Hollywood Set to Release Yet Another Bull**** Film About 9/11

[Tigerace117]

Bin Laden was allowed to live for 10 years after the 9/11 attacks, so this boogie man's image could be used by American politicians to get us to do what they wanted.

Think about this;

OBL was responsible for killing 3,000 Americans and was allowed to live another 10 years.

while

Saddam Hussein never killed anyone in the USA, was overthrown, turned over for an illegal trial, and hanged.

That's Murican Justice 101.

Aw, poor Saddam. Poor, poor Saddam. :roll:

He was just innocently strolling along invading all his neighbors and the big, bad American bullies had to come along and tell him he couldn't gas his own people anymore. Poor, poor Saddam.

Nobody "allowed" Osama to live another ten years. He simply, through a mixture of knowledge of the terrain and bad luck, managed to evade us for a time. But he couldn't hide forever, and we nailed him.

Your little conspiracy theory is amusing but, as all conspiracy theories are, dead wrong.

 

[mike2810]

Aw, poor Saddam. Poor, poor Saddam. :roll:

He was just innocently strolling along invading all his neighbors and the big, bad American bullies had to come along and tell him he couldn't gas his own people anymore. Poor, poor Saddam.

Nobody "allowed" Osama to live another ten years. He simply, through a mixture of knowledge of the terrain and bad luck, managed to evade us for a time. But he couldn't hide forever, and we nailed him.

Your little conspiracy theory is amusing but, as all conspiracy theories are, dead wrong.

At least Tcost admits OBL was behind 9/11. "OBL was responsible for killing 3,000 Americans and was allowed to live another 10 years. " :lamo

So many conspiracies, so many conflict theories regarding 9/11/2001.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

OBL was passé. Obama's Arab Spring brought about a much bolder, deadlier terrorist group in Isis, which made al Qaeda seem old fashioned by comparison.

Maybe I'm too skeptical, but I do know that bin Laden was once armed by the USA, connected to the Bush family and Saud family. America's attention to the middle East and terrorism had been waning in 2011, and then OBL was neutralized and Isis sprang up.

I'm just curious what we're going to end up with after Isis.

What a quaintly ignornant and historically illiterate bit of revisionism.

The Arab Spring is exactly what the Neocons. ala Bush, Cheney, etc... were attempting to incite with their invasion of Iraq.

Once it happened, some people want to blame Obama because it couldn't be controlled from Washington.

Obama didn't have an Arab Spring. His predecessors did.

 

[Tigerace117]

At least Tcost admits OBL was behind 9/11. "OBL was responsible for killing 3,000 Americans and was allowed to live another 10 years. " :lamo

So many conspiracies, so many conflict theories regarding 9/11/2001.

It's enough to make one's head spin. We're supposed to believe the CIA, FBI, Lizard people, Illuminati/NWO, Mossad, etc all committed 9/11, and that they simultaneously hijacked the planes, replaced them with holograms and then blew up the holograms.

No wonder CTers are such loons. No sane person could keep all that straight.

 

[truthatallcost]

What a quaintly ignornant and historically illiterate bit of revisionism.

The Arab Spring is exactly what the Neocons. ala Bush, Cheney, etc... were attempting to incite with their invasion of Iraq.

Once it happened, some people want to blame Obama because it couldn't be controlled from Washington.

Obama didn't have an Arab Spring. His predecessors did.

Now your post was full of revisionism; the media supported Obama's Arab Spring, which wasn't just an inevitable consequence of Bush's wars.

Obama not only verbally supported the uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen, he actually bankrolled them. Plus he supplied arms to the rebels in many of these conflicts.

You're just regurgitating the party line that says Obama's 8 unremarkable years in office are George Bush's fault, when they told the American people in 2008 that Obama was going to be 'a different kind of President', full of 'hope and change'.

Obama was a beacon of hope, but only for the radical Islamists who benefitted from his sympathy.

 

[truthatallcost]

Aw, poor Saddam. Poor, poor Saddam. :roll:

He was just innocently strolling along invading all his neighbors and the big, bad American bullies had to come along and tell him he couldn't gas his own people anymore. Poor, poor Saddam.

