Has Barr turned the DOJ into part of the Trump re-election campaign machine?

[independentusa]

We know that Barr is sending Durham all over the world trying to gin up the idea that the real bad guys in the 2016 election was not Trump and the Russian, but the Dems and Clinton. We went through how many investigations of the Clinton emails before and during the 2016 to now find out that it was as many Gopers say, a nothing burger. Now we find out that one of those countries that Durham has visited and "asked" for information was none other than Ukraine. This at the same time Trump told the Ukraine president that he could give the dirt on the Dem to Guliani and you guessed it, Barr, or no money. How do we know because Mic the lip Mulvaney lip let out cat out of the bag as the whole plan was a Quid pro quo. So I suspect that using such techniques to get information from other countries, they will come up with some dirt, whether it is real or not. I do not think in my life, and I am in my mid 70"s, I have ever seen a president use a DOJ for this purpose. Many dictators such as Putin and Erdogan have done things like this, but not a president of the USA.

 

[lemmiwinx]

Barr and Durham haven't released anything and already they're the scourges of the earth and need to be burned at the stake. I love a nice political discussion this should be a doozie.

 

[Bullseye]

We know that Barr is sending Durham all over the world trying to gin up the idea that the real bad guys in the 2016 election was not Trump and the Russian, but the Dems and Clinton. We went through how many investigations of the Clinton emails before and during the 2016 to now find out that it was as many Gopers say, a nothing burger. Now we find out that one of those countries that Durham has visited and "asked" for information was none other than Ukraine. This at the same time Trump told the Ukraine president that he could give the dirt on the Dem to Guliani and you guessed it, Barr, or no money. How do we know because Mic the lip Mulvaney lip let out cat out of the bag as the whole plan was a Quid pro quo. So I suspect that using such techniques to get information from other countries, they will come up with some dirt, whether it is real or not. I do not think in my life, and I am in my mid 70"s, I have ever seen a president use a DOJ for this purpose. Many dictators such as Putin and Erdogan have done things like this, but not a president of the USA.

No. Next question. Oh, You really think the email investigation was a "nothingburger"? over 488 violations is "nothing". People facing a variety of punishments is "nothing"?

 

[trixare4kids]

We know that Barr is sending Durham all over the world trying to gin up the idea that the real bad guys in the 2016 election was not Trump and the Russian, but the Dems and Clinton. We went through how many investigations of the Clinton emails before and during the 2016 to now find out that it was as many Gopers say, a nothing burger. Now we find out that one of those countries that Durham has visited and "asked" for information was none other than Ukraine. This at the same time Trump told the Ukraine president that he could give the dirt on the Dem to Guliani and you guessed it, Barr, or no money. How do we know because Mic the lip Mulvaney lip let out cat out of the bag as the whole plan was a Quid pro quo. So I suspect that using such techniques to get information from other countries, they will come up with some dirt, whether it is real or not. I do not think in my life, and I am in my mid 70"s, I have ever seen a president use a DOJ for this purpose. Many dictators such as Putin and Erdogan have done things like this, but not a president of the USA.

What utter nonsense.

Durham was hired to review the origins of the famous Russia inquiry. The American people have a right to know if it was on the up and up.
What do you have against it?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

No. Next question. Oh, You really think the email investigation was a "nothingburger"? over 488 violations is "nothing". People facing a variety of punishments is "nothing"?

I think what was found is nothing like what we were told happened.

I think I may have even heard someone come close to suggesting the Clinton may have broken a law (or two).

I don't think there were any criminal findings in the DoS review, were there?

I honestly looks like there were a bunch of investigations into Clinton which were unable to result in much of anything.

It'd be unsurprising if Durham turned up about as much as the House permanent select committee on Benghazi did.

 

[jnug]

Oh its worse than Barr turning DOJ into a Trumpkin campaign arm. We are now looking at the complete corruption of DOJ and the State Dept. Frankly the complete corruption of the DOJ is scarier just because of the degree that Barr can control DOJ. Pompeo has really dug a hole for himself at State and he has ambitions for holding public office again that are going down the drain at the moment.

Barr and Durham as it turns out are not just running around the world "investigating" the 2016 election. They are actively investigating the Bidens and 2020. So there you have it folks. Authoritarianism at its best or worst depending on your perspective. We have DOJ actively investigating political adversaries of the current President, a potential candidate in 2020 for the very office he holds.

Well there is one silver lining. The Trumpettes can now wait with baited breath for what Durham and Barr come up with till hell freezes over. Barr and Durham have already debauched their own investigation. Does not matter what trash they flesh up at this point. It will have to be viewed though the lens of an entirely corrupted process.

Oh by the way, the State Dept "investigation" of HRC and her emails is now over. Remember, the one that Pompeo ramped up with some 100's of State Dept officials being interviewed. Result....nothing found. Crickets!!!!

 

[Bullseye]

What utter nonsense.

Durham was hired to review the origins of the famous Russia inquiry.
What do you have against it?

The left is getting more and more nervous. That's why they're so desperate to besmirch the Ukraine investigations and to find any possible thread to impeach Trump on. If he gets re-elected the "lock him/her up" chant is going to become deafening.

