Great cornoa numbers on their way...

[poweRob]

Im pointing out that your position is hypocritical

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You are going off topic to get personal in order to protect your king. Sad.

 

[poweRob]

Did he, though?

I did. I edited in the correct spelling thanks to him.

 

[Xilnik]

Ok so next time I will simply reference people to look up my entire post if they want to see why his accusation was completely bogus.

It is not completely bogus. While you feel the raw data should also be given to other people with interest in tracking the data for health and scientific purposes, you fail to realize the overall issue with having the data sent through a filter. You may not see it as a filter because you do not believe the administration would do anything unscrupulous, but it does give the administration the opportunity to do just that. They can now decide which data they want to share with the CDC, how much of the data, in what form it is delivered, etc. There is really no good reason to have the administration acting as a filter.

As Simon mentioned above, why not just have raw data sent to multiple agencies in addition to the CDC? Why does the raw data get sent to only one recipient where there is the potential for it to be altered before being sent to other agencies?

 

[digitusmedius]

I understand why Trump wants raw data directly given to his people to interpret, it assures there isnt any political tampering but at the same time that same raw data should also be made available to his opposition to provide them with equal reassurance.

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And where is this bubble in which you live? I mean the one where that raw data given into Dirtbag Don's filthy, corrupt hands would remain pristine?

 

[trouble13]

The CDC makes their data publicly available.
How does sending data away from the people who make it publicly available increase transparency?
please explain


If it's just about transparency, why not just send the numbers somewhere else TOO?
Why send the numbers somewhere else INSTEAD?

Why not have copies sent to the CDC AND where ever else?

Thats the same thing that I am saying. Send the same data to both.

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[trouble13]

It is not completely bogus. While you feel the raw data should also be given to other people with interest in tracking the data for health and scientific purposes, you fail to realize the overall issue with having the data sent through a filter. You may not see it as a filter because you do not believe the administration would do anything unscrupulous, but it does give the administration the opportunity to do just that. They can now decide which data they want to share with the CDC, how much of the data, in what form it is delivered, etc. There is really no good reason to have the administration acting as a filter.

As Simon mentioned above, why not just have raw data sent to multiple agencies in addition to the CDC? Why does the raw data get sent to only one recipient where there is the potential for it to be altered before being sent to other agencies?

Maybe i have not been clear but i am saying exactly that. Give the raw data to everyone and let each filter it however they deem appropiate. We csn argue about which filter is better but lets be transparent

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[Xilnik]

Maybe i have not been clear but i am saying exactly that. Give the raw data to everyone and let each filter it however they deem appropiate. We csn argue about which filter is better but lets be transparent

I agree with you then. I think we were all misunderstanding you and thinking you meant it should go to HHS, and then HHS should release the raw data to other people. The concern with that is HHS being the sole recipient opens up the possibility for the data to be compromised, so the data may not be in its true raw form anymore when sent on to other agencies.

 

[Mr Person]

How is advocating for transparency ensuring that? I am litterally agreeing that the CDC should not be excluded from recieving the data and your still bitching. Its mind boggling to me.

:lamo


This:

The CDC makes their data publicly available.
How does sending data away from the people who make it publicly available increase transparency?
please explain


If it's just about transparency, why not just send the numbers somewhere else TOO?
Why send the numbers somewhere else INSTEAD?

Why not have copies sent to the CDC AND where ever else?

So either once again you don't have the slightest clue of what you - trouble13 - are talking about nor any hope of obtaining one, or you are lying out of every orifice.

I'm going with the latter, with the former as icing.



This is the opposite of transparency, designed so that the administration can manipulate the data before release. But with Trumpism, ugliness is an end unto itself.





Which is why you approve of Trump getting the data first, and choose to dishonestly claim that is actually "transparency", when in fact the only purpose for them to get the data first is if they intend to manipulate it.

I understand why Trump wants raw data directly given to his people to interpret, it assures there isnt any political tampering but at the same time that same raw data should also be made available to his opposition to provide them with equal reassurance.