Nobody "allowed" Osama to live another ten years. He simply, through a mixture of knowledge of the terrain and bad luck, managed to evade us for a time. But he couldn't hide forever, and we nailed him.

Your little conspiracy theory is amusing but, as all conspiracy theories are, dead wrong.

We've been down this road before, and you haven't matured I see. Still buying the Cheney/Rumsfeld lies.

I'll remind you again of Tora Bora, 2001, the CIA had bin Laden pinpointed in a caravan of al Qaeda that were camped there. The CIA requested military support to obliterate OBL and his crew, yet they were denied the military support they needed for almost a month. That decision must have come from the Pentagon, which was lead by Rumsfeld.

If Rumsfeld had been serious about killing OBL, we could have done it by late 2001. Instead, Rumsfeld let OBL slip in to Pakistan, wasting the hard work of the CIA's paramilitary operations, hundreds of millions of dollars, and loss of American life.

Now ask yourself why the Pentagon would refuse to assist the CIA with the support they needed, when they were certain that they had OBL within their sight, and he was miles from the Pakistani border.

My only guess is that Rumsfeld wanted OBL alive, not dead.

 

[truthatallcost]

Aw, poor Saddam. Poor, poor Saddam. :roll:

He was just innocently strolling along invading all his neighbors and the big, bad American bullies had to come along and tell him he couldn't gas his own people anymore. Poor, poor Saddam.

How naive can one person be?

Saddam Hussein had make believe WMD, so we invade Iraq.

Iran is developing real WMD, so Obama releases $100 billion to them, and pats them on the butt.

Saudi Arabia financially contributed to 9/11, and they're our bestest friend in the Muslim world.

When will you ever wise up?

 

[truthatallcost]

No, that's "Failure To Understand An Intelligence Problem" on your part. Osama wasn't "allowed" to live for another 10 years - the CIA teams that were dropped into Afghanistan within weeks of 9/11 were told to find him, cut off his head, and bring the head back for the President.

Then what's your assessment of the Tora Bora debacle?

He was simply particularly good at avoiding US collection, and was in an area where we had very, very little access.

By OBL's own account, he thought the Americans were idiots who weren't interested in really pursuing him. OBL and the al Qaeda leadership split up and went into hiding after the USS Cole bombing, assuming that Clinton was going to send hell to them because they'd managed to kill 17 US servicemen. Instead, there was virtually no reprisal from Clinton , OBL and the al Qaeda leadership were astonished, and emboldened to continue the plans that would become 9/11. I believe this is why OBL and his inner circle were still in Afghanistan by late 2001, because the US government had never seriously sought to punish them for the '93 WTC bombing, the '98 East Africa bombings, and the USS Cole bombing. They thought 9/11 was just going to be another cake walk.

Saddam, in comparison, was trying to hide in a place where we had a lot of access - we were running the country. It was an easier intelligence problem to solve, because our ability to solve it was much greater.

We invaded Iraq on March 20, 2003 and caught Saddam on December 13, 2003, nine months later.

By comparison, the CIA found bin Laden's camp in Afghanistan 1 month after 9/11. But he somehow miraculously 'escaped' into Pakistan in early November. We had most of October to bomb the living **** out of OBL and the entire al Qaeda leadership there at Tora Bora, yet it didn't happen.

Things aren't exactly as you're portraying them to be.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Now your post was full of revisionism; the media supported Obama's Arab Spring, which wasn't just an inevitable consequence of Bush's wars.

There's that pathologically dishonest revisionism again: it wasn't "Obama's Arab Spring" no matter how much you need it to have been.

Obama not only verbally supported the uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen, he actually bankrolled them. Plus he supplied arms to the rebels in many of these conflicts.

Which doesn't make them 'his'. They sprang up quite independent of Obama.

You're just regurgitating the party line that says Obama's 8 unremarkable years in office are George Bush's fault, when they told the American people in 2008 that Obama was going to be 'a different kind of President', full of 'hope and change'.

It's OK that you have to distort history to cling to a long debunked claim. I expect nothing less.

Obama was a beacon of hope, but only for the radical Islamists who benefitted from his sympathy.

