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Gun control sure works NOT

RaleBulgarian said:
Not sure how the apprehension of an infamous hit man has anything to do with gun control. Granted, most hit men probably do obtain their firearms illegally, but you’re kinda stretching the argument here.
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Would you think it would be easy to obtain a gun illegally in a country that has hundreds of millions of them?
 
bongsaway said:
False. There are roughly fifty to sixty gun deaths a year in the u.k. Conversely in america we have one hundred and sixty times the gun deaths that the u.k. has. Tell Japan, Australia and Norway nothing can be done and see if they agree. Gun control does work, it's the gun owners who disagree.
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Australia, Norway and Japan have a very homogenous culture. You don't think that plays any role what so ever? The United States has enormous amount of criminal gangs. That doesn't contribute one bit?

Gun control won't work here it doesn't the United States is not the same as Japan or Norway.
 
TurtleDude said:
one of his first posts on DP was calling guns "penis extensions" or something to that effect.
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That one always perplexed me. Like the guy with the sports car or the big truck is just compensating for a small penis. Who thought this was clever? Why is everybody such a size queen?
 
The US has a firearm homicide about every 54 minutes.
 
DebateChallenge said:
No it doesn't. The truth is that more gun laws do not stop shootings and do not stop crime, that doesn't hurt me.
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That is because we have no national laws of consequence. You can't have 50 different sets of regulations and different city and town ordinances within that and have anything but the mess we have.
 
Rucker61 said:
"Gun control" is too broad of a term to have any meaning without details. Most gun owners do disagree with unconstitutional, ineffective, and unenforceable gun control.
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So they want to see the 2nd amendment repealed so that gun control is both constitutional, effective and enforceable.
 
Rich2018 said:
So they want to see the 2nd amendment repealed so that gun control is both constitutional, effective and enforceable.
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In all the history of the country nobody has ever voted in legislators and state government to amend the second amendment.

I wish you luck.
 
CaughtInThe said:
The US has a firearm homicide about every 54 minutes.
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Thanks for pointing that out. Its a damn shame that rat liberals have created such cesspools in the major cities. But thats what happens when you put rats in charge of your local governments...they breed ****holes that become havens for violent criminals. And whats REALLY sad is the victims in the vast majority of those murders are black Americans...but when it comes to actually doing something about the problem, all idiot leftists want to do is shriek about gun control tactics that have PROVEN to fail to stop violent crime. Because idiot leftists dont REALLY care about death, or violent crime, or the victims of violent crime...they just care about their cause of ultimately banning guns.
 
Rich2018 said:
So they want to see the 2nd amendment repealed so that gun control is both constitutional, effective and enforceable.
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Leftist liberal Hitlerites and Stalinites want Americans disarmed. God bless American patriots have no intention of allowing anti-American bozos take their guns away.
 
Xelor said:
Brief History of Gun Laws in the UK
  • 1700s and before (includes discussion of non-gun weapons)
  • 1903 Pistols Act
    • Forbade pistol sales to minors and felons
    • Required one have a gun license to buy firearms they intended to carry outside their home
  • 1920 Firearms Act
    • Britons could only buy guns if they had a "good reason" for owning one.
    • Certificate system (extant even today) initiated.
  • 1936 Firearms Act, amended again in 1937
    • Short barrelled shotguns and fully automatic firearms outlawed
    • Safe storage requirement enacted (current status)
  • 1946 -- Self-defense no longer recognized as good reason for owning firearms
  • 1988 Firearms Act -- updates catalyzed by Hungerford shooting
    • Semi-automatic centerfire rifles banned
    • Pump-action rifles banned
    • Shotguns that can hold more than two shells at once require a Firearms Certificate
    • Applicants for a Shotgun Certificate required to show they have a "good reason" for owing a shotgun
      • Active members of shooting clubs, recreational hunters, and pest control in a farming context are deemed good reasons
  • 1997 --> Dunblane happened and it seems folks here are familiar with the terms of that update to the Firearms Act, so I won't repeat it.

A big cultural gap exists between how Britons respond to gun violence and how Americans do. Britons upon a big gun violence event's occurrence act; they don't wait for another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, etc. to happen before they take legislative action to try to attenuate the incidence of such violence. Too, though 19th century Brits and Americans seemed to be of similar minds about gun use/possession, sometime between then and the late 20th century (to the present) people's attitudes seem to have diverged.

