Healthcare as a Right

[vegas giants]

Take care of yourself.

The government does not know you or care about you.

If you want the best at the cheapest in care... get the government out of it.

That doesn't work anywhere

 

[hermit]

Maybe health care isn't a right, but here's how I look at it. A healthy society is a productive society. Why wouldn't we want to ensure that everyone in our country is offered good health care services? How can that ever be a bad thing?

 

[Aberration]

Maybe health care isn't a right, but here's how I look at it. A healthy society is a productive society. Why wouldn't we want to ensure that everyone in our country is offered good health care services? How can that ever be a bad thing?

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”

Frederic Bastiat, The Law (1850)

 

[FinnFox]

Finland Government Collapses & Why the Media is Silent | Armstrong Economics

Government resigned because planned new system was unconstitutional. I'm not buying that propaganda

As I'm living here my knowledge is at 'hands-on' level. Resignation was really good thing and way to admit incompetence as it was.

 

[molten_dragon]

If you want the best at the cheapest in care... get the government out of it.

Except that nothing backs that statement up. The US government is much more "out of it" than most countries and we pay more money for, at best, equivalent care to those other countries (and by some metrics worse care).

The problem with expecting the free market to fix healthcare is that healthcare is not a free market. It's not driven by supply and demand.

 

[VanceMack]

Maybe health care isn't a right, but here's how I look at it. A healthy society is a productive society. Why wouldn't we want to ensure that everyone in our country is offered good health care services? How can that ever be a bad thing?

Everyone in the country is offered exceptional health care services.

 

[grip]

If it is a “right”, then like speech, movement, right to an attorney... it applies equally to everyone.

The Coronavirus should it be a pandemic, will illustrate it’s not a right. If it is... the Vietnamese, Chinese and Americans would all be provided equal care.

This is never going to happen.

Healthcare is not a “Right”, and if you want the best service for the lowest cost... get government out of it.

In 35-years we have gone from the first mobile phone being massive (suitcase battery) primitive and expensive to the iPhone 13-years ago, to cheap $250 hand-held supercomputers. Quality increased and prices dropped.

The same would happen with healthcare should the government get out of the way.

I don't know if healthcare should be a 'right' but sick people shouldn't be denied care for profits. Want to save money on it, get the greedy insurance companies out of it.

 

[vegas giants]

Everyone in the country is offered exceptional health care services.

They die on the wait list

 

[zimmer]

I don't know if healthcare should be a 'right' but sick people shouldn't be denied care for profits. Want to save money on it, get the greedy insurance companies out of it.

They’re not in our system.

Hospitals write off millions in unpaid services.

 

[zimmer]

Maybe health care isn't a right, but here's how I look at it. A healthy society is a productive society. Why wouldn't we want to ensure that everyone in our country is offered good health care services? How can that ever be a bad thing?

Why not have the government get out of the business? Everything sinks in price and improves in quality and choices when there is competition. That would make care more affordable.

The other is it makes people more responsible for their health... so they might be more motivated to take care of themselves.

 

[vegas giants]

Why not have the government get out of the business? Everything sinks in price and improves in quality and choices when there is competition. That would make care more affordable.

The other is it makes people more responsible for their health... so they might be more motivated to take care of themselves.

Because that model works nowhere on earth. Lol


How silly

 

[zimmer]

Because that model works nowhere on earth. Lol


How silly

Of course it does... it works in free-market businesses all over the world. That handheld supercomputer you can buy for $250 is a perfect example.

ObamaCare is a perfect example of government intervention. The Canadian system. The British system. These are the Iowa Caucases of the healthcare industry. The more government, the bigger the problem, the higher the cost, the worse the service.

 

[vegas giants]

Of course it does... it works in free-market businesses all over the world. That handheld supercomputer you can buy for $250 is a perfect example.

ObamaCare is a perfect example of government intervention. The Canadian system. The British system. These are the Iowa Caucases of the healthcare industry. The more government, the bigger the problem, the higher the cost, the worse the service.

Fact.


There is no completely free market health care system in any country on earth.


See how silly that idea is.....no one will even try it. Lol

 

[hermit]

Why not have the government get out of the business? Everything sinks in price and improves in quality and choices when there is competition. That would make care more affordable.

The other is it makes people more responsible for their health... so they might be more motivated to take care of themselves.

