Girl Dies After Shooting Over Video Game Controller[W169]

[Nilly]

Correct response: your home is less safe when your firearms are not stored safely with the intent of isolating them from children.

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Fair point. Of course, 'firearms not being stored safely' is, by definition, a subset of 'having guns in the home'.

The problem here, is that the form itself is fine. Adjudicated mentally ill is a perfectly acceptable line. The problem is that many on the right and left have a difficulty understanding that most times diagnosis by itself is not an appropriate reason to deny a Constitutional right.

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I agree - mental illness isn't necessarily an appropriate reason to restrict a person.

 

[Nilly]

If you stopped there we would have agreed. But the FACT is (as have been CLEARLY pointed out to you numerous) that the presence of firearms does not dictate violent and even fatal response. It is every bit as likely that this particular 9 year old would have acted in a similar violent manner with a separate means. But you ignore reality because it doesnt fit your agenda.

Again, then why keep guns away from kids at all? If a kids is just as likely to use an iPad to kill his sister as his parents hand gun, why do both sides of the argument insist that it's responsible to keep firearms locked away where they can't be used accidently?

 

[VanceMack]

Strawman.



*yawn* you stilll really want to play the 'quote random 10 year old article' game? I promise you I'll win 10x over.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/us/chicago-boy-accidentally-shoots-brother/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...0913d68eacb_story.html?utm_term=.126f006f2f8c
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-other-victim-of-an-accidental-shooting/
3-year-old girl accidentally shot and killed by sibling, sources say - Story | WTTG
6-year-old accidentally shot to death with siblings inside NW Houston apartment | abc13.com
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...er-before-turning-the-gun-on-himself-20180204
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...d/news-story/f7646206b738d8afc2620ecb05707b08
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article191273979.html

Clearly, all psychopaths who need to be sectioned, that would have turned to bowling balls and iron pokers to carry out their deeds had they not had access to guns.

Yeah, I'm the one with 'real world' issues. You're the one who's been watching too many horror movies, who believes that kids around the country are simply time bombs waiting to go off and kill their family members.

Does the fact that people use guns to commit murders negate the FACT that people use other fatal means to commit murders? You see...that IS the point...isnt it?

 

[VanceMack]

Again, then why keep guns away from kids at all? If a kids is just as likely to use an iPad to kill his sister as his parents hand gun, why do both sides of the argument insist that it's responsible to keep firearms locked away where they can't be used accidently?

Because it IS responsible to keep firearms secured. But does that prevent the commission of violent murderous acts? Its comical...you avoid the reality that people commit murders by means OTHER than firearms (even children) but then like a moth driven only by your anti-gun rhetoric you fly blindly right into the flame of truth (that sounds poetic!)

 

[VanceMack]

I love how laypersons like to discover history when convenient. But despite the ignorant default to using the Munich Agreement, the world is full of negotiations that move society forward.

And there is no need to "comply" with anti-gun leftists. Gun owners merely need to pull their collective heads out from the their collective ass and recognize that we are allowing the more irresponsible of our society **** all over the Amendment that we declare to want to protect. In case you haven't noticed, because it exists beyond your partisan hackery, the "anti-gun" crowd is growing; and it is growing because we refuse to get out ahead. Planned preemption is always better than reaction.

Of course, we could just keep comparing Leftists to Hitler. With gun owners cutting their ARs in half, companies abandoning the NRA, the NRA's greatest investor company demanding a change in attitude, and even Trump declaring that the GOP is petrified of the NRA, things are looking way up for the gun nut crowd.

All the left need is more people like you willing to swallow that **** brownie and before long you will make Feinsteins dreams come true.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Link is behind a paywall, so maybe this question I'm about to ask was answered in it.

Where the **** were their parents? And why the **** did a 13 year old have access to a gun?

You can get the basics from the BBC at Video console death: US boy, 9, 'kills sister, 13, over controller'

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I blame the parents far more than I do a 9 year old boy having an argument with his sister.

Who do you blame for a 9 year-old thinking that it was OK to shoot other people over a video controller?

<sarc>Maybe there should be "background checks" for everyone in the household where firearms are kept</sarc>

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

This a horrible story. But to open a thread pushing the anti gun agenda based on this event is dishonest.

Quite right "Now is not the time to talk about 'gun control'.".

