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Homeowner makes working environment untenable for local burglars

matchlight said:
No one here knows the facts about what happened in much detail. But no one who was there is alive to dispute the account of the man who shot these three, and both the clothing the intruders were wearing and their possession of a knife and brass knuckles indicate they intended to commit some serious crime once inside. It's obvious they entered the house, but if anything was said about breaking in, I missed it.

Even if the three homicides are found to be justified as self-defense or defense of another, as I suspect they will be, I have to wonder, as a moral question rather than a legal one, if it was really necessary to kill three people. It's possible one or more of them attacked the man and gave him no choice but to shoot them, but I tend to think most people--especially if the best they have among them is a knife and brass knuckles--will respond to orders given by someone holding a rifle on them. Why not just have made them lie face down at gunpoint, while having someone else call police?
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In high stress situation it doesn't take much to turn "a person" into "a target". If the person you are confronting is armed and aggressive that transition should be instantaneous for you.
 
Rucker61 said:
I'd also venture that historically the general population didn't freak out at the sight of someone carrying a gun, too.
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I'm guessing that historically most people had long guns rather than handguns as well. People used to hang them over their mantles.
 
Moot said:
I'm guessing that historically most people had long guns rather than handguns as well. People used to hang them over their mantles.
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the both were available back then. I suspect you are correct that more people had long guns-especially since that was pretty much a requirement if you lived outside the cities though.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
Wow. Just wow.

No racial dog whistle in this post.
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yeah we should pretend its white youths who are causing most of the gun based murders in chicago. It would be as accurate as saying most of the dunks thrown down in NBA games are by Jewish Point Guards
 
GottaGo said:
Why, specifically, would it need to be a 'long gun'? You shouldn't 'brandish' a fire arm, and slinging a long gun over your shoulder while you stroll down the street is exactly that, to say nothing of unwieldy and more likely to harm someone by accident while swinging it off your shoulder.....

(It would look really tacky with my work attire, BTW)
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because you could not conceal the fact that you are bearing arms. no surprise factor. people are alert to you
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
So why couldn't the guy just say "put your hands in the air and wait here for me to call the police"?

Science says at that age our brains aren't developed and we don't understand the connection between actions and consequences. How do you guys know that you couldn't have ended up like those guys if you had just ended up in the wrong crowd or got carried away one day?
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Did you read the story? There was a verbal altercation, evidently the bad guys WERE given that choice, and instead they made aggressive actions that led to lead poisoning. This is akin, though completely different level, of "young people" making the mistake of driving while taking selfies and maybe high or drunk. It's unfair they slammed into a brick wall of reality, but fortunately it was a one car accident. Why are you blaming the homeowner???? It was the perps own damned fault.
 
justabubba said:
a desire to make our nation's streets safer
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If that was your aim then you would be advocating for the cops to stop wasting money on what does not work and spend the time money and resources on chasing and arresting criminals instead of guns. The idea that a gun "off the streets" is a crime prevented is just idiotic beyond belief. It is not possible to drain the criminal arms pool any more than it was possible to remove alcohol or illegal drugs.

So what is your true intention or desire in removing citizens guns? You fear them as they might corrupt others?
 
Crimefree said:
If that was your aim then you would be advocating for the cops to stop wasting money on what does not work and spend the time money and resources on chasing and arresting criminals instead of guns. The idea that a gun "off the streets" is a crime prevented is just idiotic beyond belief. It is not possible to drain the criminal arms pool any more than it was possible to remove alcohol or illegal drugs.

So what is your true intention or desire in removing citizens guns? You fear them as they might corrupt others?
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this would make the leos' jobs easier
someone carrying a hand gun in public
go to jail; do not pass go
instant perp identification
not unlike the days in the wild west when hand guns were prohibited in (some) public places
 
justabubba said:
because you could not conceal the fact that you are bearing arms. no surprise factor. people are alert to you
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You'd have the same with open carry of a hand gun.

Unfortunately, some stupid arses would view open carry as a challenge. CCW serves a purpose... let the morons wonder if someone is armed. That way, those of us who choose to carry concealed, help those who prefer not to, because thugs just won't know.... ;)
 
GottaGo said:
You'd have the same with open carry of a hand gun.

Unfortunately, some stupid arses would view open carry as a challenge. CCW serves a purpose... let the morons wonder if someone is armed. That way, those of us who choose to carry concealed, help those who prefer not to, because thugs just won't know.... ;)
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the problem with open carry is that it only takes moments to change that to concealed carry. not so with long arms
 
justabubba said:
the problem with open carry is that it only takes moments to change that to concealed carry. not so with long arms
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Apparently you view concealed carry as a 'problem'.

Your prerogative, but I can't agree with you. Criminals will do as they please, regardless of the law. Therefore, I will level the playing field a little bit more, and add surprise to my side. ;)
 
justabubba said:
nope

but the right to carry a handgun into the public domain should

want a gun to carry for self defense outside your home, it should be required to be a long gun (excluding leos)
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Why would that be so? Long guns tend to make people less comfortable than a concealed handgun. Are generally less effective in defensive situations. And cannot be concealed.

Basically, you claim to believe in my right to protect myself in public domain, as long as you can pick and choose my choice of weapons. Your choice being the least practical firearm possibility.
 
GottaGo said:
Apparently you view concealed carry as a 'problem'.

Your prerogative, but I can't agree with you. Criminals will do as they please, regardless of the law. Therefore, I will level the playing field a little bit more, and add surprise to my side. ;)
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i get that
but i believe the higher value goes to the leos knowing that someone in the public domain with a hand gun is absolutely criminal ... and because of the possess will be in a cell for an extended period. perp off the street
if that person meant no criminal intent, (s)he would be carrying a long arm
 
justabubba said:
i get that
but i believe the higher value goes to the leos knowing that someone in the public domain with a hand gun is absolutely criminal ... and because of the possess will be in a cell for an extended period. perp off the street
if that person meant no criminal intent, (s)he would be carrying a long arm
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Criminals don't' follow the law, why would they only open carry?
 
Renae said:
Criminals don't' follow the law, why would they only open carry?
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they would not. but that they were in possession of a hand gun would automatically identify them as a perp to remove from the street and place in a cell. like carrying a sawed off shotgun. obviously a criminal
 
justabubba said:
they would not. but that they were in possession of a hand gun would automatically identify them as a perp to remove from the street and place in a cell. like carrying a sawed off shotgun. obviously a criminal
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So the police are free to frisk and search everyone, just in case someone has a gun?
 
justabubba said:
this would make the leos' jobs easier
someone carrying a hand gun in public
go to jail; do not pass go
instant perp identification
not unlike the days in the wild west when hand guns were prohibited in (some) public places
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You are not seriously expecting me to accept you want to disarm people to make cops job easier.......

How do you equate what I claimed and you have not refuted If that was your aim then you would be advocating for the cops to stop wasting money on what does not work and spend the time money and resources on chasing and arresting criminals instead of guns. The idea that a gun "off the streets" is a crime prevented is just idiotic beyond belief. It is not possible to drain the criminal arms pool any more than it was possible to remove alcohol or illegal drugs.

Did you not read that? Was it meaningless to you that you thought you could just ignore it in order to post rubbish?

What wild west are you referring to? Hollywood and reality are not the same.
 
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