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History is nothing more than the struggle between freedom and govt?

JamesBY said:
You are the one who is afraid.
I have given the sources where they are all listed.
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if you gave me a primary source saying Democrat Party in 18th Century I didn't see it . Show it to me again or admit to being a typical liberal
 
James972 said:
if you gave me a primary source saying Democratic-Republican Party in 18th Century I didn't see it . Show it to me again or admit to being a typical liberal
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Why are you so afraid of my entire post that you have to cut it, James? You have lost this very argument so many times and places before.

You are the one who is afraid.

I have given the sources where they are all (PRIMARY SOURCES) listed.

The Jefferson Party came to be known as the Democratic-Republican Party and was commonly used as such. It was based on slave owning interests and perverted neo-capitalism interested only in captive slave economies.

The Democratic-Republicans were for wealth and business and became the Whigs and later the Republicans, as the Federalist Party failed and joined the D-R. You love Alexander Hamilton and the big businessmen. You loved the Whig Party. You love the Republican Party. You love the concentration of wealth in unregulated capitalism, which only enslaves and never frees humans.

Show me where I am wrong, but you can't.
 
JamesBY said:
Show me where I am wrong, but you can't.
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"Do you know Jefferson created the Democratic Party in cahoots with Aaron Burr?"

wrong above. Do you want to bet $10,000 legally binding or not???????
 
James972 said:
"Do you know Jefferson created the Democratic Party in cahoots with Aaron Burr?"

wrong above. Do you want to bet $10,000 legally binding or not???????
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You bet elsewhere, lost, and refused to pay off.

Go to, James, you are trolling now.
 
JamesBY said:
You bet elsewhere, lost, and refused to pay off.

Go to, James, you are trolling now.
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so greatest historian on subject is trolling because you lack character to admit you were wrong and to learn from your experience??


JamesBY:"Do you know Jefferson created the Democratic Party in cahoots with Aaron Burr?"

A.James Reichley "The Life of the Parties"( most thorough look at Party history ever written) Page 52


"In referring to political parties I have adopted the names which the respective parties used in self-designation. Thus the Jeffersonian party has been referred to throughout as the Republican Party. This name came into use early in the 1790's among persons who considered themselves of a common political "interest", and the term "Republican interest" was generally used until it was replaced by the more definite "Republican Party".
 
Since I have been teasing with you, I do admit you have a tiny bit of the proof but ignore the far greater historical reality

"Democratic-Republican Party, originally (1792–98) [as a] Republican Party, first opposition political party in the United States. Organized in 1792 as the Republican Party, its members held power nationally between 1801 and 1825. It was the direct antecedent of the present Democratic Party." https://www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Republican-Party

So Jefferson was the spirit of the later Democratic Party. How about that James?
 
JamesBY said:
Since I have been teasing with you, I do admit you have a tiny bit of the proof but ignore the far greater historical reality

"Democratic-Republican Party, originally (1792–98) [as a] Republican Party, first opposition political party in the United States. Organized in 1792 as the Republican Party, its members held power nationally between 1801 and 1825. It was the direct antecedent of the present Democratic Party." https://www.britannica.com/topic/Democratic-Republican-Party

So Jefferson was the spirit of the later Democratic Party. How about that James?
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most importantly you have to ask why Democrats and historians have claimed Jefferson as their Founder?? Ans: because that gives them a connection to the founding when in reality they are communists with no connections whatsoever.
I heard recently they have dropped their Jefferson Jackson celebrations.
 
James972 said:
most importantly you have to ask why Democrats and historians have claimed Jefferson as their Founder?? Ans: because that gives them a connection to the founding when in reality they are communists with no connections whatsoever.
I heard recently they have dropped their Jefferson Jackson celebrations.
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Sure, James, sure. :)
 
JamesBY said:
Sure, James, sure. :)
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translation: as a typical liberal I am unable to respond substantively, or bet that I was right in my assertion that Burr helped Jefferson form the Democratic party.
 
James972 said:
translation: as a typical liberal I am unable to respond substantively, or bet that I was right in my assertion that Burr helped Jefferson form the Democratic party.
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Translation, James as a confused libertarian who understand the intricacies of neither history nor economics, I submit once again

"Democratic-Republican Party, originally (1792–98) [as a] Republican Party, first opposition political party in the United States. Organized in 1792 as the Republican Party, its members held power nationally between 1801 and 1825. It was the direct antecedent of the present Democratic Party." https://www.britannica.com/topic/Dem...publican-Party

You have copied your argument on that of Edward Baiamonte online, and it is confused as are his. I have PMd you where to send the $10 grand.
 
