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GRS date set. The end of my physical change is nigh

Possibly no one more has gotten on Renae's case in the past than I, but that is not a topic and is the past. However, while there may be basis for criticisms, I came to respect Renae quite a bit. Why? Because Renae didn't decide to join the transgender sloganism-of-the-hour club as if a religion. That is uncommon, but most LGBTs I know are uncommon. So am I - good, bad or otherwise. I also am concerned of Renae's long term future from SRS, but that is her decision.

Do I see Renae as a woman or a female? No.

I see Renae now as a male to female transgender - and after SRS will see her as a male to female transexual. None of that is judgmental nor claiming any inferiority.

"Woman" as a social word is just that, social definitions of "woman" now - which isn't what it was in the past and probably will greatly change in the future. For the word "woman," I think in terms female physiologically - and that means XX chromosomes, wide hips, different body dimensions, ovaries and all the rest for making and caring for babies/children. To me, "woman" and "female" are physiology terms, not psychology and socialization.

Yet none of that is to condemn Renae in the slightest. I greatly believe in individual liberty so all of this is definitely with decision rights Renae has. I do not see this as imposing any duties upon me or others, however, nor do people have to bend their values, life style, opinion of the sexes, to suit Renae - just like Renae does not have to yield to suit any of us. There is nothing Renae is doing that is wrong or unethical. Whether it is wise or not ultimately is Renae's decision entirely and I respect her right to make and live those decisions. But Renae then has to bear the consequences - good and bad. If any of it is "bad," it is not my fault nor creates any duty upon me. I generally never respect pity parties.

No one is required to accept Renae as a woman or female. Or a person may do so. Regardless, in general, people should be polite and courteous to each other. The only time I've had any problem with anyone who is LGBT is when they start making demands upon me or mine, demand I respect their pity parties, demand I accept their slogans and/or when they go on the attack if I don't.

I wish Renae the best in the world. Were Renae my neighbor I have read nothing for which I likely could not enjoy her presence socially, casually, as an acquaintance, professionally and potentially as a friend. Simply, while I do not agree with Renae on everything - and can't think of anyone on this forum that I 100% agree with. I came to respect Renae as a person - and very much did not at first. What manner of life Renae wants to live is entirely within her individual rights. That Is something I definitely respect.

I don't agree with Renae on anything, but I certainly accept her as Renae and have no trouble calling her a woman. Whether we are talking trans or cis is not really relevant here, IMO. If she sees herself as a woman, I'm good with it.

I just would like to see her be a little more pro-LGBT is all.
 
Possibly no one more has gotten on Renae's case in the past than I, but that is not a topic and is the past. However, while there may be basis for criticisms, I came to respect Renae quite a bit. Why? Because Renae didn't decide to join the transgender sloganism-of-the-hour club as if a religion. That is uncommon, but most LGBTs I know are uncommon. So am I - good, bad or otherwise. I also am concerned of Renae's long term future from SRS, but that is her decision.

Do I see Renae as a woman or a female? No.

I see Renae now as a male to female transgender - and after SRS will see her as a male to female transexual. None of that is judgmental nor claiming any inferiority.

"Woman" as a social word is just that, social definitions of "woman" now - which isn't what it was in the past and probably will greatly change in the future. For the word "woman," I think in terms female physiologically - and that means XX chromosomes, wide hips, different body dimensions, ovaries and all the rest for making and caring for babies/children. To me, "woman" and "female" are physiology terms, not psychology and socialization.

Yet none of that is to condemn Renae in the slightest. I greatly believe in individual liberty so all of this is definitely with decision rights Renae has. I do not see this as imposing any duties upon me or others, however, nor do people have to bend their values, life style, opinion of the sexes, to suit Renae - just like Renae does not have to yield to suit any of us. There is nothing Renae is doing that is wrong or unethical. Whether it is wise or not ultimately is Renae's decision entirely and I respect her right to make and live those decisions. But Renae then has to bear the consequences - good and bad. If any of it is "bad," it is not my fault nor creates any duty upon me. I generally never respect pity parties.

No one is required to accept Renae as a woman or female. Or a person may do so. Regardless, in general, people should be polite and courteous to each other. The only time I've had any problem with anyone who is LGBT is when they start making demands upon me or mine, demand I respect their pity parties, demand I accept their slogans and/or when they go on the attack if I don't.

I wish Renae the best in the world. Were Renae my neighbor I have read nothing for which I likely could not enjoy her presence socially, casually, as an acquaintance, professionally and potentially as a friend. Simply, while I do not agree with Renae on everything - and can't think of anyone on this forum that I 100% agree with. I came to respect Renae as a person - and very much did not at first. What manner of life Renae wants to live is entirely within her individual rights. That Is something I definitely respect.

