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iguanaman said:
LOL Poor little Herbert. Roosevelt was merely echoing the sentiment of the American people when it came to Hoover. His behavior during the Depression that started on his watch was deeply unpopular. He did virtually nothing to help the American people as they lost all their savings and unemployment rose to 23%. If he had gone begging to Congress for money like Bush did for TARP he might have gotten at least some sympathy for his administration. As it was he was considered cold and aloof from the suffering and he felt that the pain and starvation was inseparable from capitalism, a lot like some on this board behave I'm afraid..
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And prior to Hoover, it was Warren Harding that gave us the temporal 'roaring twenties' by deregulating the railroads, banks and other industry which culminated in the very painful depression. FDR, did a very good job of easing its pain, but it was his continual manipulation to involve us in the second WW that really put everybody back to work and ended the depression.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

While some would like to say GWB must accept the criticism as valid and that's why he hasn't fired back, I don't believe that's the case at all. It's more likely that he is just letting the American public come to their own conclusions since he's been out of office for years. Why demean himself by responding in kind? That's childish and petty, and it serves no purpose so why bother? Did FDR blame Hoover for the Great Depression? No, he got busy fixing the problem by putting men to work who wanted jobs, and they thanked him for that, and we are still enjoying the benefits of his vision today. So who is considered one of the Great Presidents of the 20th Century? Just saying....
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FDR did not "fix" the problems of the great depression. His measures prevented solution. FDR's vision (a socialist Utopia) undid the Revolution of 1776.

Now back to defeating Islamofascists abroad and their supporters among us.
 
polgara said:
Hello, imagep. :2wave:

I am not so partisan that I can't give credit where it's due. :blah: :lol: In the past, I have listened to people talk who went through those very difficult times, and they always praise FDR for doing the best he could for the people. He gave them jobs, but more than that he gave them hope that things would get better, and they needed to hear those words, and they trusted him. They said it was hard work, but they always remark on what projects they worked on with pride. How can you not admire someone who inspires that loyalty?
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It was misplaced loyalty.

Roosevelt's actions failed to accomplish anything beyond getting Roosevelt re-elected. Had it been possible I am sure there would have been Roosevelt Phones...paid for out of Roosevelt's "stash".

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Montecresto said:
And prior to Hoover, it was Warren Harding that gave us the temporal 'roaring twenties' by deregulating the railroads, banks and other industry which culminated in the very painful depression. FDR, did a very good job of easing its pain, but it was his continual manipulation to involve us in the second WW that really put everybody back to work and ended the depression.
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So WWII was Roosevelt's war of choice?
 
Misterveritis said:
So your solution is to turn your back on this generation's Holocaust? Never again? No. It is happening right now. We could stop it. Why won't we? I believe the answer is that The Effeminate One on the golf course prefers the chaos.
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He doesn't prefer chaos. He was raised in a muslim family and is obviously unwilling to lift more of a hand against it than he has to.
 
Misterveritis said:
FDR did not "fix" the problems of the great depression. His measures prevented solution. FDR's vision (a socialist Utopia) undid the Revolution of 1776.

Now back to defeating Islamofascists abroad and their supporters among us.
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Greetings, Misterveritis. :2wave:

Perhaps I listened too long to many of our older senior citizens who lived through those dark days, but FDR is remembered by them as almost a God - he gave them hope when they had none. I have the movie "The Grapes of Wrath," and if that was even partially true, it must have been horrible to live through.

First banks closed and they couldn't get their savings out; then businesses and factories closed their doors because few people had money to spend, so consumer buying came to a standstill. It was almost like a decade of poverty for everyone except the very wealthy.

The average person had no knowledge of the political end of things, they just knew that everything had done a 180 from the Roaring 20s, and now they were poor. They didn't riot -they were too busy trying to cope with reality with little or no cash. Then they also had to cope with what we call the "dust bowl days," with little or no rain for years, which hurt food producers. Could we do as well if it happened today? For most people, I think probably not.
 
Misterveritis said:
And this is what should have remained US Federal policy. Instead the Constitution was breached. We might not ever recover. And all of this occurred so that Roosevelt could remain in office.

We have strayed from the destruction of the Islamofascists abroad and their supporters at home.
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On the contrary, FDR's policies single handedly produced the great middle class and the highest standard of living in the world. The more we stray from them the worse we have become.
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Misterveritis. :2wave:

Perhaps I listened too long to many of our older senior citizens who lived through those dark days, but FDR is remembered by them as almost a God - he gave them hope when they had none. I have the movie "The Grapes of Wrath," and if that was even partially true, it must have been horrible to live through.
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It was horrible for far longer that was necessary. FDR's policies were the reason.

First banks closed and they couldn't get their savings out; then businesses and factories closed their doors because few people had money to spend, so consumer buying came to a standstill. It was almost like a decade of poverty for everyone except the very wealthy.
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Of course this is not true. It is the myth. It was hard on the roughly 25% who were not working. That is about double today's actual rate of unemployment. And FDR's policies kept the poor poor much as the Federal policies today keep our poor poor.

The average person had no knowledge of the political end of things, they just knew that everything had done a 180 from the Roaring 20s, and now they were poor. They didn't riot -they were too busy trying to cope with reality with little or no cash. Then they also had to cope with what we call the "dust bowl days," with little or no rain for years, which hurt food producers. Could we do as well if it happened today? For most people, I think probably not.
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FDR violated the Constitution and should have been impeached. Instead he prolonged the depression with his policies and was lionized. The Effeminate One on the golf course learned his history well. Lie to the people long enough and give them crumbs, use the media to create a myth and the myth will live on for a hundred years.
 
Jack Hays said:
You'll need to document your claim about what you say GWB said.
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It is a clear lie but I can understand how a lazy anti-American poster would not bother to go beyond the lying headline to discover the opposite was true. It took less than two minutes to find the quote and to recognize the lie built into the twisted quote.
 
Misterveritis said:
It is a clear lie but I can understand how a lazy anti-American poster would not bother to go beyond the lying headline to discover the opposite was true. It took less than two minutes to find the quote and to recognize the lie built into the twisted quote.
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Agreed.
 
iguanaman said:
On the contrary, FDR's policies single handedly produced the great middle class and the highest standard of living in the world. The more we stray from them the worse we have become.
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Socialism always looks best in the beginning when there is still plenty of real wealth to plunder. Later on when all we have is the illusion of wealth it begins to lose its luster.

FDR should have been forced from office. Obama should as well.
 
iguanaman said:
On the contrary, FDR's policies single handedly produced the great middle class and the highest standard of living in the world. The more we stray from them the worse we have become.
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The middle class existed long before FDR.
 
Misterveritis said:
Whether that is true or not it is clear you have been caught. You cannot be trusted.
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Obviously you didn't read the text. It was George Bush that was caught lying and you with egg on your face for not paying attention lol.
 
Misterveritis said:
Socialism always looks best in the beginning when there is still plenty of real wealth to plunder. Later on when all we have is the illusion of wealth it begins to lose its luster.

FDR should have been forced from office. Obama should as well.
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Only you would call the "golden age of capitalism" socialist. I knew you were a fan of the monarchy.
 
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