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George Zimmerman sues Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren over tweets honouring Trayvon Martin

This would be lying on your part becasue you can not support what you claim or dispute the factual information presented.
^^ Another of your lies. I have supported my factual assertions, and my opinions, unlike yours, are supported by actual evidence.
Opinion.
Looking into the homes was sufficient a reason for the police to respond.
While not dispositive, looking into homes has the appearance of wrongful conduct.
Who said Martin was looking into homes? Zimmerman didn’t say that in the recording, and nobody else reported witnessing that.
Based on the audio recording? iLOL The noise on the phone was generated by the wind, not running. Such noise can be heard on the Zimmerman walk-through video also though he was not running. It was also the wind.
Flat out lie. Immediately following Zimmerman telling the call taker that Martin was running (away), there was the sound of him getting out of his truck, very noticeably louder wind noise and Zimmerman breathing loudly. When the call taker asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin, Zimmerman replies “yeah”.

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Those facts make clear that Zimmerman did run after Martin.
Looking into homes is not minding his own business. Period.
So just another absurd claim by you.
Again, nobody asserted that Martin was looking into homes.

Even if Martin had been looking into his father’s neighbors homes as he walked along the sidewalk, that would only be suspicious to those who are already suspicious of young black guys. If a middle aged white white guy like me did exactly the same thing, nobody would even notice.
A minor? He was old enough to be emancipated and serve in the military.
Trayvon Martin was a 17 year old minor. A non debatable fact.
:lamo This is the actual evidence, not my perspective.
Lie. It is entirely your perspective.

As the facts of the case proved, Martin had a legitimate right to be where he was the night Zimmerman killed him.
Looking-out for his neighborhood is not just his business but it is prudent.
If that’s what Zimmerman did, Martin wouldn’t have been killed.
Wrong as usual.
Clearly, it’s you who has been consistently wrong.
Either you misspelled preceded or you are just wrong on all counts as usual.
No misspell. Everything I’ve posted is correct and supported by facts.

You should review all of your lies and obvious biased based opinions from throughout our conversation and then take a look at yourself in the mirror.
 
Wrong as usual.

Really? What did he go out doing? With his gun. Just a nice stroll around a bad neighborhood like we all do every week?

He went out to play cop and be a "hero." He was looking for trouble because hiw could he ge a hero otherwise?
 
Really? What did he go out doing? With his gun. Just a nice stroll around a bad neighborhood like we all do every week?


He went out to play cop and be a "hero." He was looking for trouble because hiw could he ge a hero otherwise?
Wrong as usual.
He was on his way to the store when he spotted a person acting suspiciously.
He then called the police on that person while keeping him under observation.
That i s not going out to "play cop", "be a hero" or looking for trouble. It is acting prudently to what was a person acting suspiciously.
 
Wrong as usual.
He was on his way to the store when he spotted a person acting suspiciously.
He then called the police on that person while keeping him under observation.
That i s not going out to "play cop", "be a hero" or looking for trouble. It is acting prudently to what was a person acting suspiciously.

Oh please. That is some first class bull crap there
 
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No one, let alone me, has ignored the fact that Trayvon is a dead body. Especially as it has to continually be pointed out to those like you that his death is the result of his actions in criminally attacking another person.


Here you are being wrong again.
1. By Rachel Jeantel's testimony it was Treyvon who confronted Zimmerman.
2. They did not test Trayvon's hands for Zimmerman's DNA. What an absurdly dumb comment by you which again shows you do not know enough about this case to even be discussing it.

I have no idea what your stake in this issue is, insisting that Travon caused his own death, and that HE is the criminal. You must have your reasons, you spend enough time trying to dispute any other statements.

For your edification, they did in fact test for Zimmerman's DNA on Martin. And for Martin's DNA on the gun. That was reported by the hated main stream media, so it probably doesn't fit the story line. Since you are unaware of this you must not know enough about the case to be discussing it.

Evidence submitted at George Zimmerman’s murder trial Wednesday showed none of his DNA under Trayvon Martin’s fingernails, and none of Martin’s DNA on the gun the neighborhood watch volunteer used to kill the unarmed teenager.

Zimmerman murder trial: Trayvon Martin'''s DNA not on the gun, expert testifies - Los Angeles Times
 
Wrong.


Is that what you think? Hilarious. :lamo


No. Pursued does not fit as it entails a purpose that is not exhibited here.
Followed is the appropriate word and that was only for a very short distance.


