Here's a House Member who gets it.

[veritas1]

How many bills have the "obstructionist" dems in the house passed, and the clown car senate refused to vote on?

People are exhausted by Trump, the republicants, and the scummy tactics you guys use.

There is a witch hunt - and the witch is trump.

Burn that skid at the stake.

Dems haven't done anything about the things that need doing. Nothing on closing immigration loopholes. Nothing on the USMCA trade deal. Nothing on infrastructure, opioids, etc. They do nothing that even remotely appears to be a victory for Trump. That's how psychotic they are. Screw the public. Getting Trump is Job One. BTW, nobody who watched and approved of Harry Reid stuffing bills in his desk for years should ever complain about a "clown car" Senate.

 

[veritas1]

Its oversight. You just don't like it coz you lost 2018.

DULY ELECTED DEMOCRATS ARE DOING OVERSIGHT.

That makes you sad, huh?

Political power grab/coup now equals "oversight". What you going to do when you lose the House?

 

[Condor060]

No one is asking him to accept anything yet. There is no vote on impeachment scheduled. Until then, there is nothing to complain about.

Also note, when you say "kicking Republican members out of the committee hearings" you are lying. Democrats and republicans from the 3 committees involved in the interviews are able to attend. The guy who was turned away was not turned away because of his party, but because he was not on one of the committees taking part in the interview. This is why you should avoid lying when you post. Too many people around here actually seek out facts, instead of making **** up.

Why don't you just astonish us all where any Democrats were kicked out of any committee meeting. Or how about you explain why Gaetz wouldn't be allowed to be in the room.

If you really wanted facts you would be screaming at Pelosi for making you look stupid for the last 3 years of fake outrage and fake accusations that never came true. Or why don't you astonish us all by explaining how 50 forensic FBI official, dozens of CIA officials, 2500 witnesses, and 19 super lawyers couldn't find a single criminal recommendation but Pelosi and Schiff are going to save the day.

You would think that after 3 years of looking like an empty handed idiot you wouldn't be so fast to stick your neck out again but thats what Liberals do. If you think voters are seeing this as anything other than desperation you are only fooling yourself (again)

But you go right ahead and give us all your expert opinion on the situation and when this turns out to be just another partisan witch hunt with nothing but empty Schiff promises you will be on what ever the next anti Trump BS you can latch on to.

 

[trixare4kids]

I've been over it. I couldn't care less to live in 2016. It's 2019. Don't project your garbage opinion onto me.

Then you know what to do. Take some responsibility and stop reading my opinions.
How completely silly that you, of all posters, would think an opinion that differs from yours, is projection.

 

[trixare4kids]

Why don't you just astonish us all where any Democrats were kicked out of any committee meeting. Or how about you explain why Gaetz wouldn't be allowed to be in the room.

If you really wanted facts you would be screaming at Pelosi for making you look stupid for the last 3 years of fake outrage and fake accusations that never came true. Or why don't you astonish us all by explaining how 50 forensic FBI official, dozens of CIA officials, 2500 witnesses, and 19 super lawyers couldn't find a single criminal recommendation but Pelosi and Schiff are going to save the day.

You would think that after 3 years of looking like an empty handed idiot you wouldn't be so fast to stick your neck out again but thats what Liberals do. If you think voters are seeing this as anything other than desperation you are only fooling yourself (again)

But you go right ahead and give us all your expert opinion on the situation and when this turns out to be just another partisan witch hunt with nothing but empty Schiff promises you will be on what ever the next anti Trump BS you can latch on to.

If you express an opinion the Trumper tantrumers don't like, you're whining, you're a liar, you're being shameful, you need to suck it up. This is how the days of our lives go with the "tolerant" DP forum peeps; "civility a must".

 

[Condor060]

Boo ****ing hoo.

The dems own the house and th process of impeachment.

Elections have consequences.

Get on the square, your skin is too ****ing thin!

You got me all wrong. The more they hide behind secret hearings, refusing to allow transcripts to House members, using anonymous witnesses, throwing Republicans out of their meetings, and leaking cherry picked information, the more they look exactly like who they are. Desperate idiots.

You haven't made an accurate claim in 3 years, why would you think anyone is worried now. You really think way too much of yourself.

 

[Mach]

If you have the evidence you would go to the House to get an Inquiry vote.

An indictment without an investigation would be as silly as your post.

Voters know better and hiding testimony and refusing to provide such UNCLASSIFIED testimony transcript to the public is for one reason only.

