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GOP in retreat on ObamaCare

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GOP in retreat on ObamaCare

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April 20, 2018

Republicans are retreating from calls to repeal ObamaCare ahead of this year’s midterm elections. Less than a year after the GOP gave up on its legislative effort to repeal the law, Democrats are going on offense on this issue, attacking Republicans for their votes as they hope to retake the House majority. Antonio Delgado, a Democrat running for Rep. John Faso’s (R-N.Y.) seat, is running an ad saying Faso broke a promise to protect people with pre-existing conditions. Faso voted for the House’s repeal bill in 2017. He says his message on ObamaCare is “keep what works, fix what doesn't.” The Cook Political Report rates the race a toss-up. Rep. Tom MacArthur, a New Jersey Republican who spearheaded a compromise that helped push an ObamaCare repeal bill through the House last spring, is also playing defense. He is in a competitive race in a district rated as lean Republican by Cook. Asked if the GOP should push forward with ObamaCare repeal, MacArthur replied: “I am focused on improving healthcare in any way we can; I'm not looking to tilt at windmills.”

ObamaCare’s favorability in polls has improved since the repeal push last year, with more now favoring the law than not. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll in March found that 50 percent of the public favors the law, while 43 percent holds an unfavorable view. GOP strategist Ford O’Connell said the political winds have shifted on the issue, turning ObamaCare into a subject Democrats want to tout and many Republicans want to duck. “I don’t think it’s seen as a winning issue,” he said. “It’s also an issue that tends to fire up the Democratic base more so than the Republican base.” GOP supporters of repeal argue the House is paying for the Senate GOP’s sins. Democrats argue they have the wind at their backs on healthcare, pointing to polls like a CNN survey in February that found 83 percent of voters rate health care as important to their vote, above the economy or taxes. “If Republicans continue their war on health care and Democrats call them on it, the opposition party will continue to widen its advantage in the midterm elections,” Brad Woodhouse, campaign director of the pro-ObamaCare group Protect Our Care, wrote in a memo this month. Asked if Republicans should run on ObamaCare repeal this year, Rep. Chris Collins (R-N.Y.), replied simply, “No.”
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The GOP will pay a heavy price come November for all their secret meetings to sabotage the healthcare of millions of Americans.
 
ObamaCare’s favorability in polls has improved since the repeal push last year, with more now favoring the law than not. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll in March found that 50 percent of the public favors the law, while 43 percent holds an unfavorable view. GOP strategist Ford O’Connell said the political winds have shifted on the issue, turning ObamaCare into a subject Democrats want to tout and many Republicans want to duck. “I don’t think it’s seen as a winning issue,” he said. “It’s also an issue that tends to fire up the Democratic base more so than the Republican base.”
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Actually if you read your quote, a majority of American are happy with Obamacare. I know many that aren't but what they hey. The only thing concrete that the Republicans did was drop the fines paid through the IRS. I'm sure voters will miss that and demand them back. It's a dead deal. You want Obamacare, you got Obamacare. The democrats are planning to run on a wish list of socialist programs benefiting the poor - guaranteed income, single payer health care, and card check.

If people want Obamacare, why do you expect the Republicans to take it away when the democrats are going to run on expanding it?

Health care rated as "important" does not mean another flirt with democrats running another form of Obamacare.
 
Rogue Valley said:
GOP in retreat on ObamaCare

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The GOP will pay a heavy price come November for all their secret meetings to sabotage the healthcare of millions of Americans.
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The GOP missed their window to repeal the ACA. They have been yakking about it for many years, and once they had full control of all 3 branches, they failed. Completely, utterly and totally failed. That's something that will haunt them for a long time.

It's in their interest to pretend at this point that they supported it all along and never intended to repeal it.
 
tres borrachos said:
The GOP missed their window to repeal the ACA. They have been yakking about it for many years, and once they had full control of all 3 branches, they failed. Completely, utterly and totally failed. That's something that will haunt them for a long time.

It's in their interest to pretend at this point that they supported it all along and never intended to repeal it.
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That is not true. People adjusted to it and polling said they wanted to keep it. What's the beef?
 
tres borrachos said:
The GOP missed their window to repeal the ACA. They have been yakking about it for many years, and once they had full control of all 3 branches, they failed. Completely, utterly and totally failed. That's something that will haunt them for a long time.

It's in their interest to pretend at this point that they supported it all along and never intended to repeal it.
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They wanted to repeal it, but had nothing to replace it with.
 
