I agree 100% but again Im no majority voice but what you state above is definitely what Ive encountered with friends and family
seems that other poster thinks you have "wishful thinking" lol I totally disagree, while I acknowledge you or I could be wrong what we both said is not crazy or wishful thnking it very well could be reality.
What other posters think is irrelevant, only what is actually true matters.
Correct, which is why it's preposterous to say the "overwhelming majority" celebrate Christmas "with no religious overtones whatsoever." I mean, that's just quite staggeringly untrue, and indeed wishful thinking.
Correct, which is why it's preposterous to say the "overwhelming majority" celebrate Christmas "with no religious overtones whatsoever." I mean, that's just quite staggeringly untrue, and indeed wishful thinking.
Correct, which is why it's preposterous to say the "overwhelming majority" celebrate Christmas "with no religious overtones whatsoever." I mean, that's just quite staggeringly untrue, and indeed wishful thinking.
Hanuka, but I practically never participate in the materialistic side of this season. Minimally in the religious side.
I can't believe no one has mentioned Festivus for the rest of us this year.
Demonstrate that it's staggeringly untrue.
unless you have a very loos meaning of religious overtones id say you are the one with wishful thinking. Like i said earlier if it enough to just tell kids, if they ask to say its when christ was born or have a nativity set or they go to an extra mass or what ever their church may do then I guess you can consider yourself right. But I dont know anybody that does more than the aforementioned and those people are in the minority.
Not to mention since the word CELEBRATE was in his sentence, I definitely wouldnt call that celebrating with religion, just saying
minumum you both are over stating your side but in reality Id say he is closer to the truth unless like I already said, you consider the above celebrating with religion
His words were "overwhelming majority" and "no religious overtones whatsoever."
Attending a service or a mass is indeed celebrating the religion in the holiday.
Great, 78% report doing nothing religious and you think this somehow makes what I said wrong?
Great, 78% report doing nothing religious and you think this somehow makes what I said wrong?
you're welcome to that opinion but IMO I disagree just seems to easy to associate anything with anything then. Ive gone with various people to various religious events (or other events)I wouldnt consider myself celebrating anything with them. just saying,
The point is I dont think you me or whoever gets to decide what celebrating is for others. I think its a majority that do nothing more than I said (I dont know anybody that does anything more) and the people that do those things are a vast minority in my life circles anyway.
Also of that vast minority that "I" know that do those things or even attend a mass "some" of them have said themselves they just go to do it, to be seen, for the social side not to "celebrate" "religiously"
again my disclaimer these are only the people "I" know so take it for what it is but Ill just go on record saying this, I wont say he is right cause he may very well be wron
BUT
if I was making a bet Id put my money on him being closer to reality than I ever would you saying he is "quite staggeringly" wrong and it is "indeed wishful thinking"
Well, you know what? No matter what else you want to call it, attending a religious service is, indisputably, a "religious overtone." So yeah, wishful thinking.
uhm guess you missed the part about me saying the vast minority that I know do that so NO my money still rides on him LMAO
I really don't care who you know; anecdotal evidence isn't evidence.
This Christmas, 78% of Americans Identify as Christian
But believe what you want, of course.