Giuliani says he won't comply with subpoenas from Democrats

[Lord of Planar]

I don't know if you read the conversation you entered, but conservative media, Trump and his mindless army of zombies, and people in this thread are claiming that the subpoenas aren't valid because the full House didn't vote on them. That's not true.

The thread title is "Giuliani says he won't comply with subpoenas from Democrats." It seems to me that when "executive privilege" is in play, it takes more than a committee deciding such matters. That's why I linked the material I did.

 

[Nalu]

you guys want to believe that the american people see this just as you do

wake up

it isnt happening

as long as this is JUST in committees, and the congress as a whole doesnt get involved, it is not a full mandate

and the subpoena's and document requests are going to be ignored

and the american people, the ones these congressmen serve, arent going to hoot and holler about it

once the vote is taken....and there is a CONGRESSIONAL MANDATE then maybe you get the people on your side

you wont know until the vote is taken....the risk is Pelosi's and she knows it

I don't know to tell you, man. You signed up to use a political topics website, but you don't even know how the Congress works. How many countries can you find a map?

If your argument is that the American people aren't supportive of the investigation, well, you're wrong about that too.

And if your argument is that Americans don't think that the ongoing investigation is valid because a vote that was never required hasn't been taken, it is quite possible that lots of Americans are as uneducated as you are. We do consistently rate poorly in world rankings in that regard.

 

[Nalu]

The thread title is "Giuliani says he won't comply with subpoenas from Democrats." It seems to me that when "executive privilege" is in play, it takes more than a committee deciding such matters. That's why I linked the material I did.

I understand why you did. It simply doesn't matter.

 

[Athanasius68]

What does all that you said have to do with Matt Gaetz not being allowed into the room where depositions were being taken?

We are not dealing with criminal issues

 

[Athanasius68]

Yes, there is a mandate. This is how the House works. Why are so many people acting so ignorant all of a sudden? Or did they all really never know how our government works?

Committees never need House approval to do their work. That's why we have committees in the first place. Because Congress has too much to do for the full body in both chambers to take up every issue. Committees consider specific tasks. If they pass legislation or a resolution or impeachment articles, then the full House bothers with it. Not before.

So which committee has the specific task of "impeachment"?

 

[Athanasius68]

I may be wrong, but Giuliani is not required to turn over documents unless it comes from a house vote. So unless Pelosi puts the matter to a vote of the house, the subpoena has no teeth. It's nothing more than a publicity stunt.

it has no teeth unless Pelosi takes it to court.
At that point, it can be fought.

 

[Nalu]

So which committee has the specific task of "impeachment"?

I know where you're headed. Judiciary will write the eventual impeachment articles, if any, and vote on them. If they pass, the full House will then vote on them. In the meantime, the speaker tasked a number of committees (6, I think) with various aspects of the investigation.

 

[Casper]

The thread title is "Giuliani says he won't comply with subpoenas from Democrats." It seems to me that when "executive privilege" is in play, it takes more than a committee deciding such matters. That's why I linked the material I did.

Umm, does executive privilege apply to private citizens, which Rudy is, he is a private citizen, period. Me thinks Rudy has a harsh future ahead if him as have several other trump sycophants and more will. The 5th won't keep him out of jail so maybe it will be time for a Little Deal, New Yorkers love a deal, right?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Umm, does executive privilege apply to private citizens, which Rudy is, he is a private citizen, period. Me thinks Rudy has a harsh future ahead if him as have several other trump sycophants and more will. The 5th won't keep him out of jail so maybe it will be time for a Little Deal, New Yorkers love a deal, right?

He is part of the presidents executive staff.

 

[Casper]

He is part of the presidents executive staff.

Wrong, he holds no official title, he is Trump's personal lawyer. Going to jail

 

[HumblePi]

We are not dealing with criminal issues

Trump denied that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Putin told him so, he believed Putin. Two years of that investigation and Trump has not learned that it's against the law to interfere with our free elections and yet.... he tried doing it AGAIN by extortion Ukraine to help him pull it off. This man is lawless and without a conscience. He should be in prison for the rest of this life along with the rest of his greedy self-serving offspring.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Wrong, he holds no official title, he is Trump's personal lawyer. Going to jail

What is he being subpoenaed for? If he is in possession of WH documents, aren't they the presidents, and isn't that lawyer/client privilege of the executive office?

 

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[Obscurity]

According to Lindsey Graham, Trump absolutely should be impeached for directing people to not comply with subpoenas.

If Lindsey said it it must be so!

 

[Casper]

What is he being subpoenaed for? If he is in possession of WH documents, aren't they the presidents, and isn't that lawyer/client privilege of the executive office?

Nope, just some simple to the point questions, Under Oath, like WTF were you doing in the Ukraine and other European countries on the following dates, tell us a story, me thinks that will do.

 

[Casper]

According to Lindsey Graham, Trump absolutely should be impeached for directing people to not comply with subpoenas.

If Lindsey said it it must be so!

The term is Obstruction of Justice, oh my.

 

[Athanasius68]

I know where you're headed. Judiciary will write the eventual impeachment articles, if any, and vote on them. If they pass, the full House will then vote on them. In the meantime, the speaker tasked a number of committees (6, I think) with various aspects of the investigation.

That isn't quite what I asked.

 

[Athanasius68]

Trump denied that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Putin told him so, he believed Putin.

Two years of that investigation and Trump has not learned that it's against the law to interfere with our free elections and yet.... he tried doing it AGAIN

How does Trump do it AGAIN when he didnt do it the first time?

by extortion Ukraine to help him pull it off.

Whether an investigation into the Russia probe is a political problem for the Democrats is irrelevant to the investigation.

 

[Lord of Planar]

How does Trump do it AGAIN when he didnt do it the first time?



Whether an investigation into the Russia probe is a political problem for the Democrats is irrelevant to the investigation.

It's called confirmation bias.

 

[Kreton]

Rudy will need a new lawyer.....

Giuliani parting ways with attorney who was helping on impeachment matters - CNNPolitics

He knows he'll just be pardoned.

 

[Nalu]

That isn't quite what I asked.

It's exactly what you asked.

 

[Nalu]

He is part of the presidents executive staff.

No, he isn't. He's the president's personal attorney.

 

[Athanasius68]

It's exactly what you asked.

No. I asked which committee is in charge of "impeachment"?
I asked that in response to the comment that commitees have specific assisgnments.

 

[Nalu]

No. I asked which committee is in charge of "impeachment"?
I asked that in response to the comment that commitees have specific assisgnments.

And I answered you. Judiciary is responsible for the articles of impeachment. Five other committees are involved in the investgation, I believe.

 

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