Hollywood gun hypocrisy: Skyrocketing violence on screen...

[Tanngrisnir]

Totally agreed. I was responding to the claim that the OP was lying. Evidently liberal sources like CNN and Psych Today agree with the OP.

Except, of course, that they actually don't, and are contradicting by the more up to date link in the OP.

 

[MickeyW]

yeah the gun violence seems to be more graphic than the days of say PATTON or A Bridge too Far

but the main point is this-the people making big $$$ off of glorifying gun violence are often gun banners personally. those included Jack Lord (the original Hawaii 5-0) to modern day gun haters like Sigourney Weaver, Brad Pitt, Kevin Bacon and Sylvester "rambo" stallone

Yes, and with the exception of Jack Lord, I have contacted the others listed....... and many more.....on their hypocritical stance.
Bruce Willis, Clint Eastwood, William Shattner, Gerald McRainey, and Tom Selleck, are some of the best Pro-gun actors, out there.

 

[Chomsky]

Yes it is. I've shot every modern handgun S&W has ever made and some oldies as well.

For those of us who reload, lighter loads can be had to reduce the felt recoil and sound. Reduced handgun loads were used in the Dirty Harry movies. A person can also use .44 Specials, in the magnums, which are very pleasant to shoot.

Sidenote: We can also reload them to be even hotter than factory ammo. I developed one load that puts out a foot of flame from the barrel and approximately 3 inches of flame on either side of the cylinder.
I don't really recommend that kind of diet for the S&Ws and would rather use it in a Ruger Redhawk or Super Redhawk. Neither do I relish punishing the gun or myself, so I only made up a few and they just sit in a box in the vault.

So similar to loading 38 spec in a .357, it seems?

Yet I remember hearing it wasn't a good idea to use the specials too often in a mag chambered gun. Something to do with the difference in the deposit patterns in the cylinders.

Could the specs & mags differ in case length? I believe that was the concern.

 

[MickeyW]

After firing a 44 mag, I can fully appreciate the desire to load 44 Specials!

In the years following the movie, the prices and the run on 44 mag model 29's was astronomical! They were priced well over retail by me, and pushing a grand ca. 1980. And that's in 1980 dollars!

A lot of goofy guys were taking gun naive petite g/f's to ranges, and putting one in their hands to get a reaction. And it was effective. I saw a noob girl that fired a 44 mag model 29 after only squeezing-off two rounds of standard 38 Specials just prior.

After a huge "Bam!", a blast pattern maybe a yard wide from flames & gases escaping the sides of the cylinder, and enough smoke to engulf her entire stall, she on-the-spot decided she didn't like guns. Thank God she held on!

There's a reason God gave us 22's ...

Yep, all true. I only allow nubbies to shoot .22s until they have some confidence.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Post #13 covers that. It's not a lie at all.

No, it didn't. And now you're lying again.

Why don't you just address the topic, as written, instead of going out of your way to bash me every time I post anything?

I did address the topic; in terms of your rank misrepresentation of it and dishonesty. If you don't like being bashed for lying, stop lying.

And why do you feel the need to defend Hollywood?

I haven't defended Hollywood. Yet another lie.

You can't help but prove my point every time you reply to me.

 

[MickeyW]

So similar to loading 38 spec in a .357, it seems?

Yet I remember hearing it wasn't a good idea to use the specials too often in a mag chambered gun. Something to do with the difference in the deposit patterns in the cylinders.

Could the specs & mags differ in case length? I believe that was the concern.

That is a concern of using a shorter round in any magnum. You just have to clean more often or use jacket bullets instead of lead. Plus the accuracy and leading is affected sightly because of the "bullet jump" from the cylinder to the forcing cone in the barrel.
A way around that is to down load the magnums using magnum casings. You are limited on reduced loads with jacketed bullets, due to stripping of the jacket in the barrel. But with lead loads, as long as you have enough powder to get the bullet out a few yards, that works fine.
Most primers will push a bullet about 2 inches into the barrel, so you don't need a lot of powder to push it out(lead only).

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes, and with the exception of Jack Lord, I have contacted the others listed....... and many more.....on their hypocritical stance.
Bruce Willis, William Shattner, Gerald McRainey, and Tom Selleck, are some of the best Pro-gun actors, out there.

William Shattner shot the Vegas shoot at least once-its the biggest indoor archery tournament in the world and before World Archery/FITA started holding indoor world championships in the early 90s (IIRC) the Vegas shoot was seen as the unofficial world event. John Millus-who produced Red Dawn-among other films-was a pretty good skeet and clays shooter and Robert Stack was a HS all-American skeet shooter and when the NRA was the NGB for Olympic skeet, the national title was called the Robert Stack Trophy

 

[Chomsky]

Yep, all true. I only allow nubbies to shoot .22s until they have some confidence.

Sage advice ...

