Harry Dunn death

[Infinite Chaos]

Harry Dunn was killed on August 27th, when his bike was hit by Anne Sacoolas whose Volvo had been travelling on the wrong side of the road for 400m after she left RAF Croughton. Harry was transported to hospital after the collision but died at John Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford.

Anne Sacoolas initially promised to co-operate with police but she left the country within 24hrs on a US transport despite her saying she would not leave the country.

Timeline of US diplomat scandal: How events have unfolded since tragic death of Northamptonshire's Harry Dunn - Northampton Chronicle and Echo

So now, the family have travelled to the US hoping to meet Mrs Sacoolas and resolve the matter. As she has left the country, she now no longer has diplomatic immunity.

So, how should the US deal with someone who killed another motorist in another country and fled that country?

 

[PeteEU]

She is most likely a spook and untouchable.

And what on earth is the point of going to the US... highly stupid and dangerous since the Trump administration is protecting this woman.

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[Trippy Trekker]

The laws pertaining to diplomatic immunity might very well protect Anne Sacoolas in evading criminal prosecution and civil liability.

I put very little faith in any foreign or domestic law enforcement, court or other government entity in taking meaningful steps to punish Anne Sacoolas or compensate Harry Dunn's family.

My sympathies lie with Harry Dunn's family. I have earnest disdain for Anne Sacoolas cowardice.

Harry Dunn's family has a lot to think about!

Anne Sacoolas Family: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I said it before and I'll say it again...if you see any vehicle with Consul or other diplomatic license plates or stickers of any kind, avoid that vehicle like the plague, and give it a very wide berth.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

This is a very interesting i-Team journalism piece on diplomatic drivers and why they are so dangerous.

WRC-TV Channel 4 - NBC - Washington DC

 

[Infinite Chaos]

~ if you see any vehicle with Consul or other diplomatic license plates or stickers of any kind~

In poor Harry's case, he saw the car too late if at all.

She is most likely a spook ~

Was... unless she changes her name.

 

[Chagos]

I voted the first option. As something the US SHOULD do, not what it's most likely going to do.

Apart from the US practically never turning over one of its citizens to any other country (cast in stone policy), extraditing her would set a dangerous precedent on the instrument of diplomatic immunity. No matter how much it was abused in this instance, if done away with retroactively it becomes meaningless for anybody else that it's been bestowed upon.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Well here's another "potential Harry Dunn death" situation.
What would happen if this driver had hit and killed someone?




According to ANG News, his response was
"**** America, I could kill you and get away with it."

 

[Drawdown]

The laws pertaining to diplomatic immunity might very well protect Anne Sacoolas in evading criminal prosecution and civil liability.

I put very little faith in any foreign or domestic law enforcement, court or other government entity in taking meaningful steps to punish Anne Sacoolas or compensate Harry Dunn's family.

My sympathies lie with Harry Dunn's family. I have earnest disdain for Anne Sacoolas cowardice.

Harry Dunn's family has a lot to think about!

Anne Sacoolas Family: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

more than 2/3rds the way to 75K pounds on go fund me is compensation.

There can be no "justice for Harry". The family just needs to move forward with their lives and not end up obsessed with something that is never going to happen.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

more than 2/3rds the way to 75K pounds on go fund me is compensation.

There can be no "justice for Harry". The family just needs to move forward with their lives and not end up obsessed with something that is never going to happen.

I have less cynicism and more faith than you. I consider 75,000 pounds a paltry amount.
By one means or another, I expect Harry’s heirs to receive compensation into the millions of dollars... and for the wayward driver to face karmic punishment.


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[Bum]

"Diplomatic immunity" was intended to prevent host nations from taking and using diplomats as a hostage or bargaining chip against the represented nation; it has now become systematically abused to avoid prosecution for crimes.

I think the US needs to waive her immunity and return her to the UK to face the courts and family of the dead young man.

Colombia waived immunity for a diplomat in 2002....the US can do it as well.

 

[Drawdown]

I have less cynicism and more faith than you. I consider 75,000 pounds a paltry amount.
By one means or another, I expect Harry’s heirs to receive compensation into the millions of dollars... and for the wayward driver to face karmic punishment.


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What you call faith, I call delusion. They can get whatever they can get through insurance or from the Motor Insurers’ Bureau but it won't be into the millions, it won't come from the driver, so there is no punishment there.

