Holdout governors face pressure to issue stay-at-home orders

[Bullseye]

Not at all. what's the point of one state following a stay at home lock down if the neighboring state is not dong a damn thing about it order to protect the all mighty dollar. Shortsightedness is a conservative trait.

Who said anything about a state "doing nothing at all"? Got nothing to do with "almighty dollar" or conservative traits; that's even stupider than the first post.

 

[Chomsky]

Miami-Dade and Broward got worse and bled into Palm Beach. Tampa got a handle. The college towns emptied and Jacksonville lost tourism.

1] So, you're saying a population exodus brought a decrease in infection in some areas?

2] Couldn't find that site. Have a link?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Nobody gets a test without symptoms unless it's suspected they've recently been infected and recovered from coronavirus. There just isn't enough test kits to test everyone, if there were, the numbers of people carrying this virus and spreading it around would spike drastically. Two days ago, 11% of the NYPD called out sick. That's approximately 4,000 police that aren't on the job. That's 4,000 NYPD officers that are out sick, and hundreds have COVID-19. Three have died in the past two days. There aren't enough test kits, there aren't enough masks to protect these police officers. It's devastating and only getting worse. You can hear the desperation in the voice of Andrew Cuomo getting greater every day.

My nephew works in Ct. for the railroad, Metro North. He was offered $10 more an hour to go work in Manhattan underground in the rail yards. He took the offer. Now, he's sick with fever and chest congestion and home with his wife and two children. If he has coronavirus - and I don't even know if he has been tested yet, he'll give it to his wife and kids. He is someone who needs to be tested and qualifies to be tested. But there's a chance he hasn't been tested.

Who among two "ordinary" people infected with COVID-19 is more likely to spread COVID-19, while say shopping for beer (yep, patronizing an 'essential' business) - person A who is terribly sick and got tested to confirm it or person B who shows no symptoms and therefore will (can?) not been tested? If you said person A then there is no hope for us to slow the COVID-19 spread rate.

Another very stupid thing having "experts" trying to tell ordinary folks that wearing masks will offer them no protection from others carrying COVID-19 , yet that wearing those same masks is essential to protect "experts" who may come into contact with OVID-19 carriers. Why tell that obvious lie rather than the simple truth that since there are not enough masks for everyone to have them, that those masks should be given to those more likely to encounter COVID-19 infected persons?

Personally I am offended by having the MSM and government funded "experts" tell me lies.

 

[bongsaway]

You mean the Florida Democratic candidate Andrew Gillum found in a motel room with meth and an unconscious man who had overdosed and heart stopped - while Gillum was vomiting in the bathroom. Your perfect candidate for governor?

That's the guy but he wasn't governor when he was ****faced. There were no meth charges against him. He isn't a proven thief like Scott our current senator.

 

[HumblePi]

We are getting hit pretty hard by me (hospital capacity is holding - though!). But, I'll tell you how the nurses & healthcare workers are handling this here. They are making every arrangement possible to not have their families at home. It's really the only way. They have to come home to an empty house or apartment, keeping their families at relatives. They break-off physical contact with their loved ones. I think those like your nephew that work in essential services at our regard, may have to do the same as our local healthcare workers.

This damn bug is just too damn hot. It's turning-out to be contagious as hell. The hospitals getting hit have become breeding grounds. Some portion of the staff is now assumed to get infected. Of this there is absolutely no doubt. If you work in a hospital, you've got to protect your family according.

We've got to show our healthcare workers gratitude beyond compare. Their travails bring a tear to my eye, I'm not ashamed to say.

There was an EMT from NY that said that EMT workers are afraid to take this home since they're in direct contact, so they're not going home at all, they're living in their cars. A friend of mine is a policeman, he had to put a suspect in the police car, the guy was positive for coronavirus so now he's forced to quarantine himself at home, he and his family may all be vulnerable to that infection.

 

[ecofarm]

1] So, you're saying a population exodus brought a decrease in infection in some areas?

2] Couldn't find that site. Have a link?

