Guess who said it: Tucker Carlson or a far-right shooter

[ocean515]

I was trying to decide if this post is just dripping with disingenuity, or just remarkably idiotic. Then I realized or was both! Congratulations, a twofer. Now, if you habe nothing to contribute, please go here: 8chan.

One of the primary methods peddlers of propaganda and rhetoric require, is the elimination of context to further their messaging and objective.

Most rational thinking people are capable of identifying when that type of propaganda is being promoted.

The article in the OP is a perfect example of that type of propaganda.

Context:

Tucker Carlson Hits Back on Diversity Monologue Backlash: "Not About Race," "They're Trying To Silence Us" | Video | RealClearPolitics

 

[ttwtt78640]

Here I really have to take issue with your statement. Is murder ever a "rational" action? I would submit, no. Yet people are prosecuted every day for committing the act, whatever their motivation. Only in very rare circumstances is someone acquitted "by reason of insanity", and this would not be one of them. Was the act carefully planned? Yes. Malice aforethought. Did the perpetrator know right from wrong? Yes. Not insane. Motive is, therefore entirely relevant, particularly, as here, the motivation is terror and racial/ethnic animus. I would venture to say that you would not use the dame standard when discussing an Islamic terrorist's murder spree. So, pray tell, what is the difference?

Criminal intent need not be considered rational. The only reason (need?) for establishing "hate crime" or "terrorist" intent is for purposes of sentence enhancement. Since mass murder is already a capital offense it is simply an exercise in time wasting to concentrate efforts on enhancing the possible death sentence.

 

[Obscurity]

Maybe you should point out in what way his analysis is incorrect. Its easier for you to just smear the guy, I get that. Thats why you do it.

Because it sees division. Weve been multicultural for some time, but it becomes problematic when the dominant ethnicity feels threatened by the minority ethnicity. As long as the minority plays by the rules of the whites then everything is kosher. Second they kneel at a flag, however.

Tucker is a loser and promotes idiocy. It's fair to ask questions about diversity and how you make it work. It's unfair and disingenuous to insinuate it cant work, and through the phrasing of your questions, to insinuate it shouldn't work.

The party of extinction is absolutely showing its nihilistic face lately.

 

[NWRatCon]

You tell us, since it seems to be your assertion that Tucker Carlson fits that definition.

Wow. That statement is probably the height of hypocrisy. You are the one who made the assertion. Shall I have the court reporter read back your statement?

It is simply nonsense to even try to equate Tucker Carlson to a "crime boss".

I submit, if one cannot define a term, one can't make a claim it is inaccurate. Pretty simple, no?

 

[NWRatCon]

Criminal intent need not be considered rational. The only reason (need?) for establishing "hate crime" or "terrorist" intent is for purposes of sentence enhancement. Since mass murder is already a capital offense it is simply an exercise in time wasting to concentrate efforts on enhancing the possible death sentence.

Note: <duck, weave, fail to respond> I guess that means you don't ever complain about "Islamic terrorism"... <reviewing previous threads for consistency...>

I submit that you can't even be consistent from one post to the next.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Wow. That statement is probably the height of hypocrisy. You are the one who made the assertion. Shall I have the court reporter read back your statement?I submit, if one cannot define a term, one can't make a claim it is inaccurate. Pretty simple, no?

OK, what criminal orgaization is Tucker Carlson the head of?

crime boss | Definition of crime boss in English by Lexico Dictionaries

 

[NWRatCon]

I had the opportunity the other day to meet with another poster and friend for breakfast. He made the point in our conversation that "racists do not get to define themselves." It is always others who determine whether someone's statements or actions demonstrate racism. I thought it a profound observation. It applies here. By his words, Tucker Carlson defines himself as a racist. It doesn't matter his intent (as our friend, ttwtt78640, asserts). It is his behavior and words that define him.

The point of the OP is that the thought process, and its expression, is poisonous. He has a platform to broadcast it and spread his bile. I do not begrudge him the right to express it, but I will not excuse it either, or its effects.

 

[NWRatCon]

OK, what criminal orgaization is Tucker Carlson the head of?

crime boss | Definition of crime boss in English by Lexico Dictionaries

Cute. Circularity. Try this:

Organized crime is a category of transnational, national, or local groupings of highly centralized enterprises run by criminals who intend to engage in illegal activity, most commonly for profit. Some criminal organizations, such as terrorist groups, are politically motivated... A criminal organization or gang can also be referred to as a mafia, mob, ring, or syndicate; the network, subculture and community of criminals may be referred to as the underworld." Wikipedia. [Note: FOX News is referred to as a syndicate or network]. Now, what might be the criminality? Discrimination. Yes,

Federal laws prohibit discrimination based on a person's national origin, race, color, religion, disability, sex, and familial status. Laws prohibiting national origin discrimination make it illegal to discriminate because of a person's birthplace, ancestry, culture or language. This means people cannot be denied equal opportunity because they or their family are from another country, because they have a name or accent associated with a national origin group, because they participate in certain customs associated with a national origin group, or because they are married to or associate with people of a certain national origin.