Irrelevant to what I stated and, as usual, laughably dishonest. Your magical thinking is letting you down. Again.

 

[Tigerace117]

We've been down this road before, and you haven't matured I see. Still buying the Cheney/Rumsfeld lies.

I'll remind you again of Tora Bora, 2001, the CIA had bin Laden pinpointed in a caravan of al Qaeda that were camped there. The CIA requested military support to obliterate OBL and his crew, yet they were denied the military support they needed for almost a month. That decision must have come from the Pentagon, which was lead by Rumsfeld.

If Rumsfeld had been serious about killing OBL, we could have done it by late 2001. Instead, Rumsfeld let OBL slip in to Pakistan, wasting the hard work of the CIA's paramilitary operations, hundreds of millions of dollars, and loss of American life.

Now ask yourself why the Pentagon would refuse to assist the CIA with the support they needed, when they were certain that they had OBL within their sight, and he was miles from the Pakistani border.

My only guess is that Rumsfeld wanted OBL alive, not dead.

And you are still espousing the same old sad sack theories because you hero worship Saddam.

I hate to break it to you, but we did go into Tora Bora, and we went in in force. The area was not exactly condusive to an assault, yet we still sent an assault team in. The Delta Force and CIA team didn't attack Bin Laden's suspected position directly due to lack of information over how many Al Qaeda troops were in the area and a lack of support from Afghan troops. However, they did call in airstrikes on said position. The failure of said airstrikes was likely a key factor in President Obama's deciding on a raid rather than a air strike.

Big problem with your theory is that we still launched air raids on that position.

 

[Tigerace117]

How naive can one person be?

Saddam Hussein had make believe WMD, so we invade Iraq.

Iran is developing real WMD, so Obama releases $100 billion to them, and pats them on the butt.

Saudi Arabia financially contributed to 9/11, and they're our bestest friend in the Muslim world.

When will you ever wise up?

False. Chemical weapons are WMDs. We know for a fact Saddam Hussein had them because he used them on his own people. Perhaps you should learn some history.

"False WMDs"? Buddy, chemical weapons are much easier to procure than nukes, and nearly as dangerous.

There's no proof that the Saudi government, as opposed to Saudi individuals, were involved.

When will you learn anything? You keep making the same foolish mistakes.

 

[truthatallcost]

And you are still espousing the same old sad sack theories because you hero worship Saddam.

I couldn't care less about Saddam Hussein as a person. I personally like the Yazidi people much more than Iraqi Shi'a or Sunni. What do think about that? And I have American Iraqi Christian friends who I love, they've told me how bad Saddam was.

You're way off again Tiger.

I hate to break it to you, but we did go into Tora Bora, and we went in in force.

You haven't 'broken anything' because it isn't correct. But let's keep reading...

The area was not exactly condusive to an assault

What? Do you know the significance of Tora Bora to OBL? Do you know why the USA should have been completely equipped to obliterate any resistance at TB? Tell me what you know about that, if you aren't sure that's OK.

yet we still sent an assault team in. The Delta Force and CIA team didn't attack Bin Laden's suspected position directly due to lack of information over how many Al Qaeda troops were in the area and a lack of support from Afghan troops. However, they did call in airstrikes on said position.

We had more than enough capability to basically end the leadership of al Qaeda in one battle, that of Tora Bora. Instead, Don Rumsfeld foiled our efforts. Now either Rumsfeld was the worst Sec of Defense in the history of the country, or he wanted to keep OBL alive because he knew that the Iraqi Invasion he was planning for years wouldn't find American support if the perpetrators of 9/11 were already dead before any invasion of Iraq had commenced.

The failure of said airstrikes was likely a key factor in President Obama's deciding on a raid rather than a air strike.

Big problem with your theory is that we still launched air raids on that position.

We did. Not launching any kind of attack when bin Laden was within grasp would have seemed like what? A conspiracy to leave bin Laden alive.

 

[Tigerace117]

I couldn't care less about Saddam Hussein as a person. I personally like the Yazidi people much more than Iraqi Shi'a or Sunni. What do think about that? And I have American Iraqi Christian friends who I love, they've told me how bad Saddam was.

