Gun in Home Kills Loved ones and Owner

[jaeger19]

30 years ago, when most people did not have guns, one could smooth these things over. Now? Boom!

Whoa there skippy...thirty years ago the percentage of folks that had firearms was about the same.. or perhaps higher than now.

 

[jaeger19]

I don't think that anybody is legally allowed to own a semi-auto here... at least for the last thirty years or so.

Actually semi automatic firearms like the AR 15 were legal in NZ up until the last year when the fellow shot up the mosque

 

[Lursa]

I don't think that anybody is legally allowed to own a semi-auto here... at least for the last thirty years or so.

I dont remember the details...how did the shooter a few months ago get one?

And you cant own semi-auto pistols at all either?

 

[Lursa]

Actually semi automatic firearms like the AR 15 were legal in NZ up until the last year when the fellow shot up the mosque

That's what I thought. But I didnt see what actions the govt took after that, just that they were committed to some kind of action.

 

[marke]

In this case, 3 kids under ten, a twenty nine year old wife and the scumbag husband who shot them all. One child, a sixth victim, is in surgery.

5 dead, including three boys under 10, after shooting at San Diego home | Fox News

Shakes head at another senseless slew of deaths brought about by our gun-obsession, which has clearly reached epidemic proportions.

Let's stop and think. What caused this?

1. Gun laws already in force?
2. Gun laws not yet in force?
3. Gun manufacturers?
4. The NRA?
5. Republicans?
6. The Constitution?
7. Bad indoctrination causing disbelief in God and the consequences of sin?
8. The ACLU?
9. Hunters?
10. Gun store owners?
11. Hatred?
12. The death penalty?
13. Anger?
14. Ungodliness?

 

[Bodi]

Actually semi automatic firearms like the AR 15 were legal in NZ up until the last year when the fellow shot up the mosque

Pretty sure he modified legal weapons to automatic and used non-legal big clip magazines...

 

[Bodi]

I dont remember the details...how did the shooter a few months ago get one?

And you cant own semi-auto pistols at all either?

I think that pistols are the hardest thing to get here... guns will probably be very difficult to have and to keep here pretty soon, and that is fine.

 

[mrjurrs]

another thread trying to smear gun owners with these incidents. Californian laws are a wet dream for gun haters. No private sales, waiting periods to buy handguns, magazine limits, bans on normal capacity magazines, and almost impossible to get CCW permits in the big cities. So why didn't all those laws you want to impose on the rest of the USA work?

Does Calamity know if the shooter-who committed suicide-owned the gun legally?

Does it matter? He walked right through the restraining order and murdered his family. He could have been a law abiding citizen right up until the restraining order was breached.

 

[mrjurrs]

The couple was going through a bitter divorce.
We don't have the husband/father's/killer's name yet so hard to say anything about this crazy man at all.

Here is one thing we can say...The outcome would have been different if he didn't have a gun.

 

[Premium Paper]

No, I really don't. You see, here is another concept you are obviously unfamiliar with, I have the right to free speech and you do not get to dictate what I say or don't say. Once again your fascist dream falls to ash.

You indeed have the right to free speech, and nobody gets to dictate your speech. Yet your replies with ad-hominems isn't conducive to civil, coherent debate. You aren't going to persuade people through debate if you're acting juvenile, and cursing out those who debate you will only make them double down on their beliefs. You're making conservatives look bad.

 

[mrjurrs]

They're the weapon of choice because they're available. If they were not, people would use something else to murder their families.

Not as easily.

 

[TurtleDude]

Does it matter? He walked right through the restraining order and murdered his family. He could have been a law abiding citizen right up until the restraining order was breached.

and tell us what laws are going to stop someone when a law against murder did not? if someone is willing to kill themselves, what will stop them from carrying out their kamikaze mission OTHER THAN the intended victim killing the attacker before he carries out his mission

1) threat of punishment? NO

2) drying up the supply of guns-NO, the war on drugs has proven that doesn't work

So tell us, what law would have stopped that guy?

 

[TurtleDude]

Here is one thing we can say...The outcome would have been different if he didn't have a gun.

but what law passed in the last century would have changed that?

what also would have changed things is if the primary victim had a gun too

 

[trixare4kids]

Does it matter? He walked right through the restraining order and murdered his family. He could have been a law abiding citizen right up until the restraining order was breached.

According to news accounts, nobody is sure if he had been served with the restraining order at the time of the murders/suicide.
We only know that his estranged wife obtained the order the day before. The murders took place in her home.

 

[mrjurrs]

and tell us what laws are going to stop someone when a law against murder did not? if someone is willing to kill themselves, what will stop them from carrying out their kamikaze mission OTHER THAN the intended victim killing the attacker before he carries out his mission

1) threat of punishment? NO

2) drying up the supply of guns-NO, the war on drugs has proven that doesn't work

So tell us, what law would have stopped that guy?

Oh no, nothing will work...So we should do nothing and just be satisfied with our current situation. "we are helpless in the face of a problem unique to our country"

 

[mrjurrs]

According to news accounts, nobody is sure if he had been served with the restraining order at the time of the murders/suicide.
We only know that she obtained the order the day before.

Does it make any difference, like he may not have done it if he knew their was a restraining order?

 

[trixare4kids]

Here is one thing we can say...The outcome would have been different if he didn't have a gun.

He was mentally unstable and agree, he should not have had a gun but how would that have stopped this murder? Take away his gun, he'll find another to replace it with. We don't infringe on the weapon rights of the law-abiding because of some suicidal homicidal maniac.

 

[mrjurrs]

He was mentally unstable and agree, he should not have had a gun but how would that have stopped this murder? Take away his gun, he'll find another to replace it with. We don't infringe on the weapon rights of the law-abiding because of some suicidal homicidal maniac.

We should. Law abiding gun owners are only that until they commit a crime.

 

[trixare4kids]

Does it make any difference, like he may not have done it if he knew their was a restraining order?

I agree, I was just telling you what I read.
The only way to have stopped this senseless murder rampage was if his ex-wife had a gun to defend herself. She called the police when he wouldn't leave her house, and they were of no help.

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh no, nothing will work...So we should do nothing and just be satisfied with our current situation. "we are helpless in the face of a problem unique to our country"

we already do plenty and spend billions on police and the court system

using these tragedies in order to justify harassing millions of gun owners just so you can pretend you did something that

1) won't help

2) but will harass people who don't think like you

causes even more problems than not doing it

 

[trixare4kids]

We should. Law abiding gun owners are only that until they commit a crime.

In what country do you live?

 

[TurtleDude]

We should. Law abiding gun owners are only that until they commit a crime.

great idea-turn 100 million gun owners into armed criminals who now are angry at people who want to jail them. Sounds like a wonderful idea for a civil war

 

[mrjurrs]

I agree, I was just telling you what I read.
The only way to have stopped this senseless murder rampage was if his ex-wife had a gun to defend herself. She called the police when he wouldn't leave her house, and they were of no help.

Big problem with your protection idea, having a gun in the house increases the chances that the gun will be used on them, not them using it on a bad guy.

 

[TurtleDude]

In what country do you live?

exactly, the fascism is strong with the gun banners. And their pretense of "public safety" is purely a joke. Its harassing people who have a political view and culture that the collectivist authoritarians hate, is the obvious motivation behind their gun confiscation or banning schemes

 

[mrjurrs]

we already do plenty and spend billions on police and the court system

using these tragedies in order to justify harassing millions of gun owners just so you can pretend you did something that

1) won't help

2) but will harass people who don't think like you

causes even more problems than not doing it

Circular logic, you can't know it will cause more problems without trying it first. Let's try a different tack.