It drastically lowered density and the percentage of travelers, and closed most businesses before state recommendations. Even Orlando has seen things relax, as no one goes to theme parks or international hubs.

It's the one that links "Dashboard". ArcView is GIS software.

Note, the darkness of blue is relative. Everywhere continues to see increased cases.

 

[HumblePi]

Who among two "ordinary" people infected with COVID-19 is more likely to spread COVID-19, while say shopping for beer (yep, patronizing an 'essential' business) - person A who is terribly sick and got tested to confirm it or person B who shows no symptoms and therefore will (can?) not been tested? If you said person A then there is no hope for us to slow the COVID-19 spread rate.

Another very stupid thing having "experts" trying to tell ordinary folks that wearing masks will offer them no protection from others carrying COVID-19 , yet that wearing those same masks is essential to protect "experts" who may come into contact with OVID-19 carriers. Why tell that obvious lie rather than the simple truth that since there are not enough masks for everyone to have them, that those masks should be given to those more likely to encounter COVID-19 infected persons?

Personally I am offended by having the MSM and government funded "experts" tell me lies.

If a person has been tested positive, they have to self-quarantine and wear a mask if they absolutely have to go out. That person, if they don't wear a mask can infect someone only if they cough or sneeze and the virus is airborne. WHO stands by their recommendation to not wear masks if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick.

 

[mike2810]

Arizona's governor Doug Ducey just issued a stay at home order..........sorta.

“Stay Home, Stay Healthy, Stay Connected” | Office of the Arizona Governor

Actually the Gov encouraged stay at home a while back.

I can say that there are still a number of Arizonans not keeping their distance while out and about.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Actually the Gov encouraged stay at home a while back.

I can say that there are still a number of Arizonans not keeping their distance while out and about.

Yes, I've noticed that. I had to make a stop in Oro Valley with one of my RA's, and there was a mob of 60/70-ish folks in cycle gear sitting around bull****ting in front of a Brueger's Deli. Madness.

 

[ttwtt78640]

If a person has been tested positive, they have to self-quarantine and wear a mask if they absolutely have to go out. That person, if they don't wear a mask can infect someone only if they cough or sneeze and the virus is airborne. WHO stands by their recommendation to not wear masks if you are not sick or not caring for someone who is sick.

The WHO "stood by" the "fact" that COVID-19 could not be transmitted person to person until China told them it was OK to say something different. Nonsense, any infected person can transmit the disease if you touch what they recently touched - like the door to the beer cooler and then touch your face (prior to washing your hands well).

 

[ecofarm]

1] So, you're saying a population exodus brought a decrease in infection in some areas?

2] Couldn't find that site. Have a link?

Decreased rates relative to other counties (Dade, Broward, Palm Beach).

Found a link.

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

 

[HumblePi]

The WHO "stood by" the "fact" that COVID-19 could not be transmitted person to person until China told them it was OK to say something different. Nonsense, any infected person can transmit the disease if you touch what they recently touched - like the door to the beer cooler and then touch your face (prior to washing your hands well).

That's what I've been trying to say for days, it's the contact, the direct hand to object contact that passes this more than droplet or aerosol. We touch objects every day in public, we touch our face, lips, eyes, and instantly take that virus into our system. People just have to get into the habit of hand washing frequently.

 

[ecofarm]

1] So, you're saying a population exodus brought a decrease in infection in some areas?

2] Couldn't find that site. Have a link?

I don't mean to bug ya, but one last note. Miami is the only real halfway-city in Florida and an international destination. It's flowing north from there. Palm Beach wasn't dense last week.

 

[Lord Tammerlain]

One size doesn't fit all. The state should be in a position to best assess its situation and make the decisions on what level of "stay home" is necessary.

The choices in one state can effect other states

A few New Yorkers who are infected could go to Florida, and cause a spike in infections among people living and working in Florida.

A could of stupid Quebecor's flew up to a very remote village in the Yukon to escape the virus. If they were infected they could cause that location to have a spike in infections (and medical care in that location would be poor

 

[Chomsky]

Decreased rates relative to other counties (Dade, Broward, Palm Beach).