Too many people fall through the cracks when private enterprise is involved in basic human rights. Health care should not be a profitable business.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, the saying goes. Offer health care, educate people on how to take care of their health, communicate with citizens, and this is all never mandatory. If people want to take care of their health, help is available. If they don't want to take care of themselves, help is still available for problem areas.

The govt can set prices, so "affordable" can be negotiated, and then stuck to. No private enterprise going off shore to steal profits need occur.

 

[Greenbeard]

In 35-years we have gone from the first mobile phone being massive (suitcase battery) primitive and expensive to the iPhone 13-years ago, to cheap $250 hand-held supercomputers. Quality increased and prices dropped.

Is there some equivalent to Moore's law that exists in service industries like health care?

 

[Aberration]

Is there some equivalent to Moore's law that exists in service industries like health care?

Moore’s law was an ideal abandoned a long time ago....

Except for the big guys who need it, most semiconductor factories servicing industries like health care have no need to go beyond 180nm with maybe a few products at 130nm. 20 year old equipment.

But as a concept of technology feeding its own accelerated growth? I think it would be valid for all industries.

 

[Jay59]

Access to healthcare is a right, just like access to public roads is a right. Payment for the healthcare is no more a right than the payment for your car.

 

[Citizen]

Access to healthcare is a right, just like access to public roads is a right. Payment for the healthcare is no more a right than the payment for your car.

So why should my tax dollars pay for the roads you drive on

 

[OscarLevant]

I say that generations dont have a right to anything that they cant/wont pay for. Loading future generations up with debt to pay for our vastly overly expensive poorly functioning health system that we refuse to fix and refuse to pay for is generational abuse, it is immoral. All calls to increase the generational warfare program to give those currently alive even more of a free ride are calls to go deeper into Evil.

Libertarians are wacko.

Someone asked Ron Paul, if a man was bleeding to death in the street, should we let him bleed to death if he can't pay for a visit to the hospital in an ambulance or afford insurance?

Paul's answer, "well, that's what freedom is all about".

( I don't remember the exact quote, but that was the gist of it )


Like I said, libertarians are wacko.

 

[OscarLevant]

"Promote" does not equal "provide".

It could include it. It's a broad statement.

 

[OscarLevant]

To Leftists it does... just as illegal immigration is on par with legal immigration.

It’s the Left and their brain ****ing at work again.

Republicans, destroyers of wisdom.


Got any more strawman arguments you want to project on the left?

 

[Aberration]

So why should my tax dollars pay for the roads you drive on

They shouldn’t.

 

[Aberration]

It could include it. It's a broad statement.

Only if one butchers the English language.

verb (used with object), pro·mot·ed, pro·mot·ing.
to help or encourage to exist or flourish; further:
to promote world peace.
to advance in rank, dignity, position, etc. (opposed to demote).
Education. to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
to aid in organizing (business undertakings).
to encourage the sales, acceptance, etc., of (a product), especially through advertising or other publicity.
Informal. to obtain (something) by cunning or trickery; wangle.

verb (used with object), pro·vid·ed, pro·vid·ing.
to make available; furnish:
to provide employees with various benefits.
to supply or equip:
to provide the army with new fighter planes.
to afford or yield.
Law. to arrange for or stipulate beforehand, as by a provision or proviso

 

[marke]

Yeah, because unlike healthcare, Chinese provide the same right of free speech and movement and right to an attorney as the Americans!

:screwy

China provides its citizens the freedom to speak as long as what they say mirrors lying China propaganda. Those out of compliance with the strict adherence to Chinese propaganda will lose their freedom or their life. If America elects Bloomberg or some other communist the American dream can be remolded in the new brutal Chinese model.

 

[zimmer]

I look forward to scrolling past right wing lamentations when health care is officially a right. I will probably giggle, though.

Here are a few questions you failed to ask yourself which explodes your silly theory about healthcare being a right:

If there are no Doctors, how can healthcare still be a right if nobody is there to administer it?

or... on a lesser scale... if healthcare is a right and there is a severe shortage of doctors... far too few to administer care... how is it a right?

Who will be held accountable for denying people their rights? Will they be able to sue the state for denial of their “rights”?

And... when ObamaCare was exposed for its Death Panels... is that not denying someone their right?

Or as Bloomberg said... if you’re 95 and have cancer... and the state tells you to bugger off already and die... is that not the state denying someone their right?

You see... Leftists like you do not think these things through. It sounds nice, but even your own party contradicts its dimwitted pronouncements.