To wit, from what I've found, the UK had a mass shooting in 1987 and another in 1996. In contrast, I don't know how far back one must go to find a ten-year span in the US that had only two or fewer mass shootings. I know between January 1, 2013 to February 15, 2018 there were, on average, a mass shooting on nine of every ten days. When scads of people are getting involuntarily shot and killed or injured that frequently, there's not much I'd be unwilling to try in order to attenuate the incidence of the involuntary gun deaths and injuries.
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You missed the 1968 firearms act. Up to 1968 you could legally own a fully automatic firearm:



Firearms Act 1968
The Firearms Act 1968 brought together all existing firearms legislation in a single statute. Disregarding minor changes, it formed the legal basis for British firearms control policy until the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 was put through Parliament in the aftermath of the 1987 Hungerford massacre. For the first time, it introduced controls for long-barrelled shotguns, in the form of Shotgun Certificates that, like Firearm Certificates, were issued by an area's chief constable in England, Scotland, and Wales. While applicants for Firearms Certificates had to show a good reason for possessing the firearm or ammunition, it did not apply to Shotgun Certificates. Firearms and ammunition had to be kept locked up in a secure place approved by the local police firearms officer.

The Act also prohibited the possession of firearms or ammunition by criminals who had been sentenced to imprisonment; those sentenced to three months to three years imprisonment were banned from possessing firearms or ammunition for five years, while those sentenced to longer terms were banned for life. However, an application could be made to have the prohibition removed
 
marke said:
Leftist liberal Hitlerites and Stalinites want Americans disarmed. God bless American patriots have no intention of allowing anti-American bozos take their guns away.
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What do right wing fascists, Nazis and the KKK want ?

What do you think Dylann Roofe wants ?

What do you think Stephen Paddock supported before he shot himself ?


Next you'll be saying that Atheists and the LGBT movement support gun control.

You'll be saying that supporters of abortion and same sex marriages support gun control.



Have you prayed to God for advise on this ? What did Jesus say ?


"You cannot be both a Christian and participate in a gun culture, according to James E. Atwood, pastor emeritus of the Trinity Presbyterian Church in Arlington, Va., and author of "America and Its Guns: A Theological Expose."

Atwood is one of many Christian authors and theologians who have become increasingly vocal in their advocacy of gun control in light of mass shootings that have become a regular occurrence in our nation.

Elicka Sparks, a criminologist at Appalachian State University and the author of "The Devil You Know:The Surprising Link between Conservative Christianity and Crime," goes so far as to link high crime rates in the United States to conservative Christian social mores and attitudes about guns...."



https://www.desmoinesregister.com/s...018/02/20/what-would-jesus-do-guns/354271002/



Go ask your pastor.
 
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CLAX1911 said:
So do you think if people aquired guns illegally that would stop?
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I don't think there is any solution to our gun problem. We will continue to kill each other.
 
Rich2018 said:
...and a mass shooting at a rate of almost one per day.
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Which doesn't even count the TWO people that get blown away per incident multiple times per day. It has to be 3 or 4 before they consider it a mass shooting. Nor does it include all the people wounded in shootings. No one ever talks about that.
 
CLAX1911 said:
We don't have a gun problem we have a violence problem. And there is a solution, it's just not easy.
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Oh, there is a gun problem (we have more guns than people) and those guns are used in a firearm homicide about every 54 minutes.

There is no solution.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Would you think it would be easy to obtain a gun illegally in a country that has hundreds of millions of them?
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I’m not arguing OP’s point. Just saying he could have chosen a better reference to support his assertion.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Which doesn't even count the TWO people that get blown away per incident multiple times per day. It has to be 3 or 4 before they consider it a mass shooting. Nor does it include all the people wounded in shootings. No one ever talks about that.
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No mass murder does not include double homicide it has to be 3 or more. And it doesn't include non leathal shootings.
 
CaughtInThe said:
I don't think there is any solution to our gun problem. We will continue to kill each other.
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I COMPLETELY disagree. If we implement the same law that made Japan safe, we would absolutely see a reduction in crime.

No...it wasnt the gun bans. It was the imposition of massive prison sentences for anyone using a firearm in the commission of a violent crime and then their version of our RICO statutes that attached guilt to anyone connected to the criminal enterprise which resulted in them going to prison for the same amount of time as the perpetrators that made the difference in Japan.

We need mandatory minimum prison sentences for ANYONE that willfully uses a weapon in the commission of a violent crime. 40 years plus the original sentence...minimum. Lock up enough perpetrators...watch the violent crime rate plummet.
 
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