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Have you ever shot an AR15?

Have you shot an AR15?

  • Yes - and guns like the AR15 should be banned

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Yes - and guns like the AR15 should not be banned

    Votes: 30 62.5%

  • No - and guns like the AR15 should be banned

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • No - and guns like the AR15 should not be banned

    Votes: 11 22.9%

  • Yes - ban high capacity magazines

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No - ban high capacity magazines

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Total voters
    48
Setting aside all politics, the core question is whether the belief of the extreme lethality of semi automatic rifles and pistols declared by the anti-gun folks is accurate? Anyone familiar with them know they are not - and history proves they are not.

It isn't about murder. The Democratic Party and the anti-gunners don't care if mass murder increases. Rather, they would see that as promoting their agenda against guns. Since I oppose mass murder, I hope they fail.
 
vesper said:
'What a bunch of hoooweeee. I know what it is like to what I thought was secure in my own home with my children only to have bad people break in and steal me blind while I was upstairs with my kids and no gun to protect myself. I was one of those people that didn't want guns in the house. That night my thinking changed. Today I can load and shoot a handgun, rifle and shotgun. I would not hesitate to use any of them in self defense.
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Many to most progressives theft of your property is no big deal. Just let them take it, believing if you give thieves everything they want, then they would beat, rape, stab to death, set on fire and/or murder all of you. To those, the most trustworthy, truthful and non-violent pacifists in the world are people who break into your home because they need money for their drug addiction. Besides, they need what they steal more than you because you aren't a drug addict - so it is their right to take it anyway. Thieves and burglars are Robin Hood to them for fair wealth distribution.
 
vesper said:
'What a bunch of hoooweeee. I know what it is like to what I thought was secure in my own home with my children only to have bad people break in and steal me blind while I was upstairs with my kids and no gun to protect myself. I was one of those people that didn't want guns in the house. That night my thinking changed. Today I can load and shoot a handgun, rifle and shotgun. I would not hesitate to use any of them in self defense.
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Oh, get over it.

Yeah, to bad you could not murder someone for taking your radio.
 
joko104 said:
They also tend to believe they can wish reality to be what they want - and then rant because it isn't reality.

The topic is whether the AR15 is the most lethal means easily available to someone determined to commit mass murder. It is a topic they refuse to even discuss. Rather, they pretend that if the AR15 is banned, then all violent mental health issues and all terrorism magically vanishes.
That is the plan. To pretend that other than the AR15 and prior to the AR15 and similar firearms, there has never been and never will be a mass murder terror attack. There has never been a bombing, never been mass murder arson, never a poisoning and no planes ever flew into any building, the Texas tower shooting didn't happen none of that. In fact, their view is that the guns create all violent, murderous actions and all violent psychosis of any and all kind. Then rant and demand upon that.

As I stated, there is no possibility to even have a discussion when the other side absolutely denies real events that actually happened. As Joe Biden explained, the Democratic Party will no longer tolerate "facts," they will only accept their own declared "truths."

He hit the mindset of many to most Democratic progressives square on the head, for which at the core is corporate fascist propaganda they are told by the rich and powerful.

Across all of human history the rich and powerful want peasants disarmed and totally vulnerable, while they live behind walls with their private little armies protecting them. In this way, they turn peasants into beggars of the rich and powerful - which is EXACTLY what the Democratic Party is all about now - begging for medical care, college education, food, housing, to pay their bills - begging the super rich and powerful to do this for them.

Prior to common people having firearms for defense in Europe, the homicide rate was 10,000% higher. Prior to common people having firearms, there were no human rights, no civil rights, and not individual rights. All ordinary people were slaves or serfs who worked every day from sun rise to sunset - starting as soon they were old enough to stand. Any misconduct - or just for the hell of it - any of them could be beaten, raped, tortured and/or murdered. All the castles had dungeons and all the torture devices of all kinds in museums are real - not reproductions - tens of thousands of such devices of unthinkable levels of horror and pain. THIS is level of power over everyone the Democratic Party demands the rich and powerful have.
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Was the taken from, The Rational of the Coward? I never read it.
 
joko104 said:
Many to most progressives theft of your property is no big deal. Just let them take it, believing if you give thieves everything they want, then they would beat, rape, stab to death, set on fire and/or murder all of you. To those, the most non-violent pascifists in the world are people all drugged up who break into your home. Besides, they need what they steal more than you so it is their right to take it anyway.
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What happened to me was decades ago before cell phones. All an intruder had to do is take your phone off the hook and that did not allow you to call for help in another room. Cell phones did not come into the scene until the 1980's and everyday folks did start to sign on until the late 90's.

