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Hamas... Some animals are more equal than others.

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oneworld2 said:
This is a Hamas is corrupt thread but bury your head in the sand that everyone elses elites are also corrupt

The reason that Hamas were originally voted in during elections in Gaza was , in no small part , because the Palestinians there were completely fed up with the corruption of the PA. But we are advised by the likes of yourself that this should be ignored. Same with the elites in the US , Israel, EU, Gulf states , which are all major players in the conflict hence their inclusion.

That you demand that this not be brought up as a relevant point just exposes the complete bias and closed mindedness of your approach to everything about this subject as if that were not already glaringly obvious

You can bury your head in the sand if you need to but what you cannot do is demand that others must follow suit
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k so I read through and was trying very much to ignore.

But the repeated attempts to leverage lefty delusions about corruption in western countries as somehow being even remotely similar in scale, scope or effect to what is going on in the PA and Hamas is just another one of the little millions of so delusionally out of touch reference points that the radical left has internalized that makes all of their analyses and prognostications meaningless.

So yeah, pretend that corruption in the PA and Hamas is the same as "Israeli elites" and the Canadians or whatever functional democracy you like. As with so many other silly false equivalencies, it just makes it easier for everyone else to recognize the rest of what you say meaningless.

That's it from me, so you go have fun.
 
Fledermaus said:
This is a HAMAS thread. Your Whataboutism is rejected.
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And your highly selected viewing and willful ignorance of the actions of others involved in the conflict is just the bigoted way to view things and is likewise rejected here

What now ?
 
CJ 2.0 said:
k so I read through and was trying very much to ignore.

But the repeated attempts to leverage lefty delusions about corruption in western countries as somehow being even remotely similar in scale, scope or effect to what is going on in the PA and Hamas is just another one of the little millions of so delusionally out of touch reference points that the radical left has internalized that makes all of their analyses and prognostications meaningless.

So yeah, pretend that corruption in the PA and Hamas is the same as "Israeli elites" and the Canadians or whatever functional democracy you like. As with so many other silly false equivalencies, it just makes it easier for everyone else to recognize the rest of what you say meaningless.

That's it from me, so you go have fun.
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Oh I accept the scale of Palestinian corruption is on a different level to that of your beloved " western democracies " seeing as it is much more localized and thus a whole lot less damaging than the corruption of the West which is global in scale
 
oneworld2 said:
And your highly selected viewing and willful ignorance of the actions of others involved in the conflict is just the bigoted way to view things and is likewise rejected here

What now ?
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You can leave the thread if you intend to derail.

This thread is about Hamas corruption.
 
oneworld2 said:
Oh I accept the scale of Palestinian corruption is on a different level to that of your beloved " western democracies " seeing as it is much more localized and thus a whole lot less damaging than the corruption of the West which is global in scale
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The concept of Baksheesh is virtually "baked in" in to dealings in the Middle East. Except for Israel where is has practically disappeared.

It has been brought to your attention that aid to Gaza has been stopped due to Hamas corruption and construction in Gaza limited due to Hamas corruption.... And it isn't "localized". It is widespread.

And still you want to cry about "Western Democracies".

Simply Whataboutism intended to lead away form uncomfortable truths.
 
Fledermaus said:
You can leave the thread if you intend to derail.

This thread is about Hamas corruption.
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I read it as a thread about people involved in the conflict being corrupt and see the singling out of Hamas and the willful ignorance to acknowledge the corruption in all the other parties as an exercise is narrowmindedness that is detrimental to the debate

So far you have only dared to mention Palestinian corruption in an obvious attempt to demonize them as a group whilst ignoring or trying to censor the very relevant subject of corruption in the other actors involved in this conflict
 
oneworld2 said:
Oh I accept the scale of Palestinian corruption is on a different level to that of your beloved " western democracies " seeing as it is much more localized and thus a whole lot less damaging than the corruption of the West which is global in scale
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Yes, MY beloved western democracies.

Don't suppose you have heard the Passover story of the man and his four sons? Never really liked it myself, but I definitely get it.

You are also of course once again totally wrong in your assessment and understanding of western institutions, but I wouldn't expect anything less.
 
oneworld2 said:
I read it as a thread about people involved in the conflict being corrupt and see the singling out of Hamas and the willful ignorance to acknowledge the corruption in all the other parties as an exercise is narrowmindedness that is detrimental to the debate

So far you have only dared to mention Palestinian corruption in an obvious attempt to demonize them as a group whilst ignoring or trying to censor the very relevant subject of corruption in the other actors involved in this conflict
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What you see is commonly called a mirage....