You're way off again Tiger.



You haven't 'broken anything' because it isn't correct. But let's keep reading...



What? Do you know the significance of Tora Bora to OBL? Do you know why the USA should have been completely equipped to obliterate any resistance at TB? Tell me what you know about that, if you aren't sure that's OK.



We had more than enough capability to basically end the leadership of al Qaeda in one battle, that of Tora Bora. Instead, Don Rumsfeld foiled our efforts. Now either Rumsfeld was the worst Sec of Defense in the history of the country, or he wanted to keep OBL alive because he knew that the Iraqi Invasion he was planning for years wouldn't find American support if the perpetrators of 9/11 were already dead before any invasion of Iraq had commenced.

The failure of said airstrikes was likely a key factor in President Obama's deciding on a raid rather than a air strike.



We did. Not launching any kind of attack when bin Laden was within grasp would have seemed like what? A conspiracy to leave bin Laden alive.

And yet, you'd rather they still be under his thumb, which rather suggests a lack of "love".

Oh, you don't think we fought a battle at Tora Bora?

Yep, it was his a base of operations, dating back to the days of the Soviets if I remember correctly. Do you know why it was so key? Because it's not an easy place to "obliterate."

Hmm.....

"During his interview on 60 Minutes to discuss his book, Fury said that his team saw a group whom they believed to be bin Laden and his bodyguards entering a cave. The team called down several bombing attacks on the site, and believed that they had killed bin Laden. Six months later, US and Canadian forces returned and checked several caves in the area, finding remains of al-Qaeda fighters, but not of bin Laden. Fury thought that bin Laden was injured during the bombing of the cave, but was hidden, given medical care, and assisted out of the area into Pakistan by allied local Afghans.[23]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora

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[truthatallcost]

False. Chemical weapons are WMDs. We know for a fact Saddam Hussein had them because he used them on his own people. Perhaps you should learn some history.

Did we invade Iraq over chemical weapons? Let's see what the Bush administration has to say about that, shall we?

"We know that he has the infrastructure, nuclear scientists to make a nuclear weapon," she told me. "The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

-Condoleeza Rice, January, 2003

CNN.com - Search for the 'smoking gun' - Jan. 10, 2003

Now George Bush, October 2002-

The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism and practices terror against its own people.

We also must never forget the most vivid events of recent history. On September 11, 2001, America felt its vulnerability -- even to threats that gather on the other side of the earth. Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

CNN.com - Bush: Don't wait for mushroom cloud - Oct. 6, 2002

Bush used the national tragedy of 9/11 to scare Americans into thinking Hussein might have nuclear weapons that he was going to use to kill Americans. You're giving Bush a pass by focusing on very old news concerning bio & chem weapons.

"False WMDs"? Buddy, chemical weapons are much easier to procure than nukes, and nearly as dangerous.

Not sure where you pulled that from.

There's no proof that the Saudi government, as opposed to Saudi individuals, were involved.

Here's where you must make a decision Tiger; either you're going to keep believing the Bush era lies, or you're going to wake up to the truth that your government sold you out.

"Washington (CNN)A long-classified U.S. report released Friday found that some of the 9/11 hijackers were in contact with and received support from individuals likely connected to the Saudi government.

"While in the United States, some of the September 11 hijackers were in contact with, and received support or assistance from, individuals who may be connected to the Saudi Government," the document says."

'28 pages': Congress releases report on alleged Saudi 9/11 ties - CNNPolitics.com

We have proof that

1) The Saudi ambassador to the US funded the 9/11 hijackers. He's part of the Saudi royal family.
2) The Bush administration knew about this since 2002, and didn't seek an investigation or criminal charges, instead they made this information classified and withheld if from the public.
3) The Saudi ambassador was allowed to live in the USA for 4 more years after 9/11, while his victims never got that chance.

When will you learn anything? You keep making the same foolish mistakes.

Really?

 

[Tigerace117]

Did we invade Iraq over chemical weapons? Let's see what the Bush administration has to say about that, shall we?