It's an ongoing investigation. the public knows ongoing investigations are not communicated much during the investigation. The findings will be presented at its conclusion, for each article of impeachment they choose to pursue.
The Senate will then get to afford Trump and his corrupt cronies an opportunity to review all evidence, and mount a defense based on lies and nonsense, since the facts/laws are against them.

Holding secret hearings and using anonymous witnesses will never get an Impeachment. They know this but when you have run out of options, desperation is all you have.

What are you babbling about? We already have the transcript, it happened.
And since the evidence will be provided for each article of impeachment, your post is as absurd as Trix's, and the Senator she quoted.

All you guys can do right now is cry you aren't privy to the investigation. Aww.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Polls are so reliable. Just ask President Hillary.

Who won the popular vote. I don't recall polling on "who wins the EC".
derp

 

[Condor060]

If you express an opinion the Trumper tantrumers don't like, you're whining, you're a liar, you're being shameful, you need to suck it up. This is how the days of our lives go with the "tolerant" DP forum peeps; "civility a must".

I get sick and tired of these adolescents. You bring up facts of whats going on and they come apart at the seams because they don't have any other way to dispute what you provided.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Political power grab/coup now equals "oversight".

Really, you are going there..., constitutional actions are seen as a "coup".

What you going to do when you lose the House?

wanna bet?

 

[Cardinal]

Why don't you just astonish us all where any Democrats were kicked out of any committee meeting. Or how about you explain why Gaetz wouldn't be allowed to be in the room.

If you really wanted facts you would be screaming at Pelosi for making you look stupid for the last 3 years of fake outrage and fake accusations that never came true. Or why don't you astonish us all by explaining how 50 forensic FBI official, dozens of CIA officials, 2500 witnesses, and 19 super lawyers couldn't find a single criminal recommendation but Pelosi and Schiff are going to save the day.

You would think that after 3 years of looking like an empty handed idiot you wouldn't be so fast to stick your neck out again but thats what Liberals do. If you think voters are seeing this as anything other than desperation you are only fooling yourself (again)

But you go right ahead and give us all your expert opinion on the situation and when this turns out to be just another partisan witch hunt with nothing but empty Schiff promises you will be on what ever the next anti Trump BS you can latch on to.

Gaetz "attempted to crash today’s deposition despite being ineligible and refused to leave, causing an unnecessary delay in the deposition," the source added.

Crashing hearings is unusual but not unprecedented. In 2015, Rep. Darrell Issa tried to attend a closed-door Benghazi hearing but was asked to leave by Chairman Trey Gowdy.

Why this GOP congressman was booted from the Fiona Hill hearing

Hey kids! Where do you think Condor is going to move the goal posts to?

 

[marke]

Rep. Michael Waltz@RepMichaelWaltz
"I’m potentially expected to vote on impeaching the President of the United States, yet as a member of Congress I’m not “allowed” to see transcripts of the witness testimony?

If my Democratic colleagues truly care about the constitution & not politics, they will demand the same."

Rep. Michael Waltz on Twitter: "I’m potentially expected to vote on impeaching the President of the United States, yet as a member of Congress I’m not “allowed” to see transcripts of the witness testimony?

If my Democratic colleagues truly care about the constitution & not politics, they will demand the same.… https://t.co/YNHBdJQLBG"

So why aren't Waltz's colleagues demanding the same? We're only getting what they want us to hear, tidbits and leaks made to the media. Who exactly does this benefit?

Schitff has finally resorted to conducting the whole impeachment trial of Trump in secret because every time he invents some new false accusation of Trump it blows up in his face once all the facts come out. This is a last desperate gambit by democrats. Impeach Trump in the House without evidence just so they can say Trump was impeached. They know the Senate will never go along withy this illegal, unethical and immoral crap but that does not matter. They just need the narrative that Trump was impeached so they can continue to use that to falsely paint Trump as a bad guy.

 

[jnug]

Thread title: Here's a House Member who gets it

Nope, he actually doesn't get it.

 

[trixare4kids]

Getting back to what Rep. Mike Turner, R-Ohio said, when he "cited a CNN report that House of Representative General Counsel Doug Letter told a federal judge that the president did not have to commit a crime to be impeached. The question came up in a hearing over a request by the House for grand jury testimony related to former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe."

“The Constitution is clear: 'The President ... shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.' A crime must be committed. However, your legal counsel is now trying to argue blatantly against the Constitution,” Turner wrote (emphasis original). “You have said the country is in a constitutional crisis. You are right, Madam Speaker, we are, and it is by your design and creation.”

