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Greatest QB's of All-Time

Robertinfremont said:
Due to his state of birth, Brady easily qualifies.

But the shocker is I rate Steve Young the highest due to both his arm, his intellect and he could fly for touchdowns on his own.

The best QB on a bad team will not go far. Brady will not go far with Tampa Bay.
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Steve Young went 3-16 on a bad Tamba Bay team and threw for 11 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. In San Fran, he inherited a ready made championship caliber ball club as a starter.

Good QB...but impossible to really say how good he was.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I sold a home both to and for a Redskin player who played the Raiders in that Superbowl. He said it was due to spacing problems that they lost . During the season they were virtually unbeatable. The Raiders got lucky and of course had Marcus Allen.
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Word in Washington was that many Redskins did some serious curfew violating the night before.
 
Jack Hays said:
Word in Washington was that many Redskins did some serious curfew violating the night before.
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I should have asked about that. I asked how it was he was ran by so fast by Marcus Allen (see #24 for my man) and he blamed it on the spacing for the defense. I was not that knowledgeable to question him.

24 is not nearly as well known but it is Anthony Washington a DB.

Remember he had a super season and ordinarily was relied on to tackle well.

By the way, I saw his Superbowl check. I also talked to his agent and also Bobby Beathard on the phone. The redskins sent me a job verification on Anthony disclosing they were in contract negotiations and i called them to inform them I needed his job verification to say great chances to stay employed. So they sent it express mail.

 
Rexedgar said:
I cringed when his leg twisted at an ugly ankle. Best second quarter in my lifetime, and a no-name rushes for a SB record, Timmy Smith, stood until Marcus Allen in Tampa, I had a ticket to that one. The fans must have had reversible gear, because all I saw was burgundy and gold before the game and after there was nothing but silver and black.
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We lived in Lome, Togo in 1988. There was of course no commercial satellite broadcast. There was, however, a US government downlink in neighboring Benin. Videotape of the broadcast was handed off at the border the following (Monday) morning. Meanwhile, we had signed up a couple dozen fans who swore not to watch, listen or read about the game in real time. We set up a television and VCR in a restaurant, and watched the SB "live on tape" over lunch on Monday.

Denver jumped out to a 10-0 lead after the first quarter, then the roof fell in. Redskins offensive and defensive lines dominated. By the fourth quarter Elway was running for his life on every play.
 
VanceMack said:
Steve Young went 3-16 on a bad Tamba Bay team and threw for 11 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. In San Fran, he inherited a ready made championship caliber ball club as a starter.

Good QB...but impossible to really say how good he was.
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I was a long standing fan of the 49ers and I tell you he was great as a quarterback.

He ran much better than Joe Montana. We were blessed to have to championship type QBs on the same team. Steve is a more powerful man.
 
Jack Hays said:
We lived in Lome, Togo in 1988. There was of course no commercial satellite broadcast. There was, however, a US government downlink in neighboring Benin. Videotape of the broadcast was handed off at the border the following (Monday) morning. Meanwhile, we had signed up a couple dozen fans who swore not to watch, listen or read about the game in real time. We set up a television and VCR in a restaurant, and watched the SB "live on tape" over lunch on Monday.

Denver jumped out to a 10-0 lead after the first quarter, then the roof fell in. Redskins offensive and defensive lines dominated. By the fourth quarter Elway was running for his life on every play.
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NFC won every Superbowl for well over a decade, IIRC. From the Raiders in '84 until sometime in the mid-nineties, after the four Buffalo losses, I believe. I'm guessing it was the Broncos in 98 or so.


Yep
 
Robertinfremont said:
I was a long standing fan of the 49ers and I tell you he was great as a quarterback.

He ran much better than Joe Montana. We were blessed to have to championship type QBs on the same team. Steve is a more powerful man.
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He was definitely more mobile but I think it is a stretch to say he was better, let alone much better than Montana. Remember...he played in the house that Bill and Joe built.
 
No sidearm throwing, no greatest.
 
Hmmm, has anyone else mentioned Roger Staubach? If I could pick any QB to lead my team, he would probably be it. As a fan of the original Rams, the man broke my heart more times than I care to remember.
 
calamity said:
What about Bradshaw? Does everyone agree him winning four rings is only a case of being in the right place at the right time? If so, I'd say the same applies to Tom.
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How did his stats as a QB compare to others in the same time frame. Brady's QB stats were in general among the best every year he was in the league.

Certainly Brady's yards, per season and QB ratings were higher, and the Patriots were a more dominate team than the Steelers for longer than the Steelers
 
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We Settle The Great Steve Young-Joe Montana Quarterback Debate

". . . Young was better in college. He was a superior athlete and a more dynamic playmaker, and because of that, he outperformed Montana in the same system with less defensive support. And while Montana’s Super Bowl record remains unimpeachable, when we account for surrounding talent and changes to league structure, it’s hard to fault Young for winning fewer Super Bowls during his tenure.
Our evidence from that era isn’t perfect. But the evidence we do have points pretty clearly in one direction: Young was the better player."
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
How did his stats as a QB compare to others in the same time frame. Brady's QB stats were in general among the best every year he was in the league.

Certainly Brady's yards, per season and QB ratings were higher, and the Patriots were a more dominate team than the Steelers for longer than the Steelers
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If Brady wins one with Tampa Bay, I'll probably consider it. But, if you ask me, winning 4 SB in 5 years, versus 5 in 20, is not all that much less impressive.
 