 

[TurtleDude]

That is a concern of using a shorter round in any magnum. You just have to clean more often or use jacket bullets instead of lead. Plus the accuracy and leading is affected sightly because of the "bullet jump" from the cylinder to the forcing cone in the barrel.
A way around that is to down load the magnums using magnum casings. You are limited on reduced loads with jacketed bullets, due to stripping of the jacket in the barrel. But with lead loads, as long as you have enough powder to get the bullet out a few yards, that works fine.
Most primers will push a bullet about 2 inches into the barrel, so you don't need a lot of powder to push it out(lead only).

my first PPC pistol as a used Davis built Model 19 which of course could chamber the 357 magnum. So I loaded 357 magnums like 38 Sp. target loads-2.5 of Bullseye with a star 148 grain DEWC since the 357 round was more accurate out of that rig than a 38SP. it worked, I got the coveted 60X score. after I got out of PPC though, i went back to only loading 38SP and when I shoot a revolver these days its normally an 8 shot SW PC loaded with 38 Short Colts since they reload faster and our steel league doesn't have a minimum PF when I have to meet the PF I shoot a 9mm Miculeck custom SW PC revolver
that 38 Short colt in a steel frame 627 is a good one for noobs as well since there is almost no recoil with my steel loads which are a 125 grain lead bullet going less than 700 FPS

 

[Rucker61]

And tripling since 1985 isn't 'skyrocketing'; without real numbers it's a meaningless claim.

What is "skyrocketing"? How do you feel about the actual subject of the thread, that Hollywood seems to be very hypocritical with regards to guns and violence?

 

[MickeyW]

No, it didn't. And now you're lying again.

I did address the topic; in terms of your rank misrepresentation of it and dishonesty. If you don't like being bashed for lying, stop lying.

I haven't defended Hollywood. Yet another lie.

You can't help but prove my point every time you reply to me.

No lie, I posted this article off of the Drudge report and posted it accurately. Their title. I don't knowingly or intentionally misrepresent anything I post here.
You have defended Hollywood in past posting, so I take that as a standard for you. You have no point, only critical complaints on every post to everyone you post to.
Why do you feel the need to be this way with everyone? What is your work history...tell us about yourself and why you claim to be such an authority in all subjects?

 

[Tanngrisnir]

What is "skyrocketing"? How do you feel about the actual subject of the thread, that Hollywood seems to be very hypocritical with regards to guns and violence?

That's just it: it hasn't been defined to any reasonable measure here, but the general take on the word isn't supported by the any links thus far given.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

No lie, I posted this article off of the Drudge report and posted it accurately. Their title. I don't knowingly or intentionally misrepresent anything I post here.

Yup, totally a lie, not supported by what you linked to.

You have defended Hollywood in past posting, so I take that as a standard for you.

No, I haven't. Please stop lying.

You have no point, only critical complaints on every post to everyone you post to.

I'm addressing your dishonesty in terms of what you posted. Don't like it? Tough.

Why do you feel the need to be this way with everyone? What is your work history...tell us about yourself and why you claim to be such an authority in all subjects?

I'm not that way w/everyone. Yet another lie.

I don't claim to be an authority on all subjects. Yet another lie. Unlike you, I never try and hold forth on things I don't understand.

You should look into that.

 

[Rucker61]

That's just it: it hasn't been defined to any reasonable measure here, but the general take on the word isn't supported by the any links thus far given.

What's the general take on the word?

Do you feel equally motivated to respond to politicians who refer to a "epidemic of violence"?

 

[TurtleDude]

That's just it: it hasn't been defined to any reasonable measure here, but the general take on the word isn't supported by the any links thus far given.

where I think the violence has become more pronounced is not the number of casualties but the graphic depiction of what you might call round impact. In the old films-plenty of people got shot but you didn't see the blood splatter etc. Take the old Errol Flynn films-people getting killed with swords vs the sword violence in "300" or John Wayne's the Green Beret vs something like Saving Private Ryan.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

What's the general take on the word?

*facepalm* You're kidding me, right? You don't actually know?

verb (used without object)
4. to rise or increase rapidly or suddenly, especially to unexpected or unprecedented levels

Do you feel equally motivated to respond to politicians who refer to a "epidemic of violence"?

If their claims are objectively falsified by available data? Of course.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

where I think the violence has become more pronounced is not the number of casualties but the graphic depiction of what you might call round impact. In the old films-plenty of people got shot but you didn't see the blood splatter etc. Take the old Errol Flynn films-people getting killed with swords vs the sword violence in "300" or John Wayne's the Green Beret vs something like Saving Private Ryan.

Quite true. The manner of depiction of violence has changed radically over the years. Things started to change toot sweet when ol' Sam Peckinpah got serious and the whole 70s verite style of film making came into vogue.

And, if you look at the films of Peckinpah that were controversial when they came out, they're comical by today's standards.