 

[veritas1]

Who won the popular vote. I don't recall polling on "who wins the EC".
derp

With $5 and the popular vote, you can buy a Starbucks coffee.

 

[Condor060]

An indictment without an investigation would be as silly as your post.


It's an ongoing investigation. the public knows ongoing investigations are not communicated much during the investigation. The findings will be presented at its conclusion, for each article of impeachment they choose to pursue.
The Senate will then get to afford Trump and his corrupt cronies an opportunity to review all evidence, and mount a defense based on lies and nonsense, since the facts/laws are against them.


What are you babbling about? We already have the transcript, it happened.
And since the evidence will be provided for each article of impeachment, your post is as absurd as Trix's, and the Senator she quoted.

All you guys can do right now is cry you aren't privy to the investigation. Aww.

How about when you learn how an Impeachment is conducted, you get back to us. Until then, all you have is Dumbocrat talking points you have no clue about.

BEFORE you try and Impeach a president, you go to the House with an IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY vote. You present your evidence as to why you want to Impeach and they vote to have an investigation and hearings.

That vote is provided to Congress which is the House asking Congress to hold an investigation.

If Congress exposes evidence for Impeachment an IMPEACHMENT VOTE is held in the House then on to the Senate.

Pelosi didn't ask for an Inquiry vote because she doesn't have the vote. So now they are holding behind doors hearings looking for a crime.

When you decide not to use the power of the House, which can gain support by Republicans and Voters, that allows for public evidence to be shared, you are either an idiot or you're lying.

But you go right ahead and kneel at the altar of Adam Schiff who took you down the road of guaranteed evidence that Trump was a planted Russian agent. We all saw how that worked out for ya.
Didn't we

 

[jnug]

How about when you learn how an Impeachment is conducted, you get back to us. Until then, all you have is Dumbocrat talking points you have no clue about.

BEFORE you try and Impeach a president, you go to the House with an IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY vote. You present your evidence as to why you want to Impeach and they vote to have an investigation and hearings.

That vote is provided to Congress which is the House asking Congress to hold an investigation.

If Congress exposes evidence for Impeachment an IMPEACHMENT VOTE is held in the House then on to the Senate.

Pelosi didn't ask for an Inquiry vote because she doesn't have the vote. So now they are holding behind doors hearings looking for a crime.

When you decide not to use the power of the House, which can gain support by Republicans and Voters, that allows for public evidence to be shared, you are either an idiot or you're lying.

But you go right ahead and kneel at the altar of Adam Schiff who took you down the road of guaranteed evidence that Trump was a planted Russian agent. We all saw how that worked out for ya.
Didn't we

When you learn the House rules you let us know

 

[akyron]

Rep. Michael Waltz@RepMichaelWaltz
"I’m potentially expected to vote on impeaching the President of the United States, yet as a member of Congress I’m not “allowed” to see transcripts of the witness testimony?

If my Democratic colleagues truly care about the constitution & not politics, they will demand the same."

Rep. Michael Waltz on Twitter: "I’m potentially expected to vote on impeaching the President of the United States, yet as a member of Congress I’m not “allowed” to see transcripts of the witness testimony?

If my Democratic colleagues truly care about the constitution & not politics, they will demand the same.… https://t.co/YNHBdJQLBG"

So why aren't Waltz's colleagues demanding the same? We're only getting what they want us to hear, tidbits and leaks made to the media. Who exactly does this benefit?

The fake narrative will not survive transparency.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

With $5 and the popular vote, you can buy a Starbucks coffee.

or you could put on the line about who will hold the House.

 

[akyron]

With $5 and the popular vote, you can buy a Starbucks coffee.

Why do they always ask for the popular vote? It is easier to get slaves that way...

"The Greek comic playwright Aristophanes once described how screaming politicians — posing as men of the people — would sway Athenian citizens by offering them all sort of perks and goodies that the government had no idea of how to pay for.

The historian Thucydides offers even more frightening accounts of bloodthirsty voters after they were aroused by demagogues (“leaders or drivers of the people”). One day, in bloodthirsty rage, voters demanded the death of the rebellious men of the subject island city of Mytilene; yet on the very next, in sudden remorse, they rescinded that blanket death sentence.

Lately we’ve allowed our government to forget its calmer republican roots. We’ve gone Athenian whole hog.