Wrong.

1.It was not a dispatcher. It was a non-emergency number call-taker.
2. At no time did anyone tell him "not to" follow. Based on your replies you already know this, so you are just engaged in dishonesty.
A suggestion was made that they did not need him to follow. That is the extent of it, a suggestion, nothing more.



Your commentary here as well as your use of "pursuit" suggests you are a sock of a banned person.
Regardless; Your absurd ill-informed opinion here is irrelevant to Zimmerman getting his head slammed into the ground and his acting in self defense to it.


Wrong on both counts.
Nothing indicated he wanted to catch the guy. Nor was there any pursuit on Zimmerman's behalf but there was on Trayvon's part.
He pursued Zimmerman and attacked him.


iLOL That is nothing to keep in mind.
As Zimmerman clarified, it was similar to skipping off.


Commentary that is as wrong as it is stupid.

Trayvon on the other hand did engage in pursuit. He turned around, proceeded to the area he had already left, caught and attacked Zimmerman who was not following at that time but was instead heading back to his vehicle.


Oh look. More stupid nonsense that is as wrong as it is bs.


I'm not going to roll around in the mud with you. I am a conservative, pro 2nd Amendment, CCW holder who ADVOCATES for the right of every law abiding citizen to carry a gun for their personal protection. George Zimmerman is loony bird FOOL and is NOT the high watermark of who should represent 2nd Amendment rights. He stands as the perfect example of what gun grabbers point to as why people should not be given CCWs. Zimmerman was a fool before he killed Martin and has demonstrated more idiotic behavior since. A lame brained loose cannon who was wrong about Martin, didn't want him to "get away", and when he got out of his car to find Martin he brought his gun to a potential conflict that he had no compelling need to do so. Nobody was in peril, and the police were already on their way.

If Zimmerman is your hero, good for you.
 
First let me apologize to Court Jester, JMR, RaleBulgarian & rocket88 for this tardy response.
I had my response to your lame denials the last time I logged in and for some reason forgot to post them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Luckily for me, I had them saved to txt.





Oh please. That is some first class bull crap there
Wrong as usual.
You were provided factual information regardless if you like it or not.
 
Another of your lies.
You are projecting.
Your claims have been untrue and unsupported as already pointed out.


I have supported my factual assertions, and my opinions, unlike yours, are supported by actual evidence.
You are engaged in lying.


Who said Martin was looking into homes? Zimmerman didn’t say that in the recording, and nobody else reported witnessing that.
So you are again confirming you do not know enough of this case to even be discussing it.
It is in his sworn statement given to police that same night.


Flat out lie. Immediately following Zimmerman telling the call taker that Martin was running (away), there was the sound of him getting out of his truck, very noticeably louder wind noise and Zimmerman breathing loudly.
You are imagining running and loud breathing.

Again, it was windy that night. That is what you hear, just as you hear the same noise the following day in the walk-through video.


When the call taker asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin, Zimmerman replies “yeah”.

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Omg, you finally got something correct.


Those facts make clear that Zimmerman did run after Martin.
No.
You are adding your own supposition as to what those facts mean.
As you have already been told, that was wind noise. That is fact. Wind noise also happened during Zimmerman's walk-through video where he was only walking.
That is fact.
Zimmerman stated he walked at that point in the incident. That is evidence. This evidence is supported by the next day's walk-through video showing that such noise is made by the wind.
It was 14 seconds from the moment he got out of his vehicle to the point where he said "okay" to the suggestion that they did not need him to follow.


Again, nobody asserted that Martin was looking into homes.
Wrong.


Even if Martin had been looking into his father’s neighbors homes as he walked along the sidewalk, that would only be suspicious to those who are already suspicious of young black guys. If a middle aged white white guy like me did exactly the same thing, nobody would even notice.
Wrong.
1. Not his father's neighbor. Community neighbors of the women his father was staying with.
2. He was not walking along a sidewalk, but up in the grassy area.
3, A middle age white guy? No. If an unfamiliar middle age white guy was up on the grass, looking into homes that have in the recent past been burglarized, and looking around while not trying to get get out of the rain, that too would look suspicious and likely generate a similar call to police. So stop with the racist bs.


Trayvon Martin was a 17 year old minor. A non debatable fact.
Spin based in colloquialism.
A minor is; "a person who is not yet old enough to have the rights of an adult". Trayvon was a young adult old enough to be emancipated and serve in the military. That is fact.