I always love Python's take on it:

 

[Rucker61]

*facepalm* You're kidding me, right? You don't actually know?

verb (used without object)
4. to rise or increase rapidly or suddenly, especially to unexpected or unprecedented levels

Remarkable lacking in actual numbers. Are there any circumstances in which a tripling of occurrences would be regarding as "skyrocketing? If not, what is the multiplier the average reader should infer from your posted definition? Did we expect violence to rise in PG-13 movies to rise 300% in the years covered by the links I posted?

 

[jmotivator]

"the massive Smith & Wesson Colt .44"?

What the hell is a S&W Colt?

It's kind of like the H&K Beretta or the Remington Glock.

 

[MickeyW]

William Shattner shot the Vegas shoot at least once-its the biggest indoor archery tournament in the world and before World Archery/FITA started holding indoor world championships in the early 90s (IIRC) the Vegas shoot was seen as the unofficial world event. John Millus-who produced Red Dawn-among other films-was a pretty good skeet and clays shooter and Robert Stack was a HS all-American skeet shooter and when the NRA was the NGB for Olympic skeet, the national title was called the Robert Stack Trophy

I knew Stack was a champion skeet shooter, but I didn't know all that about him. :thumbs:

my first PPC pistol as a used Davis built Model 19 which of course could chamber the 357 magnum. So I loaded 357 magnums like 38 Sp. target loads-2.5 of Bullseye with a star 148 grain DEWC since the 357 round was more accurate out of that rig than a 38SP. it worked, I got the coveted 60X score. after I got out of PPC though, i went back to only loading 38SP and when I shoot a revolver these days its normally an 8 shot SW PC loaded with 38 Short Colts since they reload faster and our steel league doesn't have a minimum PF when I have to meet the PF I shoot a 9mm Miculeck custom SW PC revolver
that 38 Short colt in a steel frame 627 is a good one for noobs as well since there is almost no recoil with my steel loads which are a 125 grain lead bullet going less than 700 FPS

Interesting stuff. My only experience with .38 Short Colts is from shooting them out of my US Revolver Co. Top Break(circa 1930) and a few others belonging to friends.

Yup, totally a lie, not supported by what you linked to.

No, I haven't. Please stop lying.

I'm addressing your dishonesty in terms of what you posted. Don't like it? Tough.

I'm not that way w/everyone. Yet another lie.

I don't claim to be an authority on all subjects. Yet another lie. Unlike you, I never try and hold forth on things I don't understand.

You should look into that.

I'd say, if you don't like what I post....tough .....then don't bother to comment.

What's the general take on the word?

Do you feel equally motivated to respond to politicians who refer to a "epidemic of violence"?

Good question.

where I think the violence has become more pronounced is not the number of casualties but the graphic depiction of what you might call round impact. In the old films-plenty of people got shot but you didn't see the blood splatter etc. Take the old Errol Flynn films-people getting killed with swords vs the sword violence in "300" or John Wayne's the Green Beret vs something like Saving Private Ryan.

Yes indeed. That alone can leave people with an impression of "skyrocketing" violence.

Great points.

 

[Crimefree]

So similar to loading 38 spec in a .357, it seems?

Yet I remember hearing it wasn't a good idea to use the specials too often in a mag chambered gun. Something to do with the difference in the deposit patterns in the cylinders.

Could the specs & mags differ in case length? I believe that was the concern.

It is 38sp cases that are the problem being shorter than 357mag. It also applies to those who do not know that the cylinder needs to be brushed out as well. The short gap 1/10 of an inch fills with powder residue eventually and possibly lead/copper shavings. I never worried about shooting 38sp in my 357mag but I keep my guns clean. inside and outside

 

[MickeyW]

It is 38sp cases that are the problem being shorter than 357mag. It also applies to those who do not know that the cylinder needs to be brushed out as well. The short gap 1/10 of an inch fills with powder residue eventually and possibly lead/copper shavings. I never worried about shooting 38sp in my 357mag but I keep my guns clean. inside and outside

All correct. There also seems to be more buildup in that small area between the frame and the back of the barrel.
I use a SS dental pick in that area, and other places, to scrape out debris. I also use a SS brush in the cylinder, but never in the barrel. In most of my PPC competition, I used the swagged 148gr, HBWC and they are soft. My cast loads are much harder.

 

[WCH]

"the massive Smith & Wesson Colt .44"?

What the hell is a S&W Colt?

Must be a hybrid.

 

[WCH]

I own a Ruger SP101 and can shoot about 5 rounds of .357 FMJ before changing back to the 38SP. I broke my right thumb years ago and it hurts.

 

[WCH]

All correct. There also seems to be more buildup in that small area between the frame and the back of the barrel.
I use a SS dental pick in that area, and other places, to scrape out debris. I also use a SS brush in the cylinder, but never in the barrel. In most of my PPC competition, I used the swagged 148gr, HBWC and they are soft. My cast loads are much harder.

I usually clean the cylinders but, thanks for the info. I didn't know that.