 

[trixare4kids]

The left is getting more and more nervous. That's why they're so desperate to besmirch the Ukraine investigations and to find any possible thread to impeach Trump on. If he gets re-elected the "lock him/her up" chant is going to become deafening.

It's almost surreal...
Like the thread you just started. Some are literally incapable of discussing an idea, a political view that isn't theirs anymore.

 

[jnug]

The left is getting more and more nervous. That's why they're so desperate to besmirch the Ukraine investigations and to find any possible thread to impeach Trump on. If he gets re-elected the "lock him/her up" chant is going to become deafening.

Sorry bucko. This is right in people's eyes now. Barr and Durham are now bankrupted by their own actions. We don't use the DOJ in this country to investigate and pressure political adversaries for public office. Sorry boys....pack it in now. They can claim to have found Biden in a Ukraine hotelroom playing Golden Shower with Prostitutes and nobody is going to believe it. They would have been better served keeping their concentration on 2016. At least they had a slim chance of some credibility there. Going after 2020, they have completely blown their cover to all but the utter Trumpette circle jerkers.

 

[Bullseye]

It's almost surreal...
Like the thread you just started. Some are literally incapable of discussing an idea, a political view that isn't theirs anymore.

LOL, I wasn't surprised by the comments of either of the two under-bridge persons.

 

[independentusa]

The left is getting more and more nervous. That's why they're so desperate to besmirch the Ukraine investigations and to find any possible thread to impeach Trump on. If he gets re-elected the "lock him/her up" chant is going to become deafening.

If you look at Trump and his cronies, I think the ones getting nervous are the GOP. And there is there in the Ukraine investigation since trump told us he had done it and Mulvaney told us it was a quid pro quo, even if he is now trying to "take it back". I know Trumpsters do not care that trump and his cronies not only break the law on a regular basis, but are turning our government into as close to a dictatorship as you can get, but most Americans now not only back the impeachment inquiry, but also want trump removed from office because of trump's actions.

 

[Bullseye]

If you look at Trump and his cronies, I think the ones getting nervous are the GOP. And there is there in the Ukraine investigation since trump told us he had done it and Mulvaney told us it was a quid pro quo, even if he is now trying to "take it back". I know Trumpsters do not care that trump and his cronies not only break the law on a regular basis, but are turning our government into as close to a dictatorship as you can get, but most Americans now not only back the impeachment inquiry, but also want trump removed from office because of trump's actions.

Thanks for the mindless rant. I expect no less.

 

[vesper]

After post #9, I just couldn't stop laughing. Not only at the post itself but those who were liking these posts.

John Durham that Director Barr appointed has many years in investigating corruption in our government. He has gone after dirty Republicans as well as dirty Democrats. When it was reported that Durham was expanding his investigation into wrongdoing he requested more funds and more people to assist in the investigation. In other words Durham has uncovered a lot of there there. It is also being reported that Durham wants to talk to Brennan and Clapper.

Right now there's a good number of the good ole boys/gals that sold/betrayed their trust the American people put into them for political power are now sweating bullets.

You know all of this is tied to the delay of the Horowitz report that was promised in June and now it is coming to the end of October and yet we are still waiting.

When A.G. Barr stated he believed there was evidence that the Trump campaign was being spied on by the Obama administration that was all in for Hillary Clinton.

At that point when Barr made it very clear after a two year investigation that Mueller found no evidence that Trump, his family or anyone associated with his campaign or anyone in his administration was colluding with Russians and was wanting at that point what initiated a counterintelligence investigation on Trump, his campaign, his family, his transition team, ad for months after he was president. He wanted to know how did that happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\

After Barr made those public statements Horowitz, an Obama appointee was overwhelmed with people who did not want to cooperate with his investigation prior now wanting to cooperate and when they did cooperate, Horowitz had to follow those leads. Now there is a fight going on what can be made public. And not only that the report itself is hundreds of pages long. If there was no there there, the report would not have been hundreds of pages long.


The wheels of justice grind oh so slow but ultimately the best case possible is made to convict the wrongdoers.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

When A.G. Barr stated he believed there was evidence that the Trump campaign was being spied on by the Obama administration...

Did Barr use those words — Obama Administration?

Or did he just mean that some govt agency was keeping tabs on someone like Manafort during the Obama Administration?

I saw someone the other day try to claim that keeping tabs on Manafort was the same thing as tapping Trump's phone.

 

[vesper]

Did Barr use those words — Obama Administration?

Or did he just mean that some govt agency was keeping tabs on someone like Manafort during the Obama Administration?

I saw someone the other day try to claim that keeping tabs on Manafort was the same thing as tapping Trump's phone.

He stated publicly that he found it a big deal for the party in control of the intel agencies spying on the other party's candidate, their campaign etc. especially after 2 years of Mueller investigating the notion of Russian coercion and found nothing.