FEDERAL PROTECTIONS AGAINST NATIONAL ORIGIN DISCRIMINATION (Department of Justice) "The Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division prosecutes people who are accused of using force or violence to interfere with a person's federally protected rights because of that person's national origin."

Am I accusing Tucker Carlson of engaging in violence directly? No. But, as the original poster noted, crime bosses rarely get their hands dirty with the criminal work, they merely direct or encourage it. Indirection, suggestion and expressions of fellow-feeling are usually all that a crime boss or terrorist leader need use to get pliant followers to do their bidding. A word here or there is all that is necessary. The transcripts of mob prosecutions are replete with "code words" which those in the know understand. Carlson's followers know exactly what he means. Most of the rest of us do too, though some will deny it and "pull a Pentangeli".

 

[ttwtt78640]

Cute. Circularity. Try this:

Organized crime is a category of transnational, national, or local groupings of highly centralized enterprises run by criminals who intend to engage in illegal activity, most commonly for profit. Some criminal organizations, such as terrorist groups, are politically motivated... A criminal organization or gang can also be referred to as a mafia, mob, ring, or syndicate; the network, subculture and community of criminals may be referred to as the underworld." Wikipedia. [Note: FOX News is referred to as a syndicate or network]. Now, what might be the criminality? Discrimination. Yes, FEDERAL PROTECTIONS AGAINST NATIONAL ORIGIN DISCRIMINATION (Department of Justice) "The Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division prosecutes people who are accused of using force or violence to interfere with a person's federally protected rights because of that person's national origin."

Am I accusing Tucker Carlson of engaging in violence directly? No. But, as the original poster noted, crime bosses rarely get their hands dirty with the criminal work, they merely direct or encourage it. Indirection, suggestion and expressions of fellow-feeling are usually all that a crime boss or terrorist leader need use to get pliant followers to do their bidding. A word here or there is all that is necessary. The transcripts of mob prosecutions are replete with "code words" which those in the know understand. Carlson's followers know exactly what he means. Most of the rest of us do too, though some will deny it and "pull a Pentangeli".

Wow! Loads of words that did not answer the question: what criminal organization he was head of?

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

So are many on MSNBC and CNN - the trick is simply not to let the nonsense which they spew trigger you.

But Tucker Carlson is a real live White Supremacists. He spews their ideology. He says diversity is harmful because people with different beliefs can't live peacefully together. He says it's an invasion and that "Western culture" (whatever that is) is in danger.

 

[ttwtt78640]

But Tucker Carlson is a real live White Supremacists. He spews their ideology. He says diversity is harmful because people with different beliefs can't live peacefully together. He says it's an invasion and that "Western culture" (whatever that is) is in danger.

Yep, he spews nonsense which you recognize as such. What, if anything, do you suggest be done about stopping/preventing that?

 

[NWRatCon]

Cute. Circularity. Try this:

What criminal organization he was head of?

Surely you watch it! Tucker Carlson Tonight. It's an offshoot of "The Trump Organization", a notorious New York crime family.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Surely you watch it! Tucker Carlson Tonight. It's an offshoot of "The Trump Organization", a notorious New York crime family.

Hmm... wouldn't Trump be the head of "The Trump organization"? I guess you can keep demoting Tucker Carlson (now merely an "offshoot") while still calling him boss. HAND

 

[poweRob]

I havent noticed any change either, but I live in Ohio not a border state.

I guess you don't know that Ohio borders with this whole other country called Canada along Lake Erie?

 

[maxparrish]

I was trying to decide if this post is just dripping with disingenuity, or just remarkably idiotic. Then I realized it was both! Congratulations, a twofer. Now, if you have nothing to contribute to this conversation, please go here: 8chan. Your views will be welcome there. Oh wait... apparently not.

In other words, my post was above your pay grade.

 

[bullseyelqcs]

Wow. That statement is probably the height of hypocrisy. You are the one who made the assertion. Shall I have the court reporter read back your statement?I submit, if one cannot define a term, one can't make a claim it is inaccurate. Pretty simple, no?

This all started when I drew the comparison between people saying Tucker shouldn't or doesn't have the power to make things like this happen amd the same people who would hold a crime boss responsible for the actions of an underling even if they didnt actually pull the trigger.

 

[maxparrish]

Because it sees division. Weve been multicultural for some time, but it becomes problematic when the dominant ethnicity feels threatened by the minority ethnicity. As long as the minority plays by the rules of the whites then everything is kosher. Second they kneel at a flag, however.