 

[d0gbreath]

It will be a good thing. Coronavirus cases will plunge in Florida, Texas, and Arizona in just a few days.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Thats the same thing that I am saying. Send the same data to both.
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So you object to what the Trump admin has decided to do then?

Why didn't the Trump Admin just ask for a copy of the data instead of taking it away from the CDC (of all people)?

It looks like another one of Trump's bonehead failures.

 

[trouble13]

I agree with you then. I think we were all misunderstanding you and thinking you meant it should go to HHS, and then HHS should release the raw data to other people. The concern with that is HHS being the sole recipient opens up the possibility for the data to be compromised, so the data may not be in its true raw form anymore when sent on to other agencies.

Yeah im gathering that you all think im saying that and im not. I think its unacceptable if thats what they are doing and Trump should be criticized over it. We can disagree about what the data implies but it has to be based on honest data.

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[trouble13]

:lamo


This:





So either once again you don't have the slightest clue of what you - trouble13 - are talking about nor any hope of obtaining one, or you are lying out of every orifice.

I'm going with the latter, with the former as icing.



This is the opposite of transparency, designed so that the administration can manipulate the data before release. But with Trumpism, ugliness is an end unto itself.





Which is why you approve of Trump getting the data first, and choose to dishonestly claim that is actually "transparency", when in fact the only purpose for them to get the data first is if they intend to manipulate it.

You have 2 ears and 1 mouth. I suggest you listen more and speak less.

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[trouble13]

So you object to what the Trump admin has decided to do then?

Why didn't the Trump Admin just ask for a copy of the data instead of taking it away from the CDC (of all people)?

It looks like another one of Trump's bonehead failures.

Yes I object to it if its as its being portrayed in this thread. I understand why he may want the raw data before its been filtered by the cdc or anyone else but he should not be filtering it either. Give everyone the raw data.the croticism of trump in this circumstance is fair. It does not happen often but this time i agree with it.

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[tres borrachos]

It will be a good thing. Coronavirus cases will plunge in Florida, Texas, and Arizona in just a few days.

If we stop testing they will disappear altogether. Magically.

 

[d0gbreath]

If we stop testing they will disappear altogether. Magically.

Trump is going to save us all.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Yes I object to it if its as its being portrayed in this thread. I understand why he may want the raw data before its been filtered by the cdc or anyone else but he should not be filtering it either. Give everyone the raw data.the croticism of trump in this circumstance is fair. It does not happen often but this time i agree with it.

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I am unable to see any good reason to pipeline the data through the WH.
This is worse than the GWB Admin's Office of Special Plans. At least w/ the OSP, they weren't keeping information away from the experts.*



Idc if the WH want to access the data as well.
Actually, I do care. I want the WH to be all over the data.
They should be striving for the most of the best data to use when making decisions.
Data like this needs experts to turn it into information.
So let me go back to saying I don't care if the WH wants to access the data alongside the CDC and the rest of the world.
But the WH should and must strive to access the most and the best information about the virus.




*[The GWB Admin set up an alternative office to comb through raw intel (data) to make a case for war against Iraq because the experts at the USIC weren't giving the Admin the information they wanted. ]george bush administration office of special plans douglas feith stovepipe] - Google Search

 

[trouble13]

I am unable to see any good reason to pipeline the data through the WH.
This is worse than the GWB Admin's Office of Special Plans. At least w/ the OSP, they weren't keeping information away from the experts.*



Idc if the WH want to access the data as well.
Actually, I do care. I want the WH to be all over the data.
They should be striving for the most of the best data to use when making decisions.
Data like this needs experts to turn it into information.
So let me go back to saying I don't care if the WH wants to access the data alongside the CDC and the rest of the world.
But the WH should and must strive to access the most and the best information about the virus.




*[The GWB Admin set up an alternative office to comb through raw intel (data) to make a case for war against Iraq because the experts at the USIC weren't giving the Admin the information they wanted. ]george bush administration office of special plans douglas feith stovepipe] - Google Search

In general we agree

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