Hamas... Some animals are more equal than others.

It is very clear to others what the subject is.

If you feel censored you can test this by opening your own thread on the entity of your choice......
 
oneworld2 said:
What about all of the others mentioned as corrupt ?

Are the PA corrupt ?

Are any Israeli movers and shakers corrupt ?

Or Egyptians, Russians , Americans , Brits etc etc ?

Context matters even if it goes against your agenda here , answer the questions honestly :)
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This thread is about Hamas. No one else.
 
Fledermaus said:
What you see is commonly called a mirage....

Hamas... Some animals are more equal than others.

It is very clear to others what the subject is.

If you feel censored you can test this by opening your own thread on the entity of your choice......
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What I see is people wishing to demonize the Palestinians whilst wanting/demanding silence on the negative traits of the other actors involved in this conflict. Corruption in political circles is not the unique privilege of Palestinians, it's a human thing and as such is found in the political lives of all the other parties involved....a fact but a fact you don't want to see being spoken about because it undermines your attempt to demonize your targted group

You know it and I know it and if the mods here wish to support you on this they are free to engage anytime they wish
 
OldFatGuy said:
This thread is about Hamas. No one else.
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This thread, like most of the other concocted by this member , is aimed at the demonization of Palestinians, so I understand why you have come down on that side too
 
CJ 2.0 said:
Yes, MY beloved western democracies.

Don't suppose you have heard the Passover story of the man and his four sons? Never really liked it myself, but I definitely get it.

You are also of course once again totally wrong in your assessment and understanding of western institutions, but I wouldn't expect anything less.
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I am right about the corruption within and the corrupting meddling of the Western democracies ( who support democracy only if it is in their own interests btw ) on a global scale. That you are unable to critical think for yourself , a testimony to your own conditioning , and see such an obvious situation is likewise expected by this poster
 
oneworld2 said:
What I see is people wishing to demonize the Palestinians whilst wanting/demanding silence on the negative traits of the other actors involved in this conflict. Corruption in political circles is not the unique privilege of Palestinians, it's a human thing and as such is found in the political lives of all the other parties involved....a fact but a fact you don't want to see being spoken about because it undermines your attempt to demonize your targted group

You know it and I know it and if the mods here wish to support you on this they are free to engage anytime they wish
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And more typing that has nothing to do with the subject.
 
oneworld2 said:
This thread, like most of the other concocted by this member , is aimed at the demonization of Palestinians, so I understand why you have come down on that side too
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Start your own thread on the corruption endemic to the Belizians, or the Botswanis, or the Outer Mongolians....

No one is stopping you.
 
oneworld2 said:
This thread, like most of the other concocted by this member , is aimed at the demonization of Palestinians, so I understand why you have come down on that side too
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This thread is about how Hamas has demonized itself. Do you understand you are part of that process?

An Egyptian con man, Yassir Arafat, an undesirable of Egypt, assembled Syrian and Egyptian day laborers who fled the mandate with promises from Arab leaders they could return after the Jews were driven into the sea, and created a "Palestinian" people. A people with no heritage, no past, no culture of their own, no language of their own, etc., etc., etc. In the process he lived a life of luxury while his followers starved in refugee camps, joined by other discards from Syria and Egypt. Neither nation wanted them back. He and his European wife enriched themselves with money meant for his followers. Money in secret European banking accounts, where today his children and grandchildren live in luxury. A path followed by Hamas leadership. Die for what doesn't exist they say, as they hide in bunkers, living in luxury, sending their children to elite European schools, ever richer, ever fatter. Kill and die, kill and die, but not me or mine is their hypocrisy.

"Fools believe false prophets. We live in a world of endless fools." Scheherazade
 
Fledermaus said:
Telling the Truth = Demonizing

What does that say about Hamas?
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Telling the truth about the corruption within one faction ( or two , so long as they are Palestinian ) whilst remaining silent/denying the corruption within the elites of the other actors in this conflict IS demonizing the targeted group.....Palestinians

It says Hamas is just like all of the other groups involved in the conflict when it comes to being corrupt.