Lie. It is entirely your perspective.
In this case there is no way you do not know you are being dishonest. So yes, lie fits.


As the facts of the case proved, Martin had a legitimate right to be where he was the night Zimmerman killed him.
iLOL Besides having no such right to be up on the grass looking into the homes, irrelevant. Zimmerman also had the right to be where he was, he also had the right to act in self defense to Trayvon's criminal attack.


If that’s what Zimmerman did, Martin wouldn’t have been killed.
Irrelevant to Zimmerman's right to act in self defense.


Clearly, it’s you who has been consistently wrong.
As previously shown, as well as currently, you are wrong and being dishonest.


You should review all of your lies and obvious biased based opinions from throughout our conversation and then take a look at yourself in the mirror.
Stop projecting.
What I have stated has been true and correct and you have yet to show anything has been wrong.


Bull**** and bias is all Excon has.
Besides being wrong as usual, you are projecting.
 
For your edification, they did in fact test for Zimmerman's DNA on Martin. [...]

Zimmerman murder trial: Trayvon Martin'''s DNA not on the gun, expert testifies - Los Angeles Times
:allhail
I believed we were speaking about his hands in general (like his bruised knuckles), but becasue I lacked specificity in my argument I will admit that my commentary was wrong.
I am not often wrong, but when I am, I admit it. I was wrong and you were correct on this specific of Zimmerman's DNA.

Here are relevant links.
Zimmerman's DNA being taken on the Police station interrogation video
The Crime Lab analyst's testimony
Evidence that I knew his DNA was tested. An argument that was specific in regards to the DNA testing.

Again.
I was wrong and you were correct on this specific regarding testing for Zimmerman's DNA.

But if you think you gained any ground in regards to anything else you have said, you would be sorely mistaken. Sans the DNA commentary, you were wrong in several of your comments as pointed out in post #678.
Wrong that it was a police dispatcher.
Wrong that that was the extent of your errors
Wrong in saying Zimmerman was told to remain in his car
Wrong in saying he was told to get into his car
Wrong in saying he was told not to follow
Wrong in claiming he was playing super hero
Wrong in claiming stalking
etc...​

With that said.
A presence of foreign DNA under the nails would indicate defense, there being none under Trayvon's nails would be consistent with him being the attacker.

The incident happened in the rain. After being shot, Trayvon lay face down on the wet grass until he was flipped over for resuscitation efforts, he was then covered after that effort failed. Later his cloths were put away in evidence bags while wet.
Lack of positive results for Zimmerman's DNA is basically as irrelevant as the lack of Trayvon's DNA on the gun is.
While there was mixed DNA that could not include/exclude either regardless of the reason, we have eyewitnesses that put Trayvon on top of Zimmerman, and all of Zimmerman's injuries that were seen moments after they were inflicted, not just by the neighbor who came out, but by the Officer who arrived moments after the shooting.


I have no idea what your stake in this issue is, insisting that Travon caused his own death, and that HE is the criminal. You must have your reasons, you spend enough time trying to dispute any other statements.
Thinking I have a stake in arguing the evidence of a case is absurd.







I'm not going to roll around in the mud with you. I am a conservative, pro 2nd Amendment, CCW holder who ADVOCATES for the right of every law abiding citizen to carry a gun for their personal protection.
Irrelevant.


George Zimmerman is loony bird FOOL and is NOT the high watermark of who should represent 2nd Amendment rights. He stands as the perfect example of what gun grabbers point to as why people should not be given CCWs.
Wrong on all counts. His actions that night were not just justified but prudent as well.


Zimmerman was a fool before he killed Martin and has demonstrated more idiotic behavior since. A lame brained loose cannon who was wrong about Martin, didn't want him to "get away",
Opinionated nonsense.


and when he got out of his car to find Martin he brought his gun to a potential conflict that he had no compelling need to do so.
Irrelevant nonsense. Regardless if he was armed or not, he was trying to keep the suspicious person under observation until the police arrived.
Everything else is Trayvon's doing.


Nobody was in peril,
Except for Zimmerman when he was attacked by Trayvon.


and the police were already on their way.
Because Zimmerman called them on a person acting suspiciously.


If Zimmerman is your hero, good for you.
:lamo
You seem to confuse zeal in arguing evidence and the legalities of the issues with thinking a person is a hero.
That is an indication of how you think of things, not how someone else thinks of things.
 
Besides being wrong, you misstate reality and only confirm you are not engaged in rational thought.