They took my purse and with that my identity credit cards, driver's license etc. Anyone who has been through this know what a nightmare that can be. They found my purse several yards away with much of my identity taken along with cash. They did catch them and it turned out to be a group of young adults looking for ways to get revenue to feed their drug habit.
With the number of people addicted to drugs in our society many are at threat of being a victim of theft, anyone who has anything of value is at threat. And even with insurance you will be required to pay the deductible in order to get a portion of the value they steal.
 
noonereal said:
Was the taken from, The Rational of the Coward? I never read it.
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Most anti-gunners are the cowards. Afraid of guns. Afraid someone might expect them to defend their own child or parents or wife. At the core, the primary reason I believe people want to ban CCW and open carry as that way they can hide their cowardice behind a law to turn everyone into defenseless cowards. This hides their own cowardice and apathy about even their own family members.
 
joko104 said:
Most anti-gunners are the cowards. Afraid of guns. Afraid someone might expect them to defend their own child or parents or wife. At the core, the primary reason I believe people want to ban CCW and open carry as that way they can hide their cowardice behind a law to turn everyone into defenseless cowards. This hides their own cowardice and apathy about even their own family members.
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Personal opinion noted and dismissed
 
joko104 said:
Most anti-gunners are the cowards. Afraid of guns. Afraid someone might expect them to defend their own child or parents or wife. At the core, the primary reason I believe people want to ban CCW and open carry as that way they can hide their cowardice behind a law to turn everyone into defenseless cowards. This hides their own cowardice and apathy about even their own family members.
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Great logic.

God bless you.
 
noonereal said:
Oh, get over it.

Yeah, to bad you could not murder someone for taking your radio.
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Thank for proving the point I just made that many progressives fully support thieves, robbers and burglars.

Of course your message is a lie. No mention was made to "murder someone" for "taking" a "radio." Rather, what was stated was to defend her children and herself, something you have made it clear you would never do. Rather, by your messages it appears you would essentially us children as your human shields as you could run away faster than little children, so they more likely shot than you.

What were you just saying about "cowardice?"

I truly despise cowardly men in very real terms. Among other reasons, I see them as very dangerous to others - particularly children and women.

Is this your theme song?

 
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joko104 said:
Thank for proving the point I just made that many progressives fully support thieves, robbers and burglars.

Of course your message is a lie. No mention was made to "murder someone" for "taking" a "radio." Rather, what was stated was to defend her children and herself, something you have made it clear you would never do. Rather, by your messages it appears you would essentially us children as your human shields as you could run away faster than little children, so they more likely shot than you.

What were you just saying about "cowardice?"

Is this your theme song?

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A man uses his intellect to defend his family first. Not an iron penis extension.

Your "defense" (gun) is an illusion that soothes your fear.

If I have intent to victimize you, all your gun can do is make a bad situation worse for you.

Grow a pair and toss your gun.
 
noonereal said:
A man uses his intellect to defend his family first. Not an iron penis extension.

Your "defense" (gun) is an illusion that soothes your fear.

If I have intent to victimize you, all your gun can do is make a bad situation worse for you.

Grow a pair and toss your gun.
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So you see no reason whatsoever to ban any guns because anyone shot by a gun did it to themselves by not having your "intellect." In your words, everyone every murdered by a gun had nothing to do with guns at all. Rather, the victims all are responsible for their own deaths.

That's what corporate-fascist progressives generally do - always - the blame the victims. All the people killed in the Pulse Nightclub, Vegas, Dayton, and El Paso are who are to blame for their deaths - not the shooter at all - according to YOU exactly in your message.

Such truly is the idiotic reasoning of cowardice. Any excuse, any absurdity, to cover up a proactive decision to never defend anyone - but certainly expecting others to use guns to protect you, such as the police. But, then, you'd never call the police would you? There is no reason to according to you. You just would use your intellect - unlike who you came are all the stupid people who get themselves murdered by not being as smart as you.
 
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Someone said something curious, and while I don't agree with it about children, women and the elderly, there is a point to it. In WalMart, no one acted in either their own defense nor defense of anyone else. Since that is their philosophy and practice - to never be willing to defend anyone else or themselves, why should anyone else do so? Why should the police risk themselves for people who decided to sacrifice themselves? Isn't that a person's right?

If a person's belief is in letting themselves and everyone else to be defenselessly murdered, it might even unethical to interfere with their own ethics and values. I think adults have a right to kill themselves if that is their decision. If a person wants to sacrifice themselves on the anti-gun alter, why should anyone stop their practicing their own beliefs?

I see no reason why in my personal capacity I should come to the aid of any cowardly man or man who I know would not come to my defense. That is obvious enough. He is not one of "us," not one of my people, not one of we-the-people. He's either just a coward or a totally self absorbed me! me! only me! person. Then be that person on your own.
 
joko104 said:
So you see no reason whatsoever to ban any guns because anyone shot by a gun did it to themselves by not having your "intellect." In your words, everyone every murdered by a gun had nothing to do with guns at all. Rather, the victims all are responsible for their own deaths.

