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Godless Liberals

And another l-o-n-g winded personal opinion...:congrats:

No more long winded than your links to the personal opinions of JW's. At least this poster put some effort into the post. All you have is links, wise cracks, lol's, and insults. What does it say about judging in your bible?
 
He also condemned praying in public. I don't hear too many homophobes complaining about that tho. :roll:

"Condemned" praying in public? Condemned to hell? That is wrong. What version of the Bible are you using?
 
You are using the word "proven" in a way that deviates from normal definitions.

Not when we all know Genesis is inconsistent with observed, documented reality. That, son, is proof. The rest is just a failure to communicate.

When page 1 is wrong, safe to say:

Bible = Bull****
 
You are using the word "proven" in a way that deviates from normal definitions.


“Pray not like the hypocrites...”

Look it up. He actually bitched about that. Boys kissing, not so much.
 
It's specifically because people pondered and still ponder the problem of explaining reality without filling out our gaps in knowledge by appealing to supernatural beings that your life has become so safe, comfortable and ripe with opportunities. In 1801, when Young performed the first double slit experiment, the man noted the odd behavior of light. Scientists didn't wonder if God made waves out of particles for our amusement. Everyone can make a piece of baloney to force the double slit experiment to fit their quirky view of the world, but that's not how you gain an understanding of things, let alone how you manage to invent better ways to solve the problems we face as human beings.

Science is not a book of statements with missing words where you get to fill in "God" whenever you don't know the explanation. The presumption of the whole project is that you should never fill in the gaps with God. So far, we've benefited immensely from it. The no-nonsense people of this world care about results and science helps to get things done. You can shovel clouds all day if you insist. Meanwhile, the idea that you can get something useful out of looking intensely at facts pans out big time.

You make a huge mistake if you think erroneous theories which contradict the Bible are proven scientifically.
 
Let's try this.

Before Isaac Newton decided that gravity existed, did people float around because there wasn't any gravity?


Nooooooo they did not.

So, if some tribe somewhere in the world had come up with a concept for something they kind of understood, which is what we call gravity now, would you have been able to ask your question but replacing the word "god" with "gravity" or whatever that tribe decided was the word?

Sometimes things explain what we kind of understand, but really don't understand. Sometimes that understanding is later proven false. But this very act is what has propelled humans to be the most intelligent beings we think have even existed on our ball of rock.

Gods have been a powerful force in human society. They have been the police force, the power structure, the unity and many other things.

Harry Potter EXISTS because we as humans have made him exist. He doesn't exist as a human being. He exists as a fictional character. But still exists.

Gods and God exist in a similar manner. But there are many, many definitions for what God or gods are. It's a little difficult to pin it down.

And, just as another little side note, I watch a nice little youtube video similar to this one, YouTube I can't remember the exact name. Anyway, near the end when it's gone from galaxies, to super clusters and then shows a massive web of super clusters and the known universe, we don't know what's out there, and we certainly don't know if there are other universes.

So, how can we know if there's a God or gods out there, outside of the universe? We can't possibly.

Gravity is part of physical reality. God is a concept. The effects of gravity can be physically observed. The concept of god is not observed in any way,it is simply thought about. that god can't be defined further points toward its conceptual nature. It is made up. Gravity is not.
 
Not when we all know Genesis is inconsistent with observed, documented reality. That, son, is proof. The rest is just a failure to communicate.

When page 1 is wrong, safe to say:

Bible = Bull****

Some people would say...DD=Bull****...:2razz:
 
“Pray not like the hypocrites...”

Look it up. He actually bitched about that. Boys kissing, not so much.

I thought we covered this already...how soon you forget...porneia covers that...
 
Gravity is part of physical reality. God is a concept. The effects of gravity can be physically observed. The concept of god is not observed in any way,it is simply thought about. that god can't be defined further points toward its conceptual nature. It is made up. Gravity is not.

Speak for yourself...
 
Yes, how do you eat nothing? How can you not eat cake?

"I am not eating cake right now" is totally impossible. It's literally impossible to not be doing something, isn't it? Because not doing something isn't an action, it's the exact opposite of an action. It's like talking about sculptures with empty spaces.

Negative space - Wikipedia

"Negative space, in art, is the space around and between the subject(s) of an image. Negative space may be most evident when the space around a subject, not the subject itself, forms an interesting or artistically relevant shape, and such space occasionally is used to artistic effect as the "real" subject of an image."

Negative space doesn't exist. But it exists because we decide it exists, like philosophy. The moment all humans die is the moment philosophy stops existing. It only exists because we do.

Same with non-actions having linguistic value.

We are talking linguistics here, and not actual ability to do nothing.

Within language it is possible to not eat something, or eat nothing.