"We know that he has the infrastructure, nuclear scientists to make a nuclear weapon," she told me. "The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

-Condoleeza Rice, January, 2003

CNN.com - Search for the 'smoking gun' - Jan. 10, 2003

Now George Bush, October 2002-

The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. It has given shelter and support to terrorism and practices terror against its own people.

We also must never forget the most vivid events of recent history. On September 11, 2001, America felt its vulnerability -- even to threats that gather on the other side of the earth. Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.

CNN.com - Bush: Don't wait for mushroom cloud - Oct. 6, 2002

Bush used the national tragedy of 9/11 to scare Americans into thinking Hussein might have nuclear weapons that he was going to use to kill Americans. You're giving Bush a pass by focusing on very old news concerning bio & chem weapons.



Not sure where you pulled that from.



Here's where you must make a decision Tiger; either you're going to keep believing the Bush era lies, or you're going to wake up to the truth that your government sold you out.

"Washington (CNN)A long-classified U.S. report released Friday found that some of the 9/11 hijackers were in contact with and received support from individuals likely connected to the Saudi government.

"While in the United States, some of the September 11 hijackers were in contact with, and received support or assistance from, individuals who may be connected to the Saudi Government," the document says."

'28 pages': Congress releases report on alleged Saudi 9/11 ties - CNNPolitics.com

We have proof that

1) The Saudi ambassador to the US funded the 9/11 hijackers. He's part of the Saudi royal family.
2) The Bush administration knew about this since 2002, and didn't seek an investigation or criminal charges, instead they made this information classified and withheld if from the public.
3) The Saudi ambassador was allowed to live in the USA for 4 more years after 9/11, while his victims never got that chance.



Really?

And amazingly enough, he was attempting to build a nuclear bomb. That's historical fact; the Israelis had set him back with their air strike, but it was certainly not out of the question he'd try to add other WMDs to his chemical weapon stockpile.

And Bush was right. Iraq did seek a nuke, and they did use chemical weapons on their own people.

Saddam's brutality and willingness to use WMDs on civillians was not "old news"; it was a rather important fact.

The results of their use on the battlefield? The results of their use against civillians?

Oh, those same agencies that you claim are so wrong about Trump? Rather convienent how now you are accepting what they say.

Yep.

 

[truthatallcost]

And yet, you'd rather they still be under his thumb, which rather suggests a lack of "love".

What happened when Isis filled the vacuum? They slaughtered Christians wholesale. Christians once numbered 33% of Syria, now they're less than 5%. Are you really following what the hell has been going on in Iraq and Syria?

Oh, you don't think we fought a battle at Tora Bora?

One that we were designed to lose.

Yep, it was his a base of operations, dating back to the days of the Soviets if I remember correctly. Do you know why it was so key? Because it's not an easy place to "obliterate."

The CIA built OBL's lair at Tora Bora. How can you possibly think that they didn't know how to attack an area that THEY THEMSELVES SHAPED?

The CIA even had a regiment of 4,000 Marines begging to be let in to fight!

Post 9/11, Osama bin Laden took refuge in Tora Bora. At a time when Brig. Gen. James Mattis commanded 4,000 marines in Afghanistan, Mattis – now the United States Secretary of Defense – had requested permission to attack the caves. “Mattis, along with another officer with whom I spoke, was convinced that with these numbers he could have surrounded and sealed off bin Laden’s lair,” the NY Times reported, “[Mattis] argued strongly that he should be permitted to proceed to the Tora Bora caves,” but his request was denied a week later.

Denied, denied, denied. Every leader we had there was begging for permission to FIGHT THE ENEMY, and your dear leader at the Pentagon said no.

WikiLeaks: Bombed Afghanistan Tunnels ?Built by the CIA?

Hmm.....

"During his interview on 60 Minutes to discuss his book, Fury said that his team saw a group whom they believed to be bin Laden and his bodyguards entering a cave. The team called down several bombing attacks on the site, and believed that they had killed bin Laden. Six months later, US and Canadian forces returned and checked several caves in the area, finding remains of al-Qaeda fighters, but not of bin Laden. Fury thought that bin Laden was injured during the bombing of the cave, but was hidden, given medical care, and assisted out of the area into Pakistan by allied local Afghans.[23]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora

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'Six months later we finally got around to checkin to see if we'd killed the NUMBER 1 WANTED MAN IN THE WORLD.'