Your terror of such an obvious truth being brought into the debate here says a lot about you
 
oneworld2 said:
Telling the truth about the corruption within one faction ( or two , so long as they are Palestinian ) whilst remaining silent/denying the corruption within the elites of the other actors in this conflict IS demonizing the targeted group.....Palestinians

It says Hamas is just like all of the other groups involved in the conflict when it comes to being corrupt.

Your terror of such an obvious truth being brought into the debate here says a lot about you
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Again.

I'll keep it simple.

You are free to open a thread for any other entity whose corruption you wish to discuss.

Lay on MacDuff.

Feel free to compare the systemic corruption of any "Western" nation (to use your words) to Hamas.... I am sure you can find plenty that match Hamas in Baksheesh....

But that isn't happening here.

Cry more if you wish.
 
OldFatGuy said:
This thread is about how Hamas has demonized itself. Do you understand you are part of that process?

An Egyptian con man, Yassir Arafat, an undesirable of Egypt, assembled Syrian and Egyptian day laborers who fled the mandate with promises from Arab leaders they could return after the Jews were driven into the sea, and created a "Palestinian" people. A people with no heritage, no past, no culture of their own, no language of their own, etc., etc., etc. In the process he lived a life of luxury while his followers starved in refugee camps, joined by other discards from Syria and Egypt. Neither nation wanted them back. He and his European wife enriched themselves with money meant for his followers. Money in secret European banking accounts, where today his children and grandchildren live in luxury. A path followed by Hamas leadership. Die for what doesn't exist they say, as they hide in bunkers, living in luxury, sending their children to elite European schools, ever richer, ever fatter. Kill and die, kill and die, but not me or mine is their hypocrisy.

"Fools believe false prophets. We live in a world of endless fools." Scheherazade
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Your Joan Peters Mandate history is noted and laughed at

Your denial of the Palestinians is noted and , likewise , laughed at

Your silence on the fact that corruption is a human trait and as such is found everywhere and anywhere is also laughed at
 
oneworld2 said:
Your Joan Peters Mandate history is noted and laughed at

Your denial of the Palestinians is noted and , likewise , laughed at

Your silence on the fact that corruption is a human trait and as such is found everywhere and anywhere is also laughed at
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What "denial of Palestinians" are you talking about?

What was said that is not true?
 
oneworld2 said:
Your Joan Peters Mandate history is noted and laughed at

Your denial of the Palestinians is noted and , likewise , laughed at

Your silence on the fact that corruption is a human trait and as such is found everywhere and anywhere is also laughed at
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Your BS is laughed at.
 
Fledermaus said:
Son of Hamas founder brands movement ‘racist terror organisation’ that lives luxury lifestyle while Palestinian people suffer

The son of one of Hamas' founders has caused an uproar in Palestinian society recently by speaking out against the militant Islamist movement he grew up in, calling it a "racist terror organisation that is dangerous for the Palestinian people."

In an interview with an Israeli news channel aired Wednesday night, Suheib Yousef, 38, son of Hamas co-founder Sheikh Hassan Yousef, told journalist Ohad Hemo of his disillusionment with the group's rampant corruption and disappointment with leaders living opulent lifestyles abroad while the people in Gaza continued to suffer in abject poverty.


Son of Hamas founder brands movement ‘racist terror organisation’ that lives luxury lifestyle while Palestinian people suffer | The Independent
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Hamas kills his own people, they don't care about their people. Nothing new here, the Gazans lives were much better before hamas terroritsts took over Gaza.
 
NO1 said:
Hamas kills his own people, they don't care about their people. Nothing new here, the Gazans lives were much better before hamas terroritsts took over Gaza.
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Hamas steals building supplies to build terror tunnels and then the Palestinians cry that there are no building supplies to rebuilt homes and infrastructure.
 
oneworld2 said:
I am right about the corruption within and the corrupting meddling of the Western democracies ( who support democracy only if it is in their own interests btw ) on a global scale. That you are unable to critical think for yourself , a testimony to your own conditioning , and see such an obvious situation is likewise expected by this poster
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Amazing how the more progressive a leftist, the more views on issues all the way up and down the gauntlet are homogenized even though the issues have little if anything to do with each other.

Funny how that works.

Edit: got to say, I’m really digging your post a lot. The lack of awareness in it is practically art.


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