 

[Drawdown]

"Diplomatic immunity" was intended to prevent host nations from taking and using diplomats as a hostage or bargaining chip against the represented nation; it has now become systematically abused to avoid prosecution for crimes.

I think the US needs to waive her immunity and return her to the UK to face the courts and family of the dead young man.

Colombia waived immunity for a diplomat in 2002....the US can do it as well.

She has offered to meet with his family. The US is the one that decided to bring them home 3 weeks after the accident. She didn't flee the country as some would paint it.

 

[Trippy Trekker]

What you call faith, I call delusion. They can get whatever they can get through insurance or from the Motor Insurers’ Bureau but it won't be into the millions, it won't come from the driver, so there is no punishment there.

She has offered to meet with his family. The US is the one that decided to bring them home 3 weeks after the accident. She didn't flee the country as some would paint it.

I have mediation scheduled for mid-January regarding a motorcycle-related lawsuit filed in 2017. My real life experience trumps your notions of delusion.

Anne Sacoolas, based on the links provided in this thread, fled England.

Refer to the link in Original Post:

August 28
- Northamptonshire Police speak with Anne Sacoolas, 42, the wife of a US diplomat and a suspect in the crash.
- Mrs Sacoolas has diplomatic immunity. This means she cannot be arrested or prosecuted for any crime or civil case until it is waived by the US State Department.
- In later statements, Northamptonshire Police say Mrs Sacoolas "engaged fully" with officers, claimed she had "no plan" to leave the country.
- In later interviews, Harry's parents claim they Mrs Sacoolas had admitted fault at the scene and later to officers.
- Northamptonshire Police apply for a waiver for Mrs Sacoolas' diplomatic immunity.

 

[Outlook]

Harry Dunn was killed on August 27th, when his bike was hit by Anne Sacoolas whose Volvo had been travelling on the wrong side of the road for 400m after she left RAF Croughton. Harry was transported to hospital after the collision but died at John Radcliffe Infirmary in Oxford.

Anne Sacoolas initially promised to co-operate with police but she left the country within 24hrs on a US transport despite her saying she would not leave the country.

Timeline of US diplomat scandal: How events have unfolded since tragic death of Northamptonshire's Harry Dunn - Northampton Chronicle and Echo

So now, the family have travelled to the US hoping to meet Mrs Sacoolas and resolve the matter. As she has left the country, she now no longer has diplomatic immunity.

So, how should the US deal with someone who killed another motorist in another country and fled that country?

This could be a civil action versus a criminal action.
This is a vehicle versus bike accident that resulted in a fatality. It happens often in the US without criminal consequences.

 

[Drawdown]

I have mediation scheduled for mid-January regarding a motorcycle-related lawsuit filed in 2017. My real life experience trumps your notions of delusion.

Anne Sacoolas, based on the links provided in this thread, fled England.

Refer to the link in Original Post:

Good luck with the mediated millions, but I am guessing neither side in your lawsuit has diplomatic immunity and US courts would not have jurisdiction over the claim. The lady came back to the US when they were transferred back 3 weeks after the accident. Sensationalized claims by pearl clutchers does not change that when the US brings you home, you are not fleeing. You are following your assignment, or in her case, following her husband who was following his assignment.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Diplomatic immunity gets abused nowhere else to the extent it does in New York City by the United Nations delegations.

That said, if I were King, Anne Sacoolas would be escorted back to Britain by US Marshals and surrendered to the relevant authorities.

You don't get to kill someone (she was no doubt intoxicated) and then either claim DI or flee to avoid prosecution.

 

[Higgins86]

She has offered to meet with his family. The US is the one that decided to bring them home 3 weeks after the accident. She didn't flee the country as some would paint it.

That's incorrect, she left just hours after the accident after offering the police assurances that she would cooperate.

 

[Drawdown]

That's incorrect, she left just hours after the accident after offering the police assurances that she would cooperate.

That is incorrect. She was interviewed by Northampton police the following day at her house.

 

[Drawdown]

"Anne Sacoolas's statement went on: 'She and her family left the United Kingdom approximately three weeks after the accident, after they and the US authorities determined that it would be difficult for the couple and their children to remain in the small Croughton community under these tragic circumstances.

'She and her family returned home on a commercial flight. Our understanding is that the British authorities were informed and aware of their departure before they returned to the United States."

Diplomat's wife Anne Sacoolas apologises for fatal car crash | Daily Mail Online

 

[Infinite Chaos]

That is incorrect. She was interviewed by Northampton police the following day at her house.