 

[btthegreat]

We know that Barr is sending Durham all over the world trying to gin up the idea that the real bad guys in the 2016 election was not Trump and the Russian, but the Dems and Clinton. We went through how many investigations of the Clinton emails before and during the 2016 to now find out that it was as many Gopers say, a nothing burger. Now we find out that one of those countries that Durham has visited and "asked" for information was none other than Ukraine. This at the same time Trump told the Ukraine president that he could give the dirt on the Dem to Guliani and you guessed it, Barr, or no money. How do we know because Mic the lip Mulvaney lip let out cat out of the bag as the whole plan was a Quid pro quo. So I suspect that using such techniques to get information from other countries, they will come up with some dirt, whether it is real or not. I do not think in my life, and I am in my mid 70"s, I have ever seen a president use a DOJ for this purpose. Many dictators such as Putin and Erdogan have done things like this, but not a president of the USA.

Well there was that AG of Nixon's John Mitchell... Conspiracy, Obstruction of Justice and Perjury with about a year in jail. People recall him being a bit mixed up about his respective loyalties to the abstract notion of law and Tricky Dick.

I wasn't in his fan club either.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

He stated publicly that he found it a big deal for the party in control of the intel agencies spying on the other party's candidate, their campaign etc. especially after 2 years of Mueller investigating the notion of Russian coercion and found nothing.

"the party ... spying on the other party's candidate"?

Barr said that the Democrats were spying on Trump et al?

What exactly did Barr say?

 

[vesper]

"the party ... spying on the other party's candidate"?

Barr said that the Democrats were spying on Trump et al?

What exactly did Barr say?

I suggest you do a search of the complete testimony of Barr before Congress after the release of the Mueller report

 

[independentusa]

Thanks for the mindless rant. I expect no less.

Trumpsters do not like fact, do they? And their only allegiance seems to be to Trump. All hail the great leader seems to be their motto. Hows that far a real rant, unlike my earlier message which was all facts. Trump admitted his guilt and Mulvaney told us it was quid pro Quo and the polls show they want Trump impeached and removed. Like I said, Trumpsters do not like FACTS. I guess they believe what trump told them, do not believe your eyes and ears but only Trump.

 

[Bullseye]

Trumpsters do not like fact, do they? And their only allegiance seems to be to Trump. All hail the great leader seems to be their motto. Hows that far a real rant, unlike my earlier message which was all facts. Trump admitted his guilt and Mulvaney told us it was quid pro Quo and the polls show they want Trump impeached and removed. Like I said, Trumpsters do not like FACTS. I guess they believe what trump told them, do not believe your eyes and ears but only Trump.

Got nothing but name-calling and insults, eh? Toss in a few bull**** statements about Trump. What a pathetic post.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I suggest you do a search of the complete testimony of Barr before Congress after the release of the Mueller report

I found a copy
Read Attorney General William Barr's written testimony before Senate Judiciary Committee - ABC News

Where's the bit about spying?

I searched for 'spy' but nothing came up.

 

[jnug]

I found a copy
Read Attorney General William Barr's written testimony before Senate Judiciary Committee - ABC News

Where's the bit about spying?

I searched for 'spy' but nothing came up.

You read his statement, not his testimony.

 

[jnug]

For the record I also think Barr and DOJ doth protest too much regarding what influence Rudy and all his nonsense has had on DOJ activities. Just the impact Rudy might have had on the Firtash extradition effort might be enough to have screwed that up. Of course Firtash is the Ukraine oligarch with heavy ties to Putin, the Russian Mafia and Manafort. All of them engaged in the effort to steal away the levers of control of the Ukraine economy and hand it to Putin on a platter.

Firtash was the source for that idiotic pack of papers Rudy was holding up on Fox News claiming them to be affidavits from Ukraine regarding Joe Biden. Right....sure they are Rudy. Have another drink and calm down why don't you Rudy. Rudy was petitioning for freedom for Firtash and the trade piece was whatever trash Firtash could dream up on Joe Biden.

 

[ocean515]

We know that Barr is sending Durham all over the world trying to gin up the idea that the real bad guys in the 2016 election was not Trump and the Russian, but the Dems and Clinton. We went through how many investigations of the Clinton emails before and during the 2016 to now find out that it was as many Gopers say, a nothing burger. Now we find out that one of those countries that Durham has visited and "asked" for information was none other than Ukraine. This at the same time Trump told the Ukraine president that he could give the dirt on the Dem to Guliani and you guessed it, Barr, or no money. How do we know because Mic the lip Mulvaney lip let out cat out of the bag as the whole plan was a Quid pro quo. So I suspect that using such techniques to get information from other countries, they will come up with some dirt, whether it is real or not. I do not think in my life, and I am in my mid 70"s, I have ever seen a president use a DOJ for this purpose. Many dictators such as Putin and Erdogan have done things like this, but not a president of the USA.

There is a thread on DP asking if liberals are hypocrites. This thread is a perfect example.

What is Schiff & Company doing, if not trying to cover for a weak field of far left Presidential Candidates.

Secrecy, leaks, unconstitutional activity.

Call this thread, Exhibit A

 

[Helix]

Has Barr turned the DOJ into part of the Trump re-election campaign machine?

Well duh