I agree that people can do whatever they want that doesn't hurt anyone else. There is nothing wrong with being homosexual, or being a non-traditional male or female.

My problem with transgenderism has nothing to do with morality. I am concerned about the arrogant over-confidence of the medical industry. They do not have the kind of powers that most Americans seem to think they have.

Modern medicine has come up with a handful of things that can save lives. As a result, the medical industry is practically worshiped. Doctors are trusted because they are not seen as mere fallible humans.

I have a friend who has a transgender child, female to male. I hear about all the agony the kid is experiencing. My friend assumes it's because "he" doesn't have a penis. I wonder if it could be the drugs and hormones he has been on for years.

I honestly do not understand why someone would need to become the opposite sex. Sex roles are social, as far as I or anyone else knows. We live in a very liberal time when people are not slaves to the social roles they are born into. You don't have to transform your body to escape a certain gender role.

Just be yourself and try to ignore what society thinks about it. Avoid being on hormones for life -- that is known to be bad for health. And no amount of surgery can make a typical female look male, or a typical male look female.

The transgender kid I know about is five foot two, and has stopped growing. That's ok for a female, but how many men would like to be five foot two?

I think this kid would have been much better off if the parents had not been so politically correct. And if the doctors and therapists had not been so politically correct.
 
I agree that people can do whatever they want that doesn't hurt anyone else. There is nothing wrong with being homosexual, or being a non-traditional male or female.

My problem with transgenderism has nothing to do with morality. I am concerned about the arrogant over-confidence of the medical industry. They do not have the kind of powers that most Americans seem to think they have.

Modern medicine has come up with a handful of things that can save lives. As a result, the medical industry is practically worshiped. Doctors are trusted because they are not seen as mere fallible humans.

I have a friend who has a transgender child, female to male. I hear about all the agony the kid is experiencing. My friend assumes it's because "he" doesn't have a penis. I wonder if it could be the drugs and hormones he has been on for years.

I honestly do not understand why someone would need to become the opposite sex. Sex roles are social, as far as I or anyone else knows. We live in a very liberal time when people are not slaves to the social roles they are born into. You don't have to transform your body to escape a certain gender role.

Just be yourself and try to ignore what society thinks about it. Avoid being on hormones for life -- that is known to be bad for health. And no amount of surgery can make a typical female look male, or a typical male look female.

The transgender kid I know about is five foot two, and has stopped growing. That's ok for a female, but how many men would like to be five foot two?

I think this kid would have been much better off if the parents had not been so politically correct. And if the doctors and therapists had not been so politically correct.

SRS for female to male isn't really possible other than for some cosmetic appearance.

Social and peer pressure - and the pressure to be unique and different - combine with youthful libido - probably has lead some young adults to having SRS surgery because they are lost in some social/sexual/need to be special. While the extremely high suicide and attempted suicide rates of those who have SRS is blamed by trans-activists on bigots, in fact in many communities being SRS is a social benefit, not a social harm.
 
So after lots of therapy, hormone treatment, and lining up letters, lining up insurance, the big day is set. First week of July. This has been a bit of a slog. Next step is court as soon as I can walk again, to get legally recognized as female. To answer ahead obvious questions, yes I am... scared, excited, apprehensive, ready.

Bon Voyage!

:thumbs:
 
Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery! Hope that it will bring the peace you are looking for.
 
And how many times do you have to be told that we really do not know what gender is. Society decides what is male or female. It might have no inner reality.
You continually attempt to move the goalposts and then intentionally confuse the subject. I am trying of playing your intellectually dishonest games.

We do know what both physical gender and psychological gender identity are and we know what gender roles and that they can be different but that doesn't mean that transgdered people are wrong.

You still do not understand the difference between transgender and transvestite.
 
You continually attempt to move the goalposts and then intentionally confuse the subject. I am trying of playing your intellectually dishonest games.

We do know what both physical gender and psychological gender identity are and we know what gender roles and that they can be different but that doesn't mean that transgdered people are wrong.

You still do not understand the difference between transgender and transvestite.

Do you understand the difference between gender and sex? Between transgender and transsexual?
 
Do you understand the difference between gender and sex? Between transgender and transsexual?

Human sexuality 101,

Gender is the male or femaleness of a person, either biological or psychological. Sex is an act of reproduction.

Transgendered and transsexual refer to the very same situation but the use of transsexual is now out of favor.

Definition of transsexual

: of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity is opposite the sex the person had or was identified as having at birth

Note: Transsexual people may or may not undergo surgery and hormone therapy to obtain a physical appearance typical of the gender they identify as.

Merriman-Webster.
 
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