Has diversity benefited the USA?

[phattonez]

If you want to create a great sword, don't just make it out of iron. Use a combination of metals, such as iron and nickel. Assuming you process the metals together correctly, you'll get an alloy that will make a great sword. But if you can't properly combine them the sword will be weak and possibly shatter.

A good sword also requires a very hot fire and hammering.

 

[Mithros]

If diversity is so beneficial why do so many diversiphiles pay premiums to live in communities far from the loveliness of diversity!

Why do people pay premiums to live in the least diverse places in the US? You mean like:

1. Tucker County, West Virginia (100% white/non-Latino)
2. Robertson County, Kentucky (100% white/non-Latino)
3. Hooker County, Nebraska (100% white/non-Latino)
4. Hand County, South Dakota (99% white/non-Latino and 1% Latino)
5. Owsley County, Kentucky (98% white/non-Latino and 2% Latino)

 

[phattonez]

Society needs to have commonality in the social fabric in order to have a functioning society at all.

You mean the constant haranguing about white privilege and wypipo is bad for society? No way!

 

[Mithros]

Red:
The US had some quantity of immigrants between 5.5M and 6.5M, probably about 6M, when it first restricted immigration with the Page Act in 1875. Prior to the Page Act, there was no such thing as illegal immigration. Thus, the answer to your question is "none." (Of course, one need not know of the Page Act to know the answer to your question is "none.")

Nice find! (Though the Page Act was only used to restrict female Asian immigrants.. because obviously they were just going to be sex slaves).

It's really not that surprising that certain parts of US history are sort of skipped.

 

[Tim the plumber]

If diversity is so beneficial why do so many diversiphiles pay premiums to live in communities far from the loveliness of diversity!

What restaurant di you last vist?

1, Indian

2, French

3, Italian

4, Vietnamese

5, Mongolian

6, Texan

7, Argentinian

8, Some other exotic place

?

 

[phattonez]

If diversity is so beneficial why do so many diversiphiles pay premiums to live in communities far from the loveliness of diversity!

A lot of the most vocal diversity supporters live in Beverly Hills, but:

 

[phattonez]

What restaurant di you last vist?

1, Indian

2, French

3, Italian

4, Vietnamese

5, Mongolian

6, Texan

7, Argentinian

8, Some other exotic place

?

Note: all of these places have Mexican chefs. Well, maybe not the French restaurant.

 

[gfm7175]

Diversity has always been great for this nation, until liberals started to race-bait every chance they get.

This is because liberals seem to focus mostly on just racial and gender diversity, and completely forget about all other types of diversity, such as intellectual diversity.

 

[Mach]

If you want to create a great sword, don't just make it out of iron. Use a combination of metals, such as iron and nickel. Assuming you process the metals together correctly, you'll get an alloy that will make a great sword. But if you can't properly combine them the sword will be weak and possibly shatter.

If you pick the wrong pure metal to start with, you won't be able to make a sword in the first place, maybe you could make a lump of hillbilly slag.

 

[slick]

How many immigrants illegally crossed the border before it was illegal for immigrants to cross the border?

Is that really hill you want to die on?

BTW...the laws of 1921 and 1924 didn't restrict Mexicans. Immigration from Mexico was 100% unrestricted until 1965. Not only was it not illegal, we encouraged it. The Bracero Program operated from 1942-1965. It intentionally brought over Mexican laborers to work on US farms due to the US labor shortage. Do you want to ask a question about the millions of people who were doing what we wanted them to do until we made what we wanted them to do illegal?

Incorrect again! The Blease’s law was designed to restrict Mexican immigration. Blease’s bill, became the Immigration Act of March 4, 1929.

Throughout the 1930s, Mexicans never comprised fewer than 85 percent of all immigration prisoners.
Some years later, that number rose to 99 percent.
By the end of the decade, tens of thousands of Mexicans had been convicted of unlawfully entering or reentering the United States. The U.S.
Bureau of Prisons built three new prisons in the U.S.-Mexico border region: La Tuna Prison in El Paso, Prison Camp #10 in Tucson and
Terminal Island in Los Angeles.
https://theconversation.com/how-crossing-the-us-mexico-border-became-a-crime-74604

 

[phattonez]

If you pick the wrong pure metal to start with, you won't be able to make a sword in the first place, maybe you could make a lump of hillbilly slag.

Way to make his point. "If you can't properly combined them the sword will be weak and possibly shatter."

