He's venal, amoral, he's Godly

[apdst]

So you think lying about cheating on your third wife with a porn Star is “godly”? :lamo

That's between him and God. We're all sinners.

 

[Praxas]

That's between him and God. We're all sinners.

God doesn’t commit sins. So again you think lying about cheating on your third wife is godly? Just tell us what part about that makes him godly?

 

[TheParser]

It seems to me that Judge Napolitano is preparing to jump ship.

 

[apdst]

God doesn’t commit sins. So again you think lying about cheating on your third wife is godly? Just tell us what part about that makes him godly?

God judges sinners. That's why it's between him and God.

You really shouldn't trash a religion that you don't understand. :lamo

 

[snakestretcher]

I can hear you from here in Virginia, can you hear me across the pond?:lamo


100% agree. I think her and Palin might be twins.


Yup! :thumbs:

Loud and clear!:2wave:

 

[Stealers Wheel]

That's between him and God. We're all sinners.

I distinctly remember you saying the exact same thing about Bill Clinton NOT!

LMAO!

 

[Praxas]

God judges sinners. That's why it's between him and God.

You really shouldn't trash a religion that you don't understand. :lamo

Do you understand the definition of godly? Again what part of what trump has done makes him godly? I accept your concession you can’t tell us how he is godly. :lamo

 

[JustHanging]

God judges sinners. That's why it's between him and God.

Exactly. Just like it is with Hitler.

Hahaha, Hitler was Catholic and believed in Jesus, he might have made a quick prayer before dying, so he could well be in heaven.

But damn, if you do good your whole life, but you don't lick Jesus' feet, you are tortured for all eternity. How confusing.

 

[JustHanging]

Do you understand the definition of godly? Again what part of what trump has done makes him godly?

He constantly attacks the poorest and most oppressed people to energize his base. Does that count?

 

[Deuce]

That's between her and God.

You were willing to call out people in this thread for judging a man godly or not, but you hide like a coward behind big G when it comes to a Republican doing it.

 

[apdst]

You were willing to call out people in this thread for judging a man godly or not, but you hide like a coward behind big G when it comes to a Republican doing it.

That's a lie.

 

[apdst]

Exactly. Just like it is with Hitler.

Hahaha, Hitler was Catholic and believed in Jesus, he might have made a quick prayer before dying, so he could well be in heaven.

But damn, if you do good your whole life, but you don't lick Jesus' feet, you are tortured for all eternity. How confusing.

Pop, there goes Godwin. :lamo

Inaccurate Godwin, at that. :lamo

Hitler was an atheist.

 

[Mr Person]

Everyone knows Jesus ordered his apostles to disappear senators standing in the way of land transactions he was lining up along the Tiber. Trump is Godlier than God!

 

[JustHanging]

You were willing to call out people in this thread for judging a man godly or not, but you hide like a coward behind big G when it comes to a Republican doing it.

I believe you are correct.

 

[JustHanging]

Pop, there goes Godwin. :lamo

Inaccurate Godwin, at that. :lamo

Hitler was an atheist.

Hitler was Catholic. Are you saying that if he asked Jesus for forgiveness before he died, Jesus wouldn't forgive him? When did Jesus tell you this? :lamo

So now, according to you, you're the one decides who gets into heaven eh. :lamo

 

[Stealers Wheel]

But damn, if you do good your whole life, but you don't lick Jesus' feet, you are tortured for all eternity. How confusing.

Actually, no. That is a gross perversion of Christ's purpose and mission. It is a corruption designed to manipulate the faith and behavior of the masses. So much for the virtues of organized religion.

The idea that a good person gets to burn for all eternity if they never confess Christ as their savior is debunked by the apostle Paul in his letter to the church at Rome, chapter 2, verses 12 to 16:

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, ...

There have been literally millions of people through history who, through whatever circumstances never heard the name Jesus Christ, let alone been witnessed to by the Holy Spirit. Who would worship a god that would be so viley unjust as to torture them through all eternity? The implications are staggering.

 

[JustHanging]

Actually, no. That is a gross perversion of Christ's purpose and mission. It is a corruption designed to manipulate the faith and behavior of the masses. So much for the virtues of organized religion.

The idea that a good person gets to burn for all eternity if they never confess Christ as their savior is debunked by the apostle Paul in his letter to the church at Rome, chapter 2, verses 12 to 16:



There have been literally millions of people through history who, through whatever circumstances never heard the name Jesus Christ, let alone been witnessed to by the Holy Spirit. Who would worship a god that would be so viley unjust as to torture them through all eternity? The implications are staggering.

There are tens of millions, I personally think hundreds of millions, of Christians who disagree with you, and quote the bible to prove their point, that the only way into heaven is accepting Jesus as your Saviour. For example John 4:16.

I'm going to leave it here with you, so you can have the last word.

 

[SoCal]

...There have been literally millions of people through history who, through whatever circumstances never heard the name Jesus Christ, let alone been witnessed to by the Holy Spirit. Who would worship a god that would be so viley unjust as to torture them through all eternity? The implications are staggering.

There are tens of millions, I personally think hundreds of millions, of Christians who disagree with you, and quote the bible to prove their point, that the only way into heaven is accepting Jesus as your Saviour. For example John 4:16...