Found a link.

Operations Dashboard for ArcGIS

Thanks. 6K infected? That genie ain't going back into the bottle. I think what may have happened is the different areas all started relatively similarly being injected via international & interstate travel, then population density took over.

 

[ecofarm]

Thanks. 6K infected? That genie ain't going back into the bottle. I think what may have happened is the different areas all started relatively similarly being injected via international & interstate travel, then population density took over.

Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Gainesville and Tallahassee are not the concern. They stay locked down a bit and they're good.

The wave to break is flowing north from Miami through Palm Beach County. We'll see what happens to Martin, St. Lucie and Indian River counties. Hopefully they will prevent that wave from meeting in Orlando.

There's also a westward flow from Miami that needs to not meet Tampa. It's also 2-3 counties currently relatively unaffected.

Kinda funny to rely on the small towns to break the waves between cities.

 

[Parrish]

We have no idea how many are infected, asymptomatic or immune since so few tests have been done and readily available. We we told anyone who wants a test can get one. That is not true. That is a lie.

So, are you feeling lucky?

 

[ecofarm]

In Florida, low population density counties are wondering "hey, we have a handful of cases, why us?" They don't see that they are firebreaks.

The Gov of Florida needs to explain to the backwoods asking "why are you bothering us?", it is they, our bumpkins, that must hold the line. Hopefully, we compartmentalize it.

 

[Michael Cole]

One size doesn't fit all. The state should be in a position to best assess its situation and make the decisions on what level of "stay home" is necessary.

Perhaps, but one state's decision affects neighboring states' decisions. There's something to gain from uniformity in this case.

 

[Bullseye]

Perhaps, but one state's decision affects neighboring states' decisions. There's something to gain from uniformity in this case.

Or, states can coordinate with their neighbors.

 

[Michael Cole]

Or, states can coordinate with their neighbors.

Yes, this is an option, but disputes can and do occur, especially around areas of high infection. It's too late now, but I think a uniform set of protocols may have lessened the panic seen in RI for example. The governors have to worry about their own states. It's the Fed's job to facilitate information and procedure between and among them.

 

[Bullseye]

Yes, this is an option, but disputes can and do occur, especially around areas of high infection. It's too late now, but I think a uniform set of protocols may have lessened the panic seen in RI for example. The governors have to worry about their own states. It's the Fed's job to facilitate information and procedure between and among them.

I wasn't thinking about high population states. More like Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, etc. They're not huge travel hubs like NY, FL, CA, etc. Particularly now with most tourist areas shutdown. Nor do they have a lot of pass through traffic. It's likely they would come up with isolation laws much like every other state but IMHO, that should be their choice.

 

[Da Mole]

That was so cute. Have another martini.

Ha Ha on me. Just got a 3 point penalty for referring to the first portion of your name. A name that would suggest that you are familiar with such an item. Go figure!
Come to think of it maybe you should be scolded for suggesting that I am a drunk. Isn't booze a drug also?

 

[bongsaway]

Ha Ha on me. Just got a 3 point penalty for referring to the first portion of your name. A name that would suggest that you are familiar with such an item. Go figure!
Come to think of it maybe you should be scolded for suggesting that I am a drunk. Isn't booze a drug also?

In my opinion, the number one drug of abuse in america, however, it's legal. Another thing, I said, go have another martini. So tell me, how is that suggesting you're an abuser, a drunk? And we're the ones spreading lies right?

 

[Da Mole]

In my opinion, the number one drug of abuse in america, however, it's legal. Another thing, I said, go have another martini. So tell me, how is that suggesting you're an abuser, a drunk? And we're the ones spreading lies right?

What's wrong with this back and forth? I made a lighthearted comment regarding a bong which is in you name. You answered with a similar comment which I certainly too no offense to. The overly sensitive powers that be dinged me, claiming that I was calling you a drug user. All out of proportion, enough already!