Rogue Valley said:
GOP in retreat on ObamaCare

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The GOP will pay a heavy price come November for all their secret meetings to sabotage the healthcare of millions of Americans.
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All that winning, lol.

The GOP couldn't get a repeal through, of course they'd abandon it now. It's too close to the midterm to be messing with something like healthcare and the winds have changed regarding Obamacare. They had the perfect conditions to get rid of it, they controlled everything; and they couldn't. Now a lot of that is likely because Trump couldn't get things together, and kept the GOP on the defense with his embarrassing behavior. So the GOP could never truly group and hit the offense hard. But regardless, it was their mess up.

Will they pay a heavy price? They can, for sure, but the Dems have to get their heads out of their asses and do a good job and capitalize on this. Can they? I'm sure it's withing their capabilities, though we'll see if they actually do it. The Midterm elections are the DNCs to lose.
 
chuckiechan said:
That is not true. People adjusted to it and polling said they wanted to keep it. What's the beef?
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What isn't true in that post?

Have they been promising for years to repeal and replace it? Yes.
Do they have control of all 3 branches today? Yes.
Did they fail to repeal and replace it last year? Yes.

The last line from me was my opinion. Opinions aren't "not true".

Your post is a failure.
 
So Trump and the GOP intentionally jack up premiums, make a failed run at attacking pre-existing condition protections (resorting to stealth attacks now instead), and oversee the first rise in uninsurance in a decade. The jury's still out on whether they've made an eventual transition to some single-payer-like system a forgone conclusion but ironically they've given that movement the biggest shot in the arm its ever had.

And now they find that their favorite electoral cudgel isn't there anymore. Indeed, it's being turned against them now by Democrats.

What a waste of a decade for them.
 
TheGoverness said:
They wanted to repeal it, but had nothing to replace it with.
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They did not want to stop the flow of "free" federal money to the states (via expanded Medicaid and PPACA "private" plan subsidies) but could not come up with a (Trump?) plan that covered more people yet cost less (taxpayer) money. The dumbest part of PPACA was to ban the use of actuarial risk factors (other than age and tobacco use) from affecting premium rates.
 
Ikari said:
All that winning, lol.

The GOP couldn't get a repeal through, of course they'd abandon it now. It's too close to the midterm to be messing with something like healthcare and the winds have changed regarding Obamacare. They had the perfect conditions to get rid of it, they controlled everything; and they couldn't. Now a lot of that is likely because Trump couldn't get things together, and kept the GOP on the defense with his embarrassing behavior. So the GOP could never truly group and hit the offense hard. But regardless, it was their mess up.

Will they pay a heavy price? They can, for sure, but the Dems have to get their heads out of their asses and do a good job and capitalize on this. Can they? I'm sure it's withing their capabilities, though we'll see if they actually do it. The Midterm elections are the DNCs to lose.
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Most people are insured at work so your "pie of discontent" is not as big as you think it is. Obamacare was designed to bring the poor into the system. So as employment rises, there is less need for Obamacare assuming more poor are going to be employed and get employer subsidized insurance.

There are less than 12 million people on Obamacare. The noise makes it seem bigger and more important than it is.

So if we have a disconnect, please explain. I suspect the term "Obamacare" is getting applied to the wrong problem.
 
Ikari said:
All that winning, lol.

The GOP couldn't get a repeal through, of course they'd abandon it now. It's too close to the midterm to be messing with something like healthcare and the winds have changed regarding Obamacare. They had the perfect conditions to get rid of it, they controlled everything; and they couldn't. Now a lot of that is likely because Trump couldn't get things together, and kept the GOP on the defense with his embarrassing behavior. So the GOP could never truly group and hit the offense hard. But regardless, it was their mess up.

Will they pay a heavy price? They can, for sure, but the Dems have to get their heads out of their asses and do a good job and capitalize on this. Can they? I'm sure it's withing their capabilities, though we'll see if they actually do it. The Midterm elections are the DNCs to lose.
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Though it never pays to underestimate the Democrats ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, I think this year even they can pull off a win. Trump made promises, better healthcare, cover more people for less money, that were blatantly impossible to keep. He wrote the check and told congress to cash it. Too bad it bounced. :mrgreen:
 
tres borrachos said:
The GOP missed their window to repeal the ACA. They have been yakking about it for many years, and once they had full control of all 3 branches, they failed. Completely, utterly and totally failed. That's something that will haunt them for a long time.

It's in their interest to pretend at this point that they supported it all along and never intended to repeal it.
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For the most part, the repeal and replace idea was just a way to forever alter base Medicaid for the worse.
 