[NOTE - "Gun control" includes looking at the reasons why people think that it is "appropriate" to shoot other people over video games.]

 

[jet57]

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/03/18/us/ap-us-sibling-shooting-video-game.html



Jesus, what an absolutely tragic story. Yet more evidence to suggest that, actually, your family is less safe with firearms in the house than without. A reminder that guns, (unlike swimming pools), have the potential to escalate situations in a deadly manner.

I wouldn't wish this on any parent (or child) in the world - but I sincerely hope that the parents are taking full responsibility for their negligence in leaving an unsecured firearm in their home.

edit: Link appears to be behind a paywall for some so found a couple others:

Sheriff: Girl shot by boy dies

Girl Shot In The Head By Her Brother During Argument Over Video Game Controller

More "stupid people with guns" and two more parent who should be locked up.

 

[j-mac]

Again, then why keep guns away from kids at all? If a kids is just as likely to use an iPad to kill his sister as his parents hand gun, why do both sides of the argument insist that it's responsible to keep firearms locked away where they can't be used accidently?

Because that IS the responsible thing to do....Kids are curious, as a trained (by the US military) in the handling, storage, and proficency of weapon ownership, I can tell you that when my children were small there is NO way I would have left my weapons accessible to them....

 

[j-mac]

Quite right "Now is not the time to talk about 'gun control'.".

[NOTE - "Gun control" includes looking at the reasons why people think that it is "appropriate" to shoot other people over video games.]

Where in the world did you get that from what I posted? Alinsky tactics don't work on me....Try again.

 

[Nilly]

Does the fact that people use guns to commit murders negate the FACT that people use other fatal means to commit murders? You see...that IS the point...isnt it?

Right back at you with the reverse.

 

[j-mac]

More "stupid people with guns" and two more parent who should be locked up.

I won't disagree with you here...The parents,(gun owners) were indeed irresponsible, neglegent with their weapons in this case, and should answer for that.

 

[jet57]

I won't disagree with you here...The parents,(gun owners) were indeed irresponsible, neglegent with their weapons in this case, and should answer for that.

There's just far too much stupidity with guns going on in this country. Jailing some parents and putting an albatross around their necks until a kid is 21 should go along way to help solve this stuff.

 

[j-mac]

There's just far too much stupidity with guns going on in this country. Jailing some parents and putting an albatross around their necks until a kid is 21 should go along way to help solve this stuff.

Absolutely, IOW, enforce the existing law.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

How about we just take it as read that whenever a tragic shooting results from a legal owner's sloppiness, ...

If you make that "How about we just take it as read that whenever a tragic shooting results from a legal owner's sloppiness, AND a child thinking that it was appropriate to shoot people who didn't do what you wanted them to do." then we are in complete agreement.

The laws address the first half.

What addresses the second half?

If the child had NOT thought that it was appropriate to shoot people who didn't do what you wanted them to do, would the parent's "sloppiness" have mattered at all?

 

[Nilly]

Because it IS responsible to keep firearms secured. But does that prevent the commission of violent murderous acts? Its comical...you avoid the reality that people commit murders by means OTHER than firearms (even children) but then like a moth driven only by your anti-gun rhetoric you fly blindly right into the flame of truth (that sounds poetic!)

Because that IS the responsible thing to do....Kids are curious, as a trained (by the US military) in the handling, storage, and proficency of weapon ownership, I can tell you that when my children were small there is NO way I would have left my weapons accessible to them....

I completely agree that guns should be stored safely! What I don't understand is the supposed rhetoric that if any old item lying around can and will be used as a weapon by these child psychopaths in lieu of a gun (e.g. fire pokers, bowling balls etc) why bother locking guns away and not fire pokers? The answer is shockingly obvious, it is far more likely that a gun is accidently used to kill someone than a bowling ball or fire poker.

 

[trixare4kids]

Seems to me that this is a shooting that clearly could have been prevented.
Here's a federal law that makes sense enacting... One wants to own a gun/guns, owner has to have a gun safe with a secure lock in place.

This young boy managed to get into a nightstand in the bedroom where they were playing a video game. He then proceeded to come up behind his sister shooting her in the head.
So careless of the parents, such a preventable death.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Ah, another person in the '9 year old kid having an argument with his sister must be a psychopath/loonie/criminal' camp.