"Anne Sacoolas's statement went on: 'She and her family left the United Kingdom approximately three weeks after the accident, after they and the US authorities determined that it would be difficult for the couple and their children to remain in the small Croughton community under these tragic circumstances.

'She and her family returned home on a commercial flight. Our understanding is that the British authorities were informed and aware of their departure before they returned to the United States."

Diplomat's wife Anne Sacoolas apologises for fatal car crash | Daily Mail Online

Whatever the background, she killed a young man and is not here to face justice. There are two basic reactions to something like this - you stay and atone for the wrong or you flee and hope to escape. We all know what she did and that choice has consequences for how she is perceived.

 

[Sven Karma]

Trump & Johnson, it's an irresistible combination: Trump says PM asked him to set up meeting with Harry Dunn family | US news | The Guardian

“That decision to make a right turn when you’re supposed to make a left turn when the roads are opposite and she said that’s what happened. It happens to a lot of people, by the way – but she said that’s what happened.

“She was in the room right out there – we met right here and I offered to bring the person in question in and they weren’t ready for it – I did offer.

“Boris, he asked me if I’d do that and I did it."

 

[Rogue Valley]

U.S. security chief 'heaped pain' on grieving parents of UK teen: lawyer

10/16/19
LONDON (Reuters) - Donald Trump’s national security adviser heaped pain and grief on the parents of a British teenager killed in a car crash by trying to hold a meeting at the White House between them and a U.S. diplomat’s wife who was involved, the parents’ lawyer said. Charlotte Charles and Tim Dunn were invited to a surprise meeting with the U.S. president at his office on Tuesday where they were further shocked to learn that Anne Sacoolas, the American woman involved in the fatal crash, was in the building. Mark Stephens, the lawyer for Charles and Dunn, said national security adviser Robert O’Brien had the idea of overseeing a coming together of the families before they would then hug in front of an assembled media. “(O’Brien has) heaped grief and pain on the family by making them go through this but not allowing them to get the closure they need by talking to Mrs Sacoolas before they can go onto the grieving stage,” Stephens told BBC radio on Wednesday. Harry Dunn, 19, died after a car driven by Sacoolas collided with his motorbike near RAF Croughton, an air force base in Northamptonshire in central England used by the U.S. military. His parents want Sacoolas, who left Britain under a disputed claim of diplomatic immunity, to return to England to speak to the police. Through her lawyers, Sacoolas has said she is “devastated” and is willing to meet Dunn’s family.

Dunn’s parents said Trump had been responsive at their meeting but the planned encounter with Sacoolas had come as a bombshell. “He said he was sorry about Harry and then he sprung the surprise that Mrs Sacoolas was in another room in the building and whether we want to meet her there and then,” Tim Dunn said. “We said no because as we’ve been saying from the start we want to meet Mrs Sacoolas but we want to do it in the UK so the police can interview her. We didn’t want to be sort of railroaded, not into a circus as such, but a meeting we weren’t prepared for.” While Trump and O’Brien had ruled out Sacoolas returning to Britain, Charles said Trump had taken her hand and promised to try to look at the issue from another angle. Stephens said that offer had left open the opportunity for a political solution. “We have said for a long time the family needs to meet, they need to meet in private, away from the media and not curated by politicians, spies or indeed lawyers,” he said. “Most sensible folk and not a nincompoop in a hurry would understand that.”

Trump tried to spring a trap for a PR moment with cameras clicking I bet. I'm glad the Dunn's refused.

 

[Drawdown]

U.S. security chief 'heaped pain' on grieving parents of UK teen: lawyer



Trump tried to spring a trap for a PR moment with cameras clicking I bet. I'm glad the Dunn's refused.

They refused because "We said no because as we’ve been saying from the start we want to meet Mrs Sacoolas but we want to do it in the UK so the police can interview her." What Trump did was really no different than Obama's beer summit. The police have already interviewed the driver. They did it the day after the accident. They just think they can trick her back to the UK under some theory that her diplomatic immunity has lapsed and now she can be arrested.

 

[Rogue Valley]

They refused because "We said no because as we’ve been saying from the start we want to meet Mrs Sacoolas but we want to do it in the UK so the police can interview her." What Trump did was really no different than Obama's beer summit. The police have already interviewed the driver. They did it the day after the accident. They just think they can trick her back to the UK under some theory that her diplomatic immunity has lapsed and now she can be arrested.

Always and always have to toss in an Obama reference.

Poor sauce.