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History is nothing more than the struggle between freedom and govt?

FieldTheorist said:
The future of humanity is in humanity's hands, and right now we seem to be in the process of choosing to walk right off of an evolutionary cliff, .
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actually freedom from liberal govt is more widespread than ever now with the fall of the USSR and Red China as they switch from huge liberal govts to far more freedom. One would have to know a lot of history to understand this trend. It seems you have studied history in a totally disorganized fashion and thus have learned nothing. Sad!!
 
James972 said:
actually freedom from liberal govt is more widespread than ever now with the fall of the USSR and Red China as they switch from huge liberal govts to far more freedom. One would have to know a lot of history to understand this trend. It seems you have studied history in a totally disorganized fashion and thus have learned nothing. Sad!!
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I hate to break it to you, but neither China nor Russia have ever been "liberal" places. Left wing---yes. But there's a big difference between western liberalism and the kind of tolitarianism which exists over there.
 
James972 said:
wrong of course. The struggle between the King of France and king of England and 10,000,000 similar struggles were merely very common struggles for power among liberal govt types that had occured for 10,000 years.
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Jesus Christ. :doh
 
Tigerace117 said:
I hate to break it to you, but neither China nor Russia have ever been "liberal" places. Left wing---yes. But there's a big difference between western liberalism and the kind of tolitarianism which exists over there.
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wrong, our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and gave Stalin the bomb, elected Sanders who honeymooned in USSR, elected Obama who voted to left of Sanders, support single payer communism, and read the Constitution to say anything that pleases them because they hate its limited govt purpose!! Now do you understand?
 
James972 said:
wrong, our liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and gave Stalin the bomb, elected Sanders who honeymooned in USSR, elected Obama who voted to left of Sanders, support single payer communism, and read the Constitution to say anything that pleases them because they hate its limited govt purpose!! Now do you understand?
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Uh....do you have any proof that "liberals" spied for Hitler?

The rest of your post is literally just incoherent shrieking. There's no "communism" in America.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Uh....do you have any proof that "liberals" spied for Hitler?

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Why do you want proof that they spied for Hitler and not Stalin, to whom they gave the bomb, as if liberals are good guys having spied only for Stalin and given only him the bomb?????
 
Tigerace117 said:
The rest of your post is literally just incoherent shrieking. There's no "communism" in America.
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Bernie Sanders is in America and likely runs the Democratic Party. He's an open communist who honeymooned in the USSR!!
 
James972 said:
Why do you want proof that they spied for Hitler and not Stalin, to whom they gave the bomb, as if liberals are good guys having spied only for Stalin and given only him the bomb?????
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Because I already know that some communists spied for Stalin. But communists and liberals are not the same thing. Plenty of conservatives spied for and admired Hitler though.
 
James972 said:
Bernie Sanders is in America and likely runs the Democratic Party. He's an open communist who honeymooned in the USSR!!
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Uh...no, he's a socialist. There's an important difference.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Uh...no, he's a socialist. There's an important difference.
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Marx invented the term. Socialism is merely a stepping stone to communism. Ever see a liberal for whom govt is big enough even after 200 years of steady growth?? What does that teach you??
 
Tigerace117 said:
But communists and liberals are not the same thing. .
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Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
 
James972 said:
Marx invented the term. Socialism is merely a stepping stone to communism. Ever see a liberal for whom govt is big enough even after 200 years of steady growth?? What does that teach you??
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It teaches me that people like you, after more than a hundred years, still can't grasp the simplest concept.
 
James972 said:
Norman Thomas ( socialist presidential candidate)
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
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Ooh, spooky. Only probelm is that we seem to done that already without becoming some sort of hellhole.
 
Tigerace117 said:
thing. Plenty of conservatives spied for and admired Hitler though.
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of course thats 100% perfectly impossible since Hiter was huge liberal govt and conservatives are for freedom from big liberal govt. Do you understand now??
 
James972 said:
of course thats 100% perfectly impossible since Hiter was for big govt and conservatives are for freedom from big liberal govt. Do you understand now??
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No, it's not "100% impossible". We've gone over this before. I showed you all the spies. Besides, it's impossible for a movement to last if it's simply opposition to another movement. It has to have a framework of its own.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Ooh, spooky. Only probelm is that we seem to done that already without becoming some sort of hellhole.
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most agree we are heading downhill as liberalism has grown. Without saintly Republicans holding back the tide we'd be there already.
 
Tigerace117 said:
It teaches me that people like you, after more than a hundred years, still can't grasp the simplest concept.
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why not say what the concept is and why you think we cant grasp it??
 
Tigerace117 said:
I showed you all the spies.
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you showed me a conservative spy who was for freedom from big liberal govt but who liked big govt in the case of HItler or Stalin's big liberal governments?? Of course that is logically impossible!!!!
 
Tigerace117 said:
Besides, it's impossible for a movement to last if it's simply opposition to another movement. It has to have a framework of its own.
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no idea what your subject is or what you are talking about. Care to explain???
 
James972 said:
why not say what the concept is and why you think we cant grasp it??
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The difference between socialism and communism. I think you can't grasp it because you've proven you can't.
 
James972 said:
you showed me a conservative spy who was for freedom from big liberal govt but who liked big govt in the case of HItler or Stalin's big liberal governments?? Of course that is logically impossible!!!!
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Buddy, I really do hate to burst your fantasies, but conservatives, despite their claims, have no problems with big government when they are the ones running the show.
 
Tigerace117 said:
Buddy, I really do hate to burst your fantasies, but conservatives, despite their claims, have no problems with big government when they are the ones running the show.
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why change the subject???? show me the conservative who spied for Hitler or Stalin? or how its possible for a conservative to spy for HItler or Stalin. If a conservative has no problem with big govt then he is a liberal not a conservative. Do you understand when it is so 100% elementary?????
 
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