about their sexual orientation?
I see it as the same thing. I am pursuing my sexual desires at the expense of what others expect of me.
 
I see it as the same thing. I am pursuing my sexual desires at the expense of what others expect of me.
If you have expectations that you place on children or siblings and they failed to live up to them they haven't broken a promise to you you just had unrealistic expectations that is still your problem. They didn't marry you they had no choice and you being in their life and if you want to hold them accountable for your expectations you are hurting yourself
 
I see it as the same thing. I am pursuing my sexual desires at the expense of what others expect of me.
I expect you to only have sex with parakeets.

If you don't, then you're pursuing sexual desires at the expense of what I expect of you.:mrgreen:
 
I expect you to only have sex with parakeets.

If you don't, then you're pursuing sexual desires at the expense of what I expect of you.:mrgreen:

He seems to think that there is some sort of obligation to live out to your parents desires or your siblings desires without some contract of expectation like marriage.
 
Ok, this is more or less a thread designed for mature discussion and some thought. Also, there is no need to directly answer some of the questions, but rather maybe just keep them in your head as you formulate an opinion.

Let me begin by saying that this topic has bothered me for decades as I struggle with the rules of heterosexual monogamy, marriage, and just general male-female related bull****. How much of a choice is acting on sexual impulses?

I can say this. I find it easier to resist urges now than I did 20 year ago when my hormones raged and impulse control took a back seat. Back then, if I saw someone I was attracted to, I almost always pursued it. And, if by some miracle I successfully managed to engage that person, it was usually impossible to resist breaking all the rules assumed in my other relationships. So, yeah. I would cheat, divorce, throw away fortunes, whatever to score that piece of ass. Today? Hell, some Victoria Secret model could probably walk by me stark naked and I wouldn't even get out of my chair.

So, I'm left wondering...how much of our sexual behavior is "choice."
All behavior is choice, within the context given. Yes there are such things a subconscious and conditioned behavior, but they typically fall outside of the topic being discussed. What that behavior is based upon, such as attraction, is not necessarily by choice. This includes not just gender or sex, but hair color, facial features, body type and so much more.

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Plenty of people have been able to resist urges all their life. Some more than others obviously as evidenced by your post. Myself, I didn't once have sex until I was 23. Dated one woman, broke up, then married my next girlfriend two years later. Been happily married ever since with no thought what so ever of actually cheating on her. Yes, there's been moments where I've seen some woman and thought to myself "DAMN! I'd tap that if I had a chance!" But beyond that, never even attempted to try to act on it because I love my wife too much to even give it a moments thought of cheating or breaking up with her much less divorce.

However, when it comes to choosing who you find attractive and who you don't...that is completely out of our hands and is based purely on DNA.
I'm going to disagree. I have no doubt that other things can influence attractions. Hormonal floods while in the womb, environmental factors in the early years, and many other possible factors. I will say they all result in the same thing; an attraction that is innate and not a matter of choice.

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Ok, this is more or less a thread designed for mature discussion and some thought. Also, there is no need to directly answer some of the questions, but rather maybe just keep them in your head as you formulate an opinion.

Let me begin by saying that this topic has bothered me for decades as I struggle with the rules of heterosexual monogamy, marriage, and just general male-female related bull****. How much of a choice is acting on sexual impulses?

I can say this. I find it easier to resist urges now than I did 20 year ago when my hormones raged and impulse control took a back seat. Back then, if I saw someone I was attracted to, I almost always pursued it. And, if by some miracle I successfully managed to engage that person, it was usually impossible to resist breaking all the rules assumed in my other relationships. So, yeah. I would cheat, divorce, throw away fortunes, whatever to score that piece of ass. Today? Hell, some Victoria Secret model could probably walk by me stark naked and I wouldn't even get out of my chair.

So, I'm left wondering...how much of our sexual behavior is "choice."

Behavior is a choice, yes. I could choose to have sex with a guy if I wanted to.

But sexual attraction is not a choice.
 
I do agree with most of what you have to say, and your overall viewpoint. However there are some points I feel need to be addressed.

Everything in life is actually a choice. If I choose, I can sit in the middle of my living room floor and never move or eat again, till I die.

