Has Barr created a "secret police"?

[Irwin Corey]

Let's pretend that the Justice Dept didn't examine all evidence and determined that Trump had committed no crimes.

Way to fact-ey for liberals to deal with.

Actually they really didn't "examine anything" and have never said "Trump had commited no crimes". Their go to is "A sitting president cannot be investigated or prosecuted". Wonder what will happen IF Donnie Dictator isn't reelected?

 

[humbolt]

You are avoiding the argument. And I don't think you want to head that direction. Using your logic it's impossible that the FBI did anything unjust against Flynn because (paraphase) "if he didn't lie, the FBI would have nothing to investigate. So why is it a problem?"

The problem here is that while most police officers have done their job adequately, and many have done their job splendidly, some have abused their power by shoving, kicking and tear gassing innocent peaceful protesters. This has happened and isn't really up for debate. So the real question is "should we allow nameless, unidentified men dressed in riot gear to have the opportunity to abuse their power without any possible recourse by the citizenry should that happen." And the answer seems to be an obvious and resounding "no". I'm sure you'd agree if you were walking home and were ordered to get on the ground by a man holding a gun in riot gear who tells you he's an agent but won't tell you his name, rank or what agency he is with.

No, I haven't used the "logic" you mention. The problem with the investigation into Flynn wasn't his statements. It was and is that because there was no basis for an investigation, Flynn's statements, whether true or false, aren't material. What elements within the FBI may have done with regard to Flynn, while a serious matter, is necessarily a separate matter. The prosecution's revealed behavior was sufficient to undermine the case. Van Grack may have to answer for prosecutorial misconduct.

You're assuming bad police behavior. I haven't seen anything seriously wrong with police behavior, but I'll take you at your word that there have been some incidents. If you are protesting peacefully and people around you start rioting and looting, .my advice is to get the **** outta there. Nothing good happens in a riot, but put the blame whete it rightfully resides - with the rioters, looters, and arsonists.

But to the point, this wasn't happening a week ago. If some police don't have names on their uniforms, it's likely there just wasn't sufficient time to get that done.

 

[roughdraft274]

No, I haven't used the "logic" you mention. The problem with the investigation into Flynn wasn't his statements. It was and is that because there was no basis for an investigation, Flynn's statements, whether true or false, aren't material. What elements within the FBI may have done with regard to Flynn, while a serious matter, is necessarily a separate matter. The prosecution's revealed behavior was sufficient to undermine the case. Van Grack may have to answer for prosecutorial misconduct.

You're assuming bad police behavior. I haven't seen anything seriously wrong with police behavior, but I'll take you at your word that there have been some incidents. If you are protesting peacefully and people around you start rioting and looting, .my advice is to get the **** outta there. Nothing good happens in a riot, but put the blame whete it rightfully resides - with the rioters, looters, and arsonists.

But to the point, this wasn't happening a week ago. If some police don't have names on their uniforms, it's likely there just wasn't sufficient time to get that done.

Thanks for replying. I feel that all of my original points still stand completely though, so I feel no need to go through your post in a rebuttal, but wanted to say thanks for responding.

 

[Termn8or]

Oh look, a propaganda cartoon.

Powerful argument there.

Except that for Barr's entire career he was seen by both parties as a man of impeccable integrity, and there is zero evidence showing otherwise.

Quack is the word for that.

I doubt "both parties' approved of his Iran Contra shenanigans.

Which look just like his trump shenanigans.

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Another liberal google "expert" babbling his ignorance and idiocy.

 

[Termn8or]

Let's pretend that the Justice Dept didn't examine all evidence and determined that Trump had committed no crimes.

Way to fact-ey for liberals to deal with.

Having THIS justice department judging the evidence against Trump is an absurd joke. It won't be until Trump's SS chief is in the next call that we will have justice.

If you knew anything about the evidence or the law, you'd know that Barr's Justice Dept professionals are correct.

Mueller knew almost from day one that Trump hadn't committed any crimes, yet tried to entrap Trump in a puffed up obstruction of justice charge.

But failed.

There are now three US Attorneys conducting three separate criminal investigations, and indictments are a virtual certainty, and not for chump change charges like tax evasion or a minor lie on a mortgage application or failing to register as a foreign lobbyist, comically common in the Beltway.

Liberals refuse to read anything outside their safe little Fake Reality Bubble, then chortle in ignorance at those who have actual knowledge.

 

[Schism]

Here's what liberals are really clamoring for: to identify individuals so that they can be harassed, intimidated, threatened, and bullied into surrendering.

Any other time they would be protecting the identities of their own.

 

[humbolt]

Thanks for replying. I feel that all of my original points still stand completely though, so I feel no need to go through your post in a rebuttal, but wanted to say thanks for responding.

Thanks.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Oh look, a propaganda cartoon.

Powerful argument there.

Except that for Barr's entire career he was seen by both parties as a man of impeccable integrity, and there is zero evidence showing otherwise.

That's why no democrat voted for his confirmation and some believed he lied to the senate. That's sure is impeccable integrity !! Not showing up for a congressional over site hearing is also impeccable integrity !! Barr is a liar and a cheat following Trumpos lead. November can't come soon enough.

 

[D_NATURED]

If you knew anything about the evidence or the law, you'd know that Barr's Justice Dept professionals are correct.

Mueller knew almost from day one that Trump hadn't committed any crimes, yet tried to entrap Trump in a puffed up obstruction of justice charge.

But failed.

There are now three US Attorneys conducting three separate criminal investigations, and indictments are a virtual certainty, and not for chump change charges like tax evasion or a minor lie on a mortgage application or failing to register as a foreign lobbyist, comically common in the Beltway.

Liberals refuse to read anything outside their safe little Fake Reality Bubble, then chortle in ignorance at those who have actual knowledge.

Well, Mueller didn't even interview the main subjects of his investigation so his findings, or lack thereof, are laughably incomplete. That whole thing was a dog and pony show to COVER UP crimes, not establish justice. Trump got his fascist rubber stamp and continues his corruption unphased.

If you had one ounce of credibility, you'd see through this transparent act of INJUSTICE. This country is so ****ed and the repubs are like children who can only see the candy the man in the van is offering them, not the horror that awaits.