Jack Hays said:
9:00 AM
We Settle The Great Steve Young-Joe Montana Quarterback Debate

". . . Young was better in college. He was a superior athlete and a more dynamic playmaker, and because of that, he outperformed Montana in the same system with less defensive support. And while Montana’s Super Bowl record remains unimpeachable, when we account for surrounding talent and changes to league structure, it’s hard to fault Young for winning fewer Super Bowls during his tenure.
Our evidence from that era isn’t perfect. But the evidence we do have points pretty clearly in one direction: Young was the better player."
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Young was the better player, but Montana was the better Quarterback. The intangibles put him over the top. It's the Johnny Unitas effect... sit down and look at Johnny U's stats, and they're good, but they're not GREAT. And yet so many people refer to him as the greatest QB of all time. Why? Because of his on-field presence... his intelligence and leadership.
 
Cordelier said:
Young was the better player, but Montana was the better Quarterback. The intangibles put him over the top. It's the Johnny Unitas effect... sit down and look at Johnny U's stats, and they're good, but they're not GREAT. And yet so many people refer to him as the greatest QB of all time. Why? Because of his on-field presence... his intelligence and leadership.
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It's why Starr was a better QB than Unitas.
 
Jack Hays said:
It's why Starr was a better QB than Unitas.
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Well.... that's a debate, isn't it? *L*

I think Starr was a great Quarterback under Vince Lombardi.... but without Lombardi, both he and the Packers were mediocre at best. Unitas, on the other hand, was great under Weeb Ewbank and he was still great under Don Shula. So there's an argument to be made that Unitas was more consistent and was personally more responsible for the team's success.
 
Cordelier said:
Well.... that's a debate, isn't it? *L*

I think Starr was a great Quarterback under Vince Lombardi.... but without Lombardi, both he and the Packers were mediocre at best. Unitas, on the other hand, was great under Weeb Ewbank and he was still great under Don Shula. So there's an argument to be made that Unitas was more consistent and was personally more responsible for the team's success.
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Starr: five NFL championships, highest all-time playoff win percentage.
 
Jack Hays said:
Starr: five NFL championships, highest all-time playoff win percentage.
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Those are team statistics, though. Was Bart Starr great? Absolutely. But so was Ray Nitschke. So was Forrest Gregg and Paul Hornung. I could go on and on. But I think the biggest contributor was Vince Lombardi himself. Both Green Bay and Bart Starr were mediocre before Lombardi arrived there. While he was there, they were the best in the league. After he left, both Starr and Green Bay became mediocre again.

I'm not saying that Unitas didn't benefit from great coaching too... Weeb Ewbank and Don Shula were great coaches. But I don't think either one of them were on Lombardi's level. And the Colts teams of the 50's and 60's were great teams... but I don't think they had the personnel to compete with Lombardi's Packers. All I'm saying is that Unitas was more consistent than Starr - he was at the top of his game for longer, and under different coaching regimes.
 
Cordelier said:
Those are team statistics, though. Was Bart Starr great? Absolutely. But so was Ray Nitschke. So was Forrest Gregg and Paul Hornung. I could go on and on. But I think the biggest contributor was Vince Lombardi himself. Both Green Bay and Bart Starr were mediocre before Lombardi arrived there. While he was there, they were the best in the league. After he left, both Starr and Green Bay became mediocre again.

I'm not saying that Unitas didn't benefit from great coaching too... Weeb Ewbank and Don Shula were great coaches. But I don't think either one of them were on Lombardi's level. And the Colts teams of the 50's and 60's were great teams... but I don't think they had the personnel to compete with Lombardi's Packers. All I'm saying is that Unitas was more consistent than Starr - he was at the top of his game for longer, and under different coaching regimes.
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We'll disagree.
 
TurtleDude said:
He also won a bunch of titles and had the highest winning percentage of all time
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Different eras had different rolls for QB. Automatic Otto Graham played 10 seasons & won 7 championships, no QB
could match that. He did have help Paul Brown as coach, Marion Motley was a great running back & he was able to
throw to incredible receivers Dante Lavelli, Max Speedie & Special Delivery Jones who was Bert Jones father.
I'd put Graham anywhere from #2 to #8 all time. Certainly in the top 10.
 
slick said:
Different eras had different rolls for QB. Automatic Otto Graham played 10 seasons & won 7 championships, no QB
could match that. He did have help Paul Brown as coach, Marion Motley was a great running back & he was able to
throw to incredible receivers Dante Lavelli, Max Speedie & Special Delivery Jones who was Bert Jones father.
I'd put Graham anywhere from #2 to #8 all time. Certainly in the top 10.
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Pre-superbowl era: Graham, Sid Luckman, Bobby Layne...lots of guys we probably never heard of.

60's: Unitas, Starr, Dawson, Sonny J.

70's: Griese, Tark, Stabler, Roger...gotta throw in Terry

80's: Joe, John and Dan

90's: Troy & Jim Kelly

2k's: Tom, Aaron and maybe Ben
 
When I think about the 2000 era, I am definitely thinking Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo and Big Ben.
 
Bucky said:
When I think about the 2000 era, I am definitely thinking Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo and Big Ben.
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Tony Romo???:lamo

As a fan of the Redskins, I was very sad to see Romo retire.
 
Bucky said:
When I think about the 2000 era, I am definitely thinking Peyton Manning, Michael Vick, Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo and Big Ben.
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I forgot about Manning. Thx.
 
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