Sounds legit to you? Look, Fury's real name was Thomas Greer. He had to sent his book to the Pentagon for editing, where they change any part of the story they don't want released.

Greer was a great soldier, but I don't know that his version of events is 100% factual, because he was under pressure to keep his story in line with the Pentagon's 'OFFICIAL STORY'.

Greer would have had to either allow the Pentagon to edit his story, or miss out on any payment he might have received.

Matt Bissonette from SEAL Team 6 said **** the Pentagon, and published his book without edits. He paid a big price for it.

Any Pentagon approved info is probably bull****.

 

[Tigerace117]

What happened when Isis filled the vacuum? They slaughtered Christians wholesale. Christians once numbered 33% of Syria, now they're less than 5%. Are you really following what the hell has been going on in Iraq and Syria?



One that we were designed to lose.



The CIA built OBL's lair at Tora Bora. How can you possibly think that they didn't know how to attack an area that THEY THEMSELVES SHAPED?

The CIA even had a regiment of 4,000 Marines begging to be let in to fight!

Post 9/11, Osama bin Laden took refuge in Tora Bora. At a time when Brig. Gen. James Mattis commanded 4,000 marines in Afghanistan, Mattis – now the United States Secretary of Defense – had requested permission to attack the caves. “Mattis, along with another officer with whom I spoke, was convinced that with these numbers he could have surrounded and sealed off bin Laden’s lair,” the NY Times reported, “[Mattis] argued strongly that he should be permitted to proceed to the Tora Bora caves,” but his request was denied a week later.

Denied, denied, denied. Every leader we had there was begging for permission to FIGHT THE ENEMY, and your dear leader at the Pentagon said no.

WikiLeaks: Bombed Afghanistan Tunnels ?Built by the CIA?



'Six months later we finally got around to checkin to see if we'd killed the NUMBER 1 WANTED MAN IN THE WORLD.'

Sounds legit to you? Look, Fury's real name was Thomas Greer. He had to sent his book to the Pentagon for editing, where they change any part of the story they don't want released.

Greer was a great soldier, but I don't know that his version of events is 100% factual, because he was under pressure to keep his story in line with the Pentagon's 'OFFICIAL STORY'.

Greer would have had to either allow the Pentagon to edit his story, or miss out on any payment he might have received.

Matt Bissonette from SEAL Team 6 said **** the Pentagon, and published his book without edits. He paid a big price for it.

Any Pentagon approved info is probably bull****.

And yet, the US has aided immensely in rolling them back, and unlike under Saddam the Christians didn't have any potential chemical weapons attacks to worry about. Not to mention, of course, that Saddam's secret police play a key role in the ISIS heirarchy.

:roll:

Pretty sure constructing caves out of thin air is beyond even the CIA's pay grade. Even if they did, do you know how much can change in a couple decades? Old schematics would be of some use, but less than you seem to think.

Marines are often eager to fight. It's part of what makes them Marines.

Which doesn't change the fact that we still bombed the **** out of his caves.

Gee bud, maybe because they were so sure they'd gotten him the first time.

More conspiracy theories based on your own biases.

 

[truthatallcost]

And yet, the US has aided immensely in rolling them back, and unlike under Saddam the Christians didn't have any potential chemical weapons attacks to worry about. Not to mention, of course, that Saddam's secret police play a key role in the ISIS heirarchy.

:roll:

Pretty sure constructing caves out of thin air is beyond even the CIA's pay grade. Even if they did, do you know how much can change in a couple decades? Old schematics would be of some use, but less than you seem to think.

Marines are often eager to fight. It's part of what makes them Marines.

Which doesn't change the fact that we still bombed the **** out of his caves.

Gee bud, maybe because they were so sure they'd gotten him the first time.

More conspiracy theories based on your own biases.

Your posts get sloppier and sloppier when someone throws a little truth your way. No point in continuing, you'll just consult your bible of Bush and reply with nonsense.