I have to agree with Mr. Wheel. I don't see how the opinions of whatever number of Christians proves or disproves anything. Beyond the hundreds of millions (actually billions) who've never heard the name Jesus Christ, what about the hundreds of billions born, hundreds of thousands of years before Christ was born?

I always assumed Christians believed heaven and hell were eternal. Or were they invented or discovered only 2019 years ago? 2019 years being of course a tiny drop in the bucket since man has been on earth.

I prefer the, 'God is love' point of view. I can't believe a god of love has in the past and will in the future, condemn billions to eternal damnation through no fault of their own...

 

[Skeptic Bob]

The idiots are the ones who think they can judge who isn't godly.

So wouldn't that make Bachman an idiot for thinking she can judge who IS godly or saying he is more godly than others?

 

[Bullseye]

Well, it looks as though we have a difference of opinion.

On the one hand, we have judge Napolitano a (gasp!) Fox News contributor referring to the Mueller report "t did show a venal, amoral, deceptive Donald Trump, instructing his aides to lie and willing to help them do so. That’s not good in the president of the United States.” LINK

On the other hand, we have Michelle Bachmann saying that "[Trump] is highly biblical, and I would say to your listeners, we will in all likelihood never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime." LINK

So my question to the Trumpsters on this board: Can both these opinions be true simultaneously?

My opinion is that it's still a free country and even people of similar ideologies may have different opinions on somethings. Probably happens a lot more on the right; libsters seem to march in lockstep and mouth the same slogans and clichés.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

My opinion is that it's still a free country and even people of similar ideologies may have different opinions on somethings. Probably happens a lot more on the right; libsters seem to march in lockstep and mouth the same slogans and clichés.

The same case can be made for either side, truth be told. "Lock her up!" sound familiar?

 

[apdst]

So wouldn't that make Bachman an idiot for thinking she can judge who IS godly or saying he is more godly than others?

Not really, since she's being kindly. You know, the peace and love aspect of The Bible?

Jesus told the mob to stone the prostitute, if any were without sin.

He never said sinners can't love God.

Would you agree that General Patton was a godly man? I would say he was and he admitted to reading his Bible "every goddamn day".

Being godly doesn't mean one is perfect, or without sin. I don't the TDS'ers even know what "godly" actually means.

 

[Xelor]

Well, it looks as though we have a difference of opinion.

On the one hand, we have judge Napolitano a (gasp!) Fox News contributor referring to the Mueller report "t did show a venal, amoral, deceptive Donald Trump, instructing his aides to lie and willing to help them do so. That’s not good in the president of the United States.” LINK

On the other hand, we have Michelle Bachmann saying that "[Trump] is highly biblical, and I would say to your listeners, we will in all likelihood never see a more godly, biblical president again in our lifetime." LINK

So my question to the Trumpsters on this board: Can both these opinions be true simultaneously?

As a non-Trumpkin, my answer is: yes, but only in some limited senses, and those senses aren't what Michelle had in mind.

• The phrase "of biblical proportion" -- of gargantuan proportion(s)/impact(s) -- indicates what I mean.
• Change the capitalization to "Biblical," and both could still be true for the Bible is full of reprobate characters, and Trump's most certainly a reprobate character.

That said, the independent clause in Michelle's statement make clear she meant "Biblical;" she sees Trump as a pious figure akin in character and comportment to Bible's heroes. Quite frankly, therefore, no, her and Napolitano's statements cannot be concurrently true in that context. The only things Godly about Trump are:

• Trump's own certitude of Trump's infallibility and omniscience,
• Trump's capriciousness,
• Trump's presumption of his own primacy,
• Trump's selfishness, and
• Trump's vengefulness.

It may be the God can get away with behaving so, but the rest of us cannot. In other words, some stuff God did/does just isn't stuff we mortals are not supposed to do. Exhibiting the aforementioned character traits is one such thing, and we know that because Jesus told us so.

 

[JustHanging]

I have to agree with Mr. Wheel. I don't see how the opinions of whatever number of Christians proves or disproves anything. Beyond the hundreds of millions (actually billions) who've never heard the name Jesus Christ, what about the hundreds of billions born, hundreds of thousands of years before Christ was born?

I always assumed Christians believed heaven and hell were eternal. Or were they invented or discovered only 2019 years ago? 2019 years being of course a tiny drop in the bucket since man has been on earth.

I prefer the, 'God is love' point of view. I can't believe a god of love has in the past and will in the future, condemn billions to eternal damnation through no fault of their own...

Oh sure...you're always playing favourites with Stealer....

(LOL, sorry, I'm sick and heavily drugged, so I have a good excuse. Happy Easter to both of you!)

 

[uptower]

The idiots are the ones who think they can judge who isn't godly.

All our lives we've had it shoved down our throats by pastors and priests (along with other things I hear), church elders, our parents, teachers, the law and the values of a christian society about what is good, godly behavior. Anyone standing on the street today is qualified to make that judgment because societal norms are not subjective.

Trump fails most tests by any reasonable metric. He is misogynistic, foul mouthed, misanthropic and discriminatory; he's uncompassionate, greedy, venal, lustful, combative, dishonest in the extreme; he's an adulterer, a defaulter a defrauder and a corrupt politician. And that's just the Trump we can see in public.