IMO Republi****s & Demorats do not care about Americans & their health care issues.

Both parties are only interested in 'career politics.'

It is a shame that >90% of voters don't realize this & vote out all of these assholes.
 
tres borrachos said:
What isn't true in that post?

Have they been promising for years to repeal and replace it? Yes.
Do they have control of all 3 branches today? Yes.
Did they fail to repeal and replace it last year? Yes.

The last line from me was my opinion. Opinions aren't "not true".

Your post is a failure.
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Do they need democrat support to repeal it? YES

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cuban smokes said:
IMO Republi****s & Demorats do not care about Americans & their health care issues.

Both parties are only interested in 'career politics.'

It is a shame that >90% of voters don't realize this & vote out all of these assholes.
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Yay populism......:roll:
 
Greenbeard said:
So Trump and the GOP intentionally jack up premiums, make a failed run at attacking pre-existing condition protections (resorting to stealth attacks now instead), and oversee the first rise in uninsurance in a decade. The jury's still out on whether they've made an eventual transition to some single-payer-like system a forgone conclusion but ironically they've given that movement the biggest shot in the arm its ever had.

And now they find that their favorite electoral cudgel isn't there anymore. Indeed, it's being turned against them now by Democrats.

What a waste of a decade for them.
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Great post GB! As a single-payer proponent, I to have considered that I've bolded in your post.

Unfortunately though, there will be much pain before a turn toward single-payer is made - if it's made at all.
 
trouble13 said:
Do they need democrat support to repeal it? YES

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No they don't. Just like the Democrats didn't need Republican support to put it in place in the first place.

They voted to repeal it repeatedly. The reason they couldn't get it done is because of their own party Senators . Fact.

They failed, and if you cared about the future of the party, you would be concerned about that, as I am.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/health-care-debate-thursday/index.html
 
TheGoverness said:
They wanted to repeal it, but had nothing to replace it with.
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Partly yes, partly no. When the The Republican Party "proactively" tackles an issue, it tends to operate under two generic presumptions:

1) All problems can be dealt with tax cuts or tax credits

2) If not, block grant it

Evidence for #1 and #2 is not really needed.

This is not to say the Democratic Party doesn't have equally facile ways of approaching domestic policy, but on the Republican side, there's a wee bit too much talking point rehearsal involved.
 
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tres borrachos said:
No they don't. Just like the Democrats didn't need Republican support to put it in place in the first place.

They voted to repeal it repeatedly. The reason they couldn't get it done is because of their own party Senators . Fact.

They failed, and if you cared about the future of the party, you would be concerned about that, as I am.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/27/politics/health-care-debate-thursday/index.html
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Something else, innit? They control the House, the Senate, the White House, most of the state legislatures and governors mansions, and it's the fault of the Democrats that they can't get anything done on their campaign promises.
They're incapable of governing. How'd that happen? The GOP used to know how to wield power. This generation of them must have gotten elected on their smiles or something.
 
Fiddytree said:
Partly yes, partly no. When the The Republican Party "proactively" tackles an issue, it tends to operate under two generic presumptions:

1) All problems can be dealt with tax cuts or tax credits

2) If not, block grant it

Evidence for #1 and #2 is not really needed.

This is not to say the Democratic Party doesn't have equally facile ways of approaching domestic policy, but on the Republican side, there's a wee bit too much talking point rehearsal involved.
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Like the motto of the incomptent handy-man- if you can't fix it with a hammer, you got an electrical problem.
 
Grand Mal said:
Like the motto of the incomptent handy-man- if you can't fix it with a hammer, you got an electrical problem.
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Sure.

Before a conservative critic comes out of the woodwork, I must also point out that I have always loved Nathan Glazer's point in The Limits of Social Policy: "The liberal stance is: For every problem there is a policy, and even if the problem is new, the social system and polity must be indicted for failing to tackle it earlier. [...] The liberal view further sees vested interests as the chief obstacle to the institution of new social policies."
 
tres borrachos said:
What isn't true in that post?

Have they been promising for years to repeal and replace it? Yes.
Do they have control of all 3 branches today? Yes.
Did they fail to repeal and replace it last year? Yes.

The last line from me was my opinion. Opinions aren't "not true".

Your post is a failure.
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This is a metaphor for what is wrong with Congress and what is going on. They determine that the people have gotten used to Obamacare and want to keep it. So congress says “fine, let’s move on”. Then the squeakers in the media call them “failures”.

No wonder the DACA’s are twisting in the wind as an election issue in 2018.

Fighting and being assholes to each other is more important than compromise.
 
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