Take the AIG debacle. The global insurance and financial-services company is broke and needed a federal loan guarantee of $180 billion to prevent bankruptcy. Some $165 million (about 1/1000th of that sum) had previously been contracted to give bonuses to its derelict executives.

That set off a firestorm in Congress. Politicians rushed before the cameras to demand all sorts of penalties for these greedy investment bankers. Soon, they passed an unprecedented special tax law just to confiscate 90 percent of these contracted bonuses.

Those who shouted the loudest for the heads of the AIG execs had the dirtiest hands. President Obama was outraged at their greed. But he alone signed their bonus provisions into law. And during the recent presidential campaign, no one forced him to accept over $100,000 in AIG donations."

 

[D_NATURED]

Regardless of what happens in the House, and there's great doubt that impeachment will ever get out of there, we know that the Senate will not vote to remove Trump. Democrats know this so this is simply an exercise to damage Trump for 2020. Unfortunately, what it's going to do is galvanize the Trump supporters even more and is likely to also turn off plenty of fairminded independents and even some moderate Dems. IOW, Schiff and his cabal are setting themselves up for an even worse thrashing in 2020 than they were going to get originally. Carry on Dems, carry on.

Trump supporters are already galvanized by ignorance and bigotry, they don't need facts. Besides, any fair minded independents have already seen enough to know that Trump is a criminal moron and the GOP are defending him.

Trump is ruling from a bubble of GOP shamelessness. There, he is insulated from the normal consequences of treason. I agree, though, that Trump will probably win in 2020. It's more of a testament to the truth being easily corrupted by the right, though, rather than a failure of the left to present it.

 

[Trump]

Each and every Republican crying about how this is going needs to hop in a time machine and make all the Benghazi interviews public.
Otherwise, sit and spin.

whataboutism at its best:lol:

 

[Athanasius68]

Why does a House representative need to be on a "proper committee" to see the transcripts?
Why all the secrecy? Why are we only getting what the Democrats want us to see?

The Democrats erroneously believed that the Barr bulletpoint of the Mueller report incorrectly described it, thus creating a public conclusion that was not politically advantageous for their partisan purposes.
So they they wish to control the spin.

 

[Condor060]

When you learn the House rules you let us know

You mean like Pelosi can do it anyway she wants
because she can

You can withhold all unclassified transcripts from testimony
because we can

You can bring anonymous witnesses
because we can

You can keep all hearings behind closed doors
because we can

You can kick out Republicans from your hearings
because we can

We won't allow the accused to call witnesses
because we can

We will only release cherry picked information from these closed door hearings
because we can

Oh yeah, you can do all these things. And I for one am glad Democrats are doing it exactly this way.

But you will never get an Impeachment this way and you will never get voters to side with you and you will never get the Senate to vote under this kind of subterfuge. The only reason to do something this stupid is when you have nothing but desperation.

But you keep kneeling at the altar of Adam Schiff and his guarantees of having evidence that Trump is a planted Russian agent,

We saw how that worked out for ya, didn't we.

 

[Redress]

Why don't you just astonish us all where any Democrats were kicked out of any committee meeting. Or how about you explain why Gaetz wouldn't be allowed to be in the room.

No democrat not on the committee tried to enter the meeting. They did not feel the need to play the victim. Gaetz was not allowed into the room because he was not on one of the three committees doing the interview. He is not on the Intelligence Committee, nor the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, nor the Foreign Affairs Committee. If you where not on one of those three committees, you where not invited. Why do so many republicans have troubles with rules?

If you really wanted facts you would be screaming at Pelosi for making you look stupid for the last 3 years of fake outrage and fake accusations that never came true. Or why don't you astonish us all by explaining how 50 forensic FBI official, dozens of CIA officials, 2500 witnesses, and 19 super lawyers couldn't find a single criminal recommendation but Pelosi and Schiff are going to save the day.

Hint: I am not Pelosi. If you cannot argue against what I say, invoking Pelosi is not going to help you.

You would think that after 3 years of looking like an empty handed idiot you wouldn't be so fast to stick your neck out again but thats what Liberals do. If you think voters are seeing this as anything other than desperation you are only fooling yourself (again)

I am not sure where you think anyone is empty handed. Calm down and explain what you are talking about clearly.

But you go right ahead and give us all your expert opinion on the situation and when this turns out to be just another partisan witch hunt with nothing but empty Schiff promises you will be on what ever the next anti Trump BS you can latch on to.

No one has promised me anything. Why are you so upset? Where you this upset when republicans investigated Obama and Clinton endlessly? Why not?