Not believing is not the same as believing something isn't. Not eating is not the same as eating nothing. Linguistically or otherwise. Linguistically eating nothing describes nothing at all. It means as much as this song:


 
Gravity is part of physical reality. God is a concept. The effects of gravity can be physically observed. The concept of god is not observed in any way,it is simply thought about. that god can't be defined further points toward its conceptual nature. It is made up. Gravity is not.

Gravity is a part of physical reality because we've figured it out. It wasn't a part of physical reality before Isaac Newton came along.

God is often used to try and explain a physical reality too. People claim God created the universe. I mean, what did create the universe? We don't know.

Is the concept of God not observed in churches? In people who are spiritual? In the rules of science? Why are the rules of science they way they are? Why does gravity exist? Why does wind blow? Why are there planets and suns? Why are there atoms? And the most difficult question of all, why am I me? If I'm just a biological being, how is it that I can think, how it is that I can experience this life? Surely if I'm just biological matter with electronic impulses and drugs going through my body to change things, why do I actually believe that I am alive?
 
Not believing is not the same as believing something isn't. Not eating is not the same as eating nothing. Linguistically or otherwise. Linguistically eating nothing describes nothing at all. It means as much as this song:




Well I think you're wrong.

You can decide that the English language has a difference between "I believe there isn't a God" and "I don't believe there is a God" if you want. I mean this happens all the time, it's one of the issues of communication. But don't learn Japanese, you'll pull your hair out.
 
I thought we covered this already...how soon you forget...porneia covers that...

No it doesn't. Porneia refers to being unfaithful: cheating.
 
Gravity is a part of physical reality because we've figured it out. It wasn't a part of physical reality before Isaac Newton came along.

God is often used to try and explain a physical reality too. People claim God created the universe. I mean, what did create the universe? We don't know.

Is the concept of God not observed in churches? In people who are spiritual? In the rules of science? Why are the rules of science they way they are? Why does gravity exist? Why does wind blow? Why are there planets and suns? Why are there atoms? And the most difficult question of all, why am I me? If I'm just a biological being, how is it that I can think, how it is that I can experience this life? Surely if I'm just biological matter with electronic impulses and drugs going through my body to change things, why do I actually believe that I am alive?

Gravity was always part of physical reality. God was always a concept. Science does not answer why, it answers how. There does not have to be an answer to the big Why? And god does not really answer it anyway. Why god?
 
Isn't that, like, you know, a good thing?

Well, come to think of it. I may be godless, but I'm probably not quite liberal. I'm not nutso conservative either. So, maybe today, most nutso god people who identify as conservative probably would call me a liberal.

I digress.

Godless is good. Why? Because godless means not believing in ****ing stupid ****. Just saying.



I try to never use the term “Liberal” to describe a Leftist. Up until about the time of FDR it described the exact opposite of what it does today.

The one talent the Collectivist Totalitarian Left has always had is the ability to in an Orwellian Doublespeak Propaganda manner steal and redefine words.

80 years ago, a “Liberal” was an Open-minded Individualist. Today it describes A Totalitarian Powerful Govt desiring Collectivist.
 
I try to never use the term “Liberal” to describe a Leftist. Up until about the time of FDR it described the exact opposite of what it does today.

The one talent the Collectivist Totalitarian Left has always had is the ability to in an Orwellian Doublespeak Propaganda manner steal and redefine words.

80 years ago, a “Liberal” was an Open-minded Individualist. Today it describes A Totalitarian Powerful Govt desiring Collectivist.

lol....that post is ridiculous. But, when words like "collectivist" begin to eat into the prose, I can understand why the posting dry-rot sets in.
 
Well I think you're wrong.

You can decide that the English language has a difference between "I believe there isn't a God" and "I don't believe there is a God" if you want. I mean this happens all the time, it's one of the issues of communication. But don't learn Japanese, you'll pull your hair out.

I will not say I am going to the shop that has no bananas. Nor will I say that I believe there are no gods. There is no such thing as a belief in not a thing.
 
“Pray not like the hypocrites...”

Look it up. He actually bitched about that. Boys kissing, not so much.

Let's take a look at this instead:

22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.
23. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you.
25. And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, not any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27. (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled)
28. That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

Leviticus 18.
 
God does not...Numbers 23:19...

Now when I talk to God you know he understands
He said stick by me and I'll be your guidin' hand
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to
 
No it doesn't. Porneia refers to being unfaithful: cheating.

And I showed you the Greek word means more than that, no matter how often you deny it...
 
Let's take a look at this instead:

22. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.
23. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
24. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you.
25. And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
26. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, not any stranger that sojourneth among you:
27. (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled)
28. That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you.

Leviticus 18.

Levi is not Christian. Try again.

Unless you are ready willing and able to kill your wife and kids for disobeying, it's irrelevant. Now, the Taliban, they probably like it.
 
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