JamesBY said:
Translation, James as a confused libertarian who understand the intricacies of neither history nor economics, I submit once again

"Democratic-Republican Party, originally (1792–98) [as a] Republican Party, first opposition political party in the United States. Organized in 1792 as the Republican Party, its members held power nationally between 1801 and 1825. It was the direct antecedent of the present Democratic Party." https://www.britannica.com/topic/Dem...publican-Party

You have copied your argument on that of Edward Baiamonte online, and it is confused as are his. I have PMd you where to send the $10 grand.
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a encyclopedia is not a primary source, but a primary source would be worth $10,000 to you. Shall I assume you have accepted a legally binding bet?
 
James972 said:
a encyclopedia is not a primary source, but a primary source would be worth $10,000 to you. Shall I assume you have accepted a legally binding bet?
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All of the sources I gave you are full of primary sources, but you refuse to look at them. You have lost your bet numerous times on other Boards and then refused to pay. You have failed then, you have failed now. Jefferson formed what became known as the Democratic-Republican Party, not the Federalists the forerunners of the GOP that you love. Tis what it is, James. :)
 
Ummm...so when the Boston Bruins won the Stanley Cup in 1970...that 'history' (and that IS history) was nothing more than the struggle between freedom and govt?

Naaaa.
 
Tigerace117 said:
I hate to break it to you, but despite what they taught you in la la land, conservatives have no real objection to big government when they are the ones running it.

You certainly argue at the kindergarten level.
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The same thought had struck me.
 
JamesBY said:
All of the sources I gave you are full of primary sources, but you refuse to look at them.
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you say they are full of primary sources but you cant show one of these primary source even when it would be worth $10,000 to you?? Does that mean you are a shameless liar?? What else could it mean???
 
Tigerace117 said:
conservatives have no real objection to big government when they are the ones running it.
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??? if conservatives are content running a big govt then they cant be real conservatives since real conservatives like our Founders were for little govt. Now do you understand??
 
James972 said:
you say they are full of primary sources but you cant show one of these primary source even when it would be worth $10,000 to you?? Does that mean you are a shameless liar?? What else could it mean???
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Your admission that they are there is more than enough. You have never paid the $10000 when you have lost. That is not surprising. I have known you for years, and you always act suchly.
 
JamesBY said:
Your admission that they are there is more than enough.
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actually I bet you $10,000 that there are no primary sources from 18th Century showing that Jefferson's Republican Party was called Democratic-Republican Party then and you have declined to take bet.
 
Your admission that they are there is more than enough. You have never paid the $10000 when you have lost. That is not surprising. I have known you for years, and you always act suchly.
James972 said:
actually I bet you $10,000 that there are no primary sources from 18th Century showing that Jefferson's Republican Party was called Democratic-Republican Party then and you have declined to take bet.
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Now you are stretching what you bet. No, you did not. I gave you sources with primary sources, which you agreed are true. You have failed. As always.

You are not following the arguments of that goofy Edward Baiamonte, are you? No one considers his arguments of any validity. Please don't follow him. That would be like following Satan's advice on sin.
 
JamesBY said:
Your admission that they are there is more than enough. You have never paid the $10000 when you have lost. That is not surprising. I have known you for years, and you always act suchly.Now you are stretching what you bet. No, you did not. I gave you sources with primary sources, which you agreed are true. You have failed. As always.

You are not following the arguments of that goofy Edward Baiamonte, are you? No one considers his arguments of any validity. Please don't follow him. That would be like following Satan's advice on sin.
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actually I bet you $10,000 that there are no primary sources from 18th Century showing that Jefferson's Republican Party was called Democratic-Republican Party then, and you have declined to take the bet.
 
James972 said:
actually I bet you $10,000 that there are no primary sources from 18th Century showing that Jefferson's Republican Party was called Democratic-Republican Party then, and you have declined to take the bet.
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That is not what you bet me at first at all. When I showed that you were wrong, you kept extending the parameters.

You did admit that Jefferson's party was identified as the Democratic-Republican Party, and that it was the antecedent of Jackson's Democratic Party. So Jefferson was the spiritual founder of the party you hate. That's hard of you, is it not.

You are following the arguments of Edward Baiamonte, are you not? :)
 
James972 said:
??? if conservatives are content running a big govt then they cant be real conservatives since real conservatives like our Founders were for little govt. Now do you understand??
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So then in your opinion there have been no true conservatives for at least the past forty years, right?
 
Tigerace117 said:
So then in your opinion there have been no true conservatives for at least the past forty years, right?
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Reagan was a true conservative and the freedom caucus is true conservatives. Wm Buckley was a true conservative, George Will, etc etc!! Is this really over your head??
 
JamesBY said:
You did admit that Jefferson's party was identified as the Democratic-Republican Party,
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Jefferson's Party was the Republican Party according to primary documents from the era. When Jefferson won the presidency he called it the Second American Revolution because it clarified that the first revolution had been about freedom from all govt not just freedom from the British Govt!!
 
James972 said:
Reagan was a true conservative and the freedom caucus is true conservatives. Wm Buckley was a true conservative, George Will, etc etc!! Is this really over your head??
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And Reagan still had a large government which was very active overseas. Once again, you prove my point.n
 
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