Tucker is a loser and promotes idiocy. It's fair to ask questions about diversity and how you make it work. It's unfair and disingenuous to insinuate it cant work, and through the phrasing of your questions, to insinuate it shouldn't work.

The party of extinction is absolutely showing its nihilistic face lately.

So what if his analysis sees that division exists? So what if we have been "multicultural" for some period of time? How is it problematic if the heritage population feels threatened by minority ethnicities if, in fact, they are facing threats? Exactly what is wrong with everyone playing by the same rules, rather than making special rules for some, and in honoring the American national identity by standing for its flag?

How is it disingenuous or unfair to question if the ideal of diversity is rational, beneficial, useful, or workable?

I get that you are in denial, what I don't get is why your ilk are the ones feeling so threatened by a challenge to orthodoxy...now that IS being "problematical", don't you think?

 

[maxparrish]

I assume you took the easy route because you didn't have anything else. Okay, cool. Lets pretend that post looked like this instead....

The simple point that the OP was trying to make was that when the words one speaks are indistinguishable from the words of racists, its not that out of line to call what you said racist, even if you aren't one as a person. One need not be a racist to express racist remarks.

Got anything for that?

It is not only simple, it is simpleminded. If a racists say politicians are liars and you say the same thing does that "indistinguishability" make you a racist? Of course not. That you or Tucker might be in agreement on some views also held by communists, racists, or Christians does not make either of you any of those things.

What makes a person a racist is someone who believes that their are inherent racial differences that compels moral and political supremacy by a specific race. Therefore Carlson is not a racist.

 

[Obscurity]

So what if his analysis sees that division exists? So what if we have been "multicultural" for some period of time? How is it problematic if the heritage population feels threatened by minority ethnicities if, in fact, they are facing threats? Exactly what is wrong with everyone playing by the same rules, rather than making special rules for some, and in honoring the American national identity by standing for its flag?

How is it disingenuous or unfair to question if the ideal of diversity is rational, beneficial, useful, or workable?

I get that you are in denial, what I don't get is why your ilk are the ones feeling so threatened by a challenge to orthodoxy...now that IS being "problematical", don't you think?

Sorry, I'm not in denial. I'm not saying you cant question specific facets of integration. Also, no, not everyone is playing by the same rules. You ****ing guys dont get it.

But, the reality is, you need to get a ****ing gripand get over it. It's not changing back.

So continue to sew hate and division but dont get mad when you're called on it.

 

[NWRatCon]

In other words, my post was above your pay grade.

No, I just recognize gaslight when I smell it. Or the emissions of other effluvia.

 

[NWRatCon]

Hmm... wouldn't Trump be the head of "The Trump organization"? I guess you can keep demoting Tucker Carlson (now merely an "offshoot") while still calling him boss. HAND

Surely you are not that ignorant of mafia organization. Have you not seen the Godfather (or read a newspaper in a century)? There is a reason they are called "syndicates". There are many petty crime bosses "capos" below the "capo di tutti i capi".

 

[maxparrish]

Sorry, I'm not in denial. I'm not saying you cant question specific facets of integration. Also, no, not everyone is playing by the same rules. You ****ing guys dont get it.

But, the reality is, you need to get a ****ing gripand get over it. It's not changing back.

So continue to sew hate and division but dont get mad when you're called on it.

When you can't provide an answer to any of my requests for a cogent explanation supporting your emotive purge of feelings, then you are in denial. Therefore, us "****ing guys (who) don't get it" will joyfully point out the dumbness of diversity platitudes and note the stupid smears of those who do the pointing.

 

[NWRatCon]

This all started when I drew the comparison between people saying Tucker shouldn't or doesn't have the power to make things like this happen amd the same people who would hold a crime boss responsible for the actions of an underling even if they didnt actually pull the trigger.

Yes, I recognized that. You, however, did not make the claim that there was no comparison. One cannot deny a comparison without defining terms. I'm about done with the digression, anyway. It's just amazing the levels of denial that can be constructed, though, isn't it?

 

[NWRatCon]

When you can't provide an answer to any of my requests for a cogent explanation supporting your emotive purge of feelings, then you are in denial. Therefore, us "****ing guys (who) don't get it" will joyfully point out the dumbness of diversity platitudes and note the stupid smears of those who do the pointing.

Which is a wordy way of saying, "I got nothin' ".

The "heritage population" is the nicest phrase I've ever read for "white nationalist". Very inventive. I mean that. You should copyright that before Carlson steals it.

 

[Obscurity]

When you can't provide an answer to any of my requests for a cogent explanation supporting your emotive purge of feelings, then you are in denial. Therefore, us "****ing guys (who) don't get it" will joyfully point out the dumbness of diversity platitudes and note the stupid smears of those who do the pointing.

The only dumbness here is you lot acting as though any of this will change.

It wont.

Get a ****ing grip.