That's what corporate-fascist progressives generally do - always - the blame the victims. All the people killed in the Pulse Nightclub, Vegas, Dayton, and El Paso are who are to blame for their deaths - not the shooter at all.

Such truly is the idiotic reasoning of cowardice. Any excuse, any absurdity, to cover up a proactive decision to never defend anyone - but certainly expecting others to use guns to protect you, such as the police. But, then, you'd never call the police would you? There is no reason to according to you.
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You are having a very hard time making reasoned connections.

This post is straight from bizarro land logic.

A very Trumpian post.
 
joko104 said:
Someone said something curious, and while I don't agree with it about children, women and the elderly, there is a point to it. In WalMart, no one acted in either their own defense nor defense of anyone else. Since that is their philosophy and practice - to never be willing to defend anyone else or themselves, why should anyone else do so? Why should the police risk themselves for people who decided to sacrifice themselves? Isn't that a person's right?

If a person's belief is in letting themselves and everyone else to be defenselessly murdered, it might even unethical to interfere with their own ethics and values. I think adults have a right to kill themselves if that is their decision. If a person wants to sacrifice themselves on the anti-gun alter, why should anyone stop their practicing their own beliefs?

I see no reason why in my personal capacity I should come to the aid of any cowardly man or man who I know would not come to my defense. That is obvious enough. He is not one of "us," not one of my people, not one of we-the-people. He's either just a coward or a totally self absorbed me! me! only me! person. Then be that person on your own.
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Truly convoluted thoughts are expressed here.

Maybe get some rest and maybe some clarity will come to you.
 
vegas giants said:
Must be sarcasm
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Do you agree with him? That everyone murdered was murdered because they lacked his "intellect?" Everyone ever murdered was murdered because they lacked the intellect to avoid it?

If so, why ban any guns since isn't shooters or guns who kill people. It is people's stupid who get them killed - especially it's the children's own fault.

Seriously, do you agree with him that "intellect" is the fail proof body armor? Maybe we should teach our police and troops that too. That they will just think bad guys into defeat and think themselves into being bullet proof.
 
noonereal said:
Truly convoluted thoughts are expressed here.

Maybe get some rest and maybe some clarity will come to you.
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Wow, when you run away you REALLY run away - even from a debate!!! This is how you win? What happened to your "intellect?" :lamo
 
noonereal said:
You are having a very hard time making reasoned connections.

This post is straight from bizarro land logic.

A very Trumpian post.
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It is YOUR logic, not mine. I was quite clear how absurd your logic of "intellect" stops rape, assault and murder - and that "intellect" stops bullets. That is exactly what you posted.
 
joko104 said:
Wow, when you run away you REALLY run away - even from a debate!!! This is how you win? What happened to your "intellect?" :lamo
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Intellect cannot be endowed to another when they are scattered in thought.
 
joko104 said:
It is YOUR logic, not mine. I was quite clear how absurd your logic of "intellect" stops rape, assault and murder - and that "intellect" stops bullets. That is exactly what you posted.
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I speak above you. You have no understanding of what I speak.
 
noonereal said:
I speak above you. You have no understanding of what I speak.
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This and the prior message demonstrates my "intellect" is significantly higher than yours. It also indicated you are likely a reclusive person for which this Internet is your life. Here on this forum you can declare yourself of superior intellect - such massive brain power you can stop bullets merely with your thought, something you dare not do in public unless you want to seem complete like a nutcase.
 
joko104 said:
Do you agree with him? That everyone murdered was murdered because they lacked his "intellect?" Everyone ever murdered was murdered because they lacked the intellect to avoid it?

If so, why ban any guns since isn't shooters or guns who kill people. It is people's stupid who get them killed - especially it's the children's own fault.

Seriously, do you agree with him that "intellect" is the fail proof body armor? Maybe we should teach our police and troops that too. That they will just think bad guys into defeat and think themselves into being bullet proof.
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Extremist arguments bore me
 
vegas giants said:
Personal opinion noted and dismissed
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I have no problem with a person being afraid of guns - and if so don't have one.

The problem is when they want THEIR fear to control ME - and in their fear endangering my family, others around me and myself.

If you are afraid to drive a car - and many people are - don't drive a car. That fear does not justify demanding banning all cars - though cars are vastly more danger than guns - nor demand the speed limit be reduced to 20 mph because YES that would save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries.

If the maximum speed limit was 20 mph worldwide it would save about a million lives a year - literally. It would save tens of thousands of lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries per year just in the USA. Any of you wanting CCW banned?
 
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