Not all is a choice. Aside from subconscious and conditioned behaviors and reactions, there is much in our lives that are not choices. Attractions and preferences and key among them. You cannot make a choice to enjoy the flavor of excrement. You can choose to actually consume it and even choose to make it look like you are enjoying it, but that says nothing to what you do actually enjoy and not enjoy.

Homosexuality is ... a no foul consensual act.

I don't think I have destroyed what you said editing your post in that manner, but if you thinks so, tell me and I will endeavour to correct it.

That said, Homosexuality is not an act, it is a state of being, an attraction. Any given act might be homosexual in nature. Additionally, any given act, heterosexual or homosexual, can be a non consensual one. There is male on male rape, a non consensual homosexual act, which, BTW, does nothing to indicate the sexual attractions of either party.


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but you would cheat on them anyway no matter how it hurt them no you didn't love them you were being selfish.

then you didn't love them that's not what love is.

I don't believe your libido is exactly where it was 20 years ago. Perhaps you are on drugs but drugs are not a libido.
You are conflating two things that are not linked. Commonly occur together, sure, but not linked. Failing to have the ethics to treat someone honorably does nothing to invalidate their feelings towards that person. Love is an emotion. It does not hold to any logic. A lack of a healthy relationship does not indicate a lack of love on one or the other's part. Nor is the presence of actual love guaranteed to result in the expected behavior. That behavior is a stereotype.

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One of the many ways in which we are attracted to people is by pheromones. In fact its THE strongest motivator in finding someone attractive next to sight. Pheromones involve our sense of smell. What governs our sense of smell? DNA.

Same goes for what we see as being attractive to us. For instance I could look up at the sky, see the clouds and find them to be beautiful, where as someone else could see the same clouds as being ugly. All of that is determined by how we see things. And we see things based on our DNA. Such as colorblindness. Some people see some colors brighter while some see the same colors as darker etc etc. Again, all if it based on DNA.

Tis elementary my dear Lursa. *tips hat* *impish grin*

The study, published today in Royal Society Open Science, asked heterosexual participants to rate opposite-sex faces on attractiveness while being exposed to two steroids that are putative human pheromones. One is androstadienone (AND), found in male sweat and semen, whereas the second, estratetraenol (EST), is in women’s urine. Researchers also asked participants to judge gender-ambiguous, or “neutral,” faces, created by merging images of men and women together. The authors reasoned that if the steroids were pheromones, female volunteers given AND would see gender-neutral faces as male, and male volunteers given EST would see gender-neutral faces as female. They also theorized that the steroids corresponding to the opposite sex would lead the volunteers to rate opposite sex faces as more attractive.

That didn’t happen. The researchers found no effects of the steroids on any behaviors and concluded that the label of “putative human pheromone” for AND and EST should be dropped.

Do human pheromones actually exist? | Science | AAAS
 
The study, published today in Royal Society Open Science, asked heterosexual participants to rate opposite-sex faces on attractiveness while being exposed to two steroids that are putative human pheromones. One is androstadienone (AND), found in male sweat and semen, whereas the second, estratetraenol (EST), is in women’s urine. Researchers also asked participants to judge gender-ambiguous, or “neutral,” faces, created by merging images of men and women together. The authors reasoned that if the steroids were pheromones, female volunteers given AND would see gender-neutral faces as male, and male volunteers given EST would see gender-neutral faces as female. They also theorized that the steroids corresponding to the opposite sex would lead the volunteers to rate opposite sex faces as more attractive.

That didn’t happen. The researchers found no effects of the steroids on any behaviors and concluded that the label of “putative human pheromone” for AND and EST should be dropped.

Do human pheromones actually exist? | Science | AAAS

And yet ovulating strippers get tipped more than those that aren't ovulating.

News Bytes of the Week—Ovulating Strippers Make Bigger Tips
 
You are conflating two things that are not linked. Commonly occur together, sure, but not linked. Failing to have the ethics to treat someone honorably does nothing to invalidate their feelings towards that person. Love is an emotion. It does not hold to any logic. A lack of a healthy relationship does not indicate a lack of love on one or the other's part.
I disagree love is not an emotion love is a promise. Besides I wasn't talking about the others part they would have been the wronged party.

Nor is the presence of actual love guaranteed to result in the expected behavior. That behavior is a stereotype.
again love is not an emotion or a Feeling there are emotions and feelings tied to it but love is a promise.
 
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