I'd have thought that learning of the Saudi Ambassador's role in 9/11 would have woken you up a little, but you're committed to the government's version of events.

Anyone who has worked for the government knows that there's an official story, and the truth. They don't often get a chance to meet unless some brave person in government risks their ass to let their fellow Americans know what really went down.

 

[truthatallcost]

The CIA budget is much smaller than people realize. DOD has about 80% of intelligence assets/structure/etc.

"Trillions" is.... an order of magnitude off.

Thanks to Snowden, we know roughly how much our intelligence agencies request for budget:

The CIA's budget is the most expensive, $14.7bn (£9.5bn) out of $52.6bn in total for 16 intelligence agencies, according to the files.
According to the Washington Post, the CIA's budget has grown more than 50% since 2004. (I guess that means we're 50% safer than 2004? :mrgreen

US intelligence agencies' 'black budget' detailed - BBC News

 

[JackA]

Set for an October release, Hulu is in the process of making a new miniseries about the lead up to 9/11. Based on the book 'The Looming Tower' by Lawrence Wright, and starring Alec Baldwin as George Tenet (puke), this 'docudrama' promises to be more drama than documentary. That's because Lawrence Wright is a notorious Clinton defender, who lays blame for 9/11 solely at the feet of the American intelligence community.

Wright claims that the CIA bungled 9/11 due to its refusal to share information with law enforcement agencies, such as the FBI and NYPD. But he refuses to mention that the decision to cut off contact between these groups was actually a Clinton administration decision, spearheaded by Clinton lap dog Jamie Gorelick.

The former head of the CIA's Counterterrorism Program for targeting Osama bin Laden has revealed that Bill Clinton was given the location of al Qaeda's leader 10 fricking times from 1996-2000. Oh yeah, the CIA really is that good that they can find a person anywhere on earth. Unfortunately for America, Clinton wasn't interested in doing anything about bin Laden, wasted the CIA's opportunities to kill him, and is partly responsible for the deaths of 3,000 that died very horrific deaths.

The Looming Tower promises to be yet another attempt to revise history by the Clintons and their operatives in Hollywood.

You of course know the history well.

 

[Fledermaus]

Bush had 9 months to do something about osama but we all know he was busy blowing the bin Laden family instead.

:coffeepap

How did the crashed EP3 military plane and crew get returned ?

Do what exactly?

Did they know the time, date, method or the perpetrators of the attacks?

 

[truthatallcost]

You of course know the history well.

I think I do. Am I leaving anything out?

 

[truthatallcost]

Do what exactly?

Did they know the time, date, method or the perpetrators of the attacks?

Time- roughly as far as we can tell.
Date- I can't say.
Method- Yes.
Perpetrators- Yes.

 

[Fledermaus]

Time- roughly as far as we can tell.
Date- I can't say.
Method- Yes.
Perpetrators- Yes.

ORLY?

They KNEW the method of attack?

They KNEW the perpetrators?

Show me.

 

[cpwill]

Anyone who has worked for the government knows that there's an official story, and the truth. They don't often get a chance to meet unless some brave person in government risks their ass to let their fellow Americans know what really went down.

<--- worked in military intelligence for years. You are way off base in this thread. :shrug:

Want the "real inside dirt" on "how bin laden escaped"? Okedoke.

1. Rumsfeld made the decision that he wanted Afghan forces to do the capture, so it would look like US forces helping Afghans fix their country. That turned out to have been the wrong decision, as they weren't competent to the task.

2. OBL figured out that he needed to stay away from electronic communication devices.

3. Turns out the AF/Pak region is covered in mountains, which makes finding people who don't want to be found extremely difficult (we used to to our advantage when aiding the muj against the Soviets).

4. We did not understand nor could we take advantage of the human terrain like a network that had been living and intermarrying there for years.

5. Our manhunting TTPs and capabilities were still very nascent compared to where they are today.


Here's where most conspiracy theories break down: they assume some kind of omnipotent, omniscient government capable of making and carrying out intelligence decisions effectively and consistently. I don't know where that government exists, but it doesn't exist here in America.


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