Tell me, exactly how common do you think psychosis is in America?

Dividing the total population by the number of homicides you get the rough number of 1 in 18,500 (or, approximately 0.0054%) which is a number so statistically insignificant that it can be ignored.

Right?

 

[Goshin]

Ah, another person in the '9 year old kid having an argument with his sister must be a psychopath/loonie/criminal' camp.

Tell me, exactly how common do you think psychosis is in America?

We have plenty of kids having arguments... even occasional fistfights.

We also have guns.

What we (my extended family) don't have is kids shooting each other... or indeed anyone shooting anyone. Not for as far back as I'm aware of (which is quite a long time) among an extended family of over 120 people.

There's a reason for that. Personally I think it is in how we raise children.

 

[Nilly]

Who do you blame for a 9 year-old thinking that it was OK to shoot other people over a video controller?

<sarc>Maybe there should be "background checks" for everyone in the household where firearms are kept</sarc>

I don't think the 9 year old thought it ok. I think that the 9 year old did simply did not understand how dangerous a gun was, nor the consequences of what he was doing.

 

[Lursa]

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/03/18/us/ap-us-sibling-shooting-video-game.html



Jesus, what an absolutely tragic story. Yet more evidence to suggest that, actually, your family is less safe with firearms in the house than without. A reminder that guns, (unlike swimming pools), have the potential to escalate situations in a deadly manner.

I wouldn't wish this on any parent (or child) in the world - but I sincerely hope that the parents are taking full responsibility for their negligence in leaving an unsecured firearm in their home.

edit: Link appears to be behind a paywall for some so found a couple others:

Sheriff: Girl shot by boy dies

Girl Shot In The Head By Her Brother During Argument Over Video Game Controller

Dont tell me or other people how we're safer or not.

Parents are ****ty everywhere. I guess there should be no pools then either?

I live alone on rural property. I have training. Nothing will magically protect me but my gun is not a liability to my safety.

Here's another example for you...maybe cops shouldnt be armed anymore either?

Here in Marysville, WA, cop left his 2 kids in their van while he went into store. 7 yr old son got his gun from glove compartment and killed his 3 yr old sister.

Stupid and irresponsible are stupid and irresponsible. And kids suffer for it. People should stop screaming for licensing guns and try to license parents.

 

[B'smith]

Geezus. How very sad.

And 9 year old boys fight with their sisters all the time. Luckily most of them don't have access to guns to do something about the fight.

My 2 brothers & I fought frequently, had access to loaded firearms but never considered shooting each other.

Of course that was before the advent of violent video games that desensitize kids to killing.


"Top 10 Violent Crimes Tied To Video Games"
Top 10 Violent Crimes Tied To Video Games - Listverse
EXCERPT "With that being said, video games have a long and disturbing history of being tied to violent criminals and have even been touted as the direct inspirations for some of the most heinous crimes that the world has ever seen. These are some of the most infamous crimes tied to video games."CONTINUED

 

[Lursa]

You're right. If the boy here didn't have access to a gun he would only have found a different weapon. He probably would have made a fertilizer bomb or drove a truck through her bedroom or something. These evil people always find a way

It would have been easy enough to bash her over the head with something or stab her. Blame that little ****er & his parents, not the gun.

 

[Goshin]

To add to the above... I don't know the family involved. I don't know how they raise their kids.

I don't know if they teach them about guns and gun safety from an early age like we do.

I don't know if they normally keep their guns locked up if not in the hands of a responsible adult, as I do.

I don't know if they did what many do, which is have guns but not let the kids touch them or shoot them or learn about them in a safe way and understand the lethality and finality of it all.


But given that there there are 60-90 million households with guns, if it was entirely a 'gun problem' then I expect this would be far more common than it is, in a nation of 330 million.


Guns don't make people "suddenly snap" and kill. The capacity to kill in a fit of passion has to already be there, and as other stories illustrate may latch on to any available "tool" for the purpose, such as a kitchen knife.

This view that people are just walking time bombs waiting to erupt and kill someone if a gun is available is a very pessimistic view of human nature, self-control and the capacity to reason.... so much so that it makes me wonder if those who believe this is universal are projecting their own fears of their own lack of self-control onto others.