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George Zimmerman sues Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren over tweets honouring Trayvon Martin

Mason66 said:
There had been burglaries in the area.

A stranger is looking into the windows of houses that weren't his.

I would say that was probable cause.
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I claim no expertise, but that could be applied to nearly anyone on the street at the time. Get a police office to confirm that would work as probable cause, and then maybe you'll have something.


How would the officer announced himself when Martin ran? Martin then circled back and jumped Zimmerman. You think nothing would have happened the same why exactly?
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You think they would have called in an APB for the kid that ran off before they could make contact? Bring out the bloodhounds? Nope, they'd move on to the next stop, maybe keep