You know not of what you speak.


Wrong as usual.

Your complete inability to back up your opinions with FACTS...is duly noted.

My points are not really in question, here. Your empty, substance-free rebuttals are.

I've read through your arguments in this thread. They fluctuate from shallow to vapid, to put it mildly.

If you can't back up your opinions with objective FACTS, DATA and/or REFERENCES...they're just ignorant opinions. Furthermore, if you can't interpret data well, you really should refrain from citing it in order to rationalize what are clearly ideology-based opinions.

Feel free to engage more substantively, whenever you're prepared to do so.
 
Your complete inability to back up your opinions with FACTS...is duly noted.
Stop projecting.
You haven't had the facts.


My points are not really in question, here. Your empty, substance-free rebuttals are.
Wrong again.


:laughat:
I've read through your arguments in this thread. They fluctuate from shallow to vapid, to put it mildly.
You are projecting again.


If you can't back up your opinions with objective FACTS, DATA and/or REFERENCES...they're just ignorant opinions. Furthermore, if you can't interpret data well, you really should refrain from citing it in order to rationalize what are clearly ideology-based opinions.

Feel free to engage more substantively, whenever you're prepared to do so.
Says you, the person who has yet to back their crap up. :lamo


But let's address the crap you previously spewed.


It is, therefore, fairly safe to surmise that...after all the passage of time, pretty much the only people who still look at the Zimmerman murder
Irrational emotive nonsense. Trayvon was killed in self defense. He was not murdered.


of Martin and refer to the black kid with no criminal record and no history of violence as the "thug"...are entitled conservative white guys with "issues" about race.
Wrong.
He has a history of fighting and of criminal activity.


The only "thug" in that confrontation was the killer.
Wrong a usual.
The only thug in that incident was Trayvon who acted out in a criminal and aggressive manner.


:laughat:
Zimmerman had a criminal record at the time (multiple incidents including assaulting a police officer)...had also been accused of domestic violence twice before killing Trayvon Martin...and was charged again for following a motorist and pointing a hand gun at him...and was caught selling a painting of the American flag (for $100,000+ on ebay) that was later found to be a copy of a stock image picture on the Shutterstock stock photo site (Zimmerman never gave the money back because he never claimed his painting was an original work)....then sold the handgun used to murder Martin on public auction for $250,000 to a white supremacist...and whose twitter account is filled with vile imagery and racial bigotry (including references to President Obama as "an ignorant baboon").
Biased irrational nonsense.
A criminal record? A very biased interpretation of a criminal record, especially as a conviction is what usually dictates a criminal record. In Zimmerman's case it was a one time incident where he came to the defense of a friend against an aggressor (noble behavior) who turned out to be a LEO, where the charges were eventually dismissed. Multiple incidents? No.
Accused of domestic violence? Irrelevant to his being attacked by Trayvon, and as nothign came from the allegations - irrational bs to even bring up.
Charged again for following a motorist and pointing a hand gun at him? Charged? iLOL No. Accused, and the police were unable to confirm the accusation from the surveillance video. And that person doing the accusing (Matthew Apperson) later acted out criminally against Zimmerman and was charged and found guilty of attempted murder. Apperson was literally everything that Zimmerman's detractors claimed Zimmerman was.
Caught selling a painting? :lamo Another hilariously irrational claim by you. He was not "caught". He legitimately sold a painting that was of his own hand and did not entail a violation of any law.
Sold handgun? iLOL 1. Yes he sold it. 2. It was not used to murder anyone. That is a lie on your part. 3. Who it was sold to matters not one bit.

All you have is irrational nonsense.


Trayvon Martin, on the other hand, was a 17 year old teenager with dreams of becoming a pilot and with no criminal history or history of "thugish" behavior, whatsoever. His "mistake" was wearing a hoodie while being black (in a largely gated, predominately white community).
You bought into bs.


If you "good" people couldn't see who the "thug" was , back in 2012, there is no excuse for still perpetuating it today.
Trayvon was the thug.


That leaves very few reasonable explanations, other than ignorance and bigotry on the part of those who do.
Yes. That is clearly what you are engaged in.


so it's safe to say that the time has long-passed for emotions to have subsided enough for rational minds to take over.
As the above shows, you failed to demonstrate any such thing and those with the rational thoughts about the case had it right from the beginning.
Trayvon acted out in a criminally aggressive manner and was legally shot in self defense.​
 
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