Anti-white racism is a massive problem in this country.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Note: all of these places have Mexican chefs. Well, maybe not the French restaurant.

Bloody good then those Mexicans.

 

[Mach]

A lot of the most vocal diversity supporters live in Beverly Hills, but:

Few people choose their place of residence based on diversity, that's absurd. We go where jobs are, and in the Beverly Hills case, they go there for the prestige of affluence.

 

[Tanngrisnir]

Way to make his point. "If you can't properly combined them the sword will be weak and possibly shatter."

Anti-white racism is a massive problem in this country.

Anti-white racism isn't even remotely approaching problem status in this country.

What an oddly delusional assertion.

 

[Myview]

Nonsense, America overtook Britain as the greatest economic & military power in the world in the 1920's far before the
'age of diversity'. Since the age of diversity in a matter of years the USA will soon give up those titles after 100 years to
a country which is the most perfect example of homogenous citizenry.

I stand by my opinion. You are welcomed to yours. You exclude a lot of human advances if the only people you want to accept from our founding are whites from England and Scotland. Those countries have also diversified.

Every country that exists today has a very diversified population even China. Look up how many ethnicities they have. Diversity benefits the whole world; where would China be if they hadn't borrowed, begged, stolen, copied, and coerced western technology. North Korea is the best example of a homogenous country left in the world. I don't fault some Americans for wanting to live among their own kind. I just choose to live a different way without fear of others no matter what their skin color or nation of origin.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Quote Originally Posted by slick View Post
Nonsense, America overtook Britain as the greatest economic & military power in the world in the 1920's far before the
'age of diversity'. Since the age of diversity in a matter of years the USA will soon give up those titles after 100 years to
a country which is the most perfect example of homogenous citizenry.

USA overtook the British Empire in GDP in 1850.

1815 the British Isles had been more than 50% of the world's GDP.

 

[phattonez]

Few people choose their place of residence based on diversity, that's absurd. We go where jobs are, and in the Beverly Hills case, they go there for the prestige of affluence.

People move to where there is low crime and good schools. We all know what that means.

 

[Xelor]

One could also say that a many of the people behind these revolutions were imported.

What about The Bracero Program. (I didn't know about it before today either) It's goal was a massive import of Mexican laborers to work on American farms from 1942-1965.

Red:
??? What about the Bracero Program? Look at the dates of that program and it's etiology is obvious: the motivation behind it was to mitigate the post-WWII-population driven labor shortage.

The scope of our exchange was the correlation between the various technology-driven revolutions and immigration rate increases and decreases. The 1940s-1960s wasn't a period of industrial/digital (technologically driven innovation/business boom) revolution, so it's not clear to me why you have mentioned "Bracero."


Aside:

Far and away, the most impactful factor that shifts (effects increases in) supply is technological change, which is precisely what the Industrial and Digital Revolutions were and why the curves track with those periods. (Keep in mind that the shifts of supply and demand happen cyclically (click here too).)​

 

[Xelor]

Nice find! (Though the Page Act was only used to restrict female Asian immigrants.. because obviously they were just going to be sex slaves).

It's really not that surprising that certain parts of US history are sort of skipped.

Bold: TY. It's kind of you say that, but I don't deserve credit for finding anything.

Red:
??? I have no idea what you mean by "parts of US history are sort of skipped."

• Skipped by whom?
• What's "sort of" mean vis-a-vis "skipped." "Skipped," like "pregnancy," is a binary quality.

I'm not about to say the Page Act came to mind by name and date, for it didn't. Upon reading your earlier post, what crossed my mind was the vague recollection that it was sometime around Reconstruction and the building of the transcontinental railroad that the US had its first big immigration "hissy fit" that moved the legislature to do something about it and that it had something to do with Chinese immigrants.

I was of a mind to remark upon that, but I first took 10 seconds to "Google" and confirm my supposition, and that's how I came upon the Page Act. I certainly cannot attest to recalling having ever heard specifically, by name, of the Page Act. (There's no way in hell I would have, on Jeopardy, said, "What is the Page Act?" LOL) I can say I recalled the basic substance and trends I learned of in my high school US history and college US economic history classes. That was enough to give me a good sense of what to look for and easily find when I "Googled." I've got somewhat decent capacity for recalling stuff I learned (as opposed to merely memorized -- I likely don't remember any of that content) in school, and I'm pretty good at putting two-and-two together, but my memory is not eidetic....

 

[Mithros]

Bold: TY. It's kind of you say that, but I don't deserve credit for finding anything.

Red:
??? I have no idea what you mean by "parts of US history are sort of skipped."

• Skipped by whom?
• What's "sort of" mean vis-a-vis "skipped." "Skipped," like "pregnancy," is a binary quality.

I'm not about to say the Page Act came to mind by name and date, for it didn't. Upon reading your earlier post, what crossed my mind was the vague recollection that it was sometime around Reconstruction and the building of the transcontinental railroad that the US had its first big immigration "hissy fit" that moved the legislature to do something about it and that it had something to do with Chinese immigrants.

I was of a mind to remark upon that, but I first took 10 seconds to "Google" and confirm my supposition, and that's how I came upon the Page Act. I certainly cannot attest to recalling having ever heard specifically, by name, of the Page Act. (There's no way in hell I would have, on Jeopardy, said, "What is the Page Act?" LOL) I can say I recalled the basic substance and trends I learned of in my high school US history and college US economic history classes. That was enough to give me a good sense of what to look for and easily find when I "Googled." I've got somewhat decent capacity for recalling stuff I learned (as opposed to merely memorized -- I likely don't remember any of that content) in school, and I'm pretty good at putting two-and-two together, but my memory is not eidetic....

Sorry, it was a new and interesting data point for me.

 

[Xelor]

Sorry, it was a new and interesting data point for me.

Ah...Understood. TY for the clarification...Glad to have revealed something new to you. Hope you can make some good use of it somewhere down the road...

Cheers.

 

[Mithros]

Incorrect again! The Blease’s law was designed to restrict Mexican immigration. Blease’s bill, became the Immigration Act of March 4, 1929.

Throughout the 1930s, Mexicans never comprised fewer than 85 percent of all immigration prisoners.
Some years later, that number rose to 99 percent.
By the end of the decade, tens of thousands of Mexicans had been convicted of unlawfully entering or reentering the United States. The U.S.
Bureau of Prisons built three new prisons in the U.S.-Mexico border region: La Tuna Prison in El Paso, Prison Camp #10 in Tucson and
Terminal Island in Los Angeles.
https://theconversation.com/how-crossing-the-us-mexico-border-became-a-crime-74604

Now we're talking about slightly different things. There's entering the US illegally, entering illegally instead of legally, and entering illegally because you can't enter legally.

Considering that Blease was a white supremacist, it's hard to argue against the goal of Blease's law being to reduce Mexican immigration. But Blease's law didn't limit the number of Mexican immigrants directly.

The immigration laws of 1921 and 1924 placed quotas on the number of immigrants that could permanently relocate in the US. That was a direct limitation. Only a certain quota of people from each country (according to the 1910 census) were allowed to enter the US legally. Mexicans and Canadians were except from these quotas. They could enter in any number they desired.

It's a question of what legal entry meant. Businesses and farms in the US needed migrant Mexican workers for labor. However, people in the US considered Mexicans to be dirty. Bleases law set up a system so that Mexicans faced mandatory delousing and entry fees. Entering the country illegally meant avoiding the delousing and fees. Americans didn't want Mexicans in the country, but also relied on them as a workforce. So the real goal of these laws was turn Mexican labor into a commodity that could be turned on or off as needed.

 

[Empirica]

"Hell no! Nazism is the way to go!!"

Why do you leftists incessantly impose your Socialism on freedom loving people?!

It takes a special kind of intentional ignorance to not understand how a diversity of perspectives result in the most just and efficient solutions.

And you believe "diversity of perspectives" is dependent on such things as skin color?

 

[ecofarm]

Why do you leftists incessantly impose your Socialism on freedom loving people?!

And you believe "diversity of perspectives" is dependent on such things as skin color?

I'm sorry, hon, it's just too cray cray. Be good.

 

[Myview]

Nonsense, America overtook Britain as the greatest economic & military power in the world in the 1920's far before the
'age of diversity'. Since the age of diversity in a matter of years the USA will soon give up those titles after 100 years to
a country which is the most perfect example of homogenous citizenry.

Enlighten me. I don't know what the age of diversity is. When it began. Who coined the term. This is an epoch I have never heard of. The colony that became us began to diversify almost immediately with the influx of Dutch and Germans. Diversification began when the human species spread from Africa to populate the world. It is a continuing constant process. Indeed, diversification began in Africa before humans populated the world. I don't know that there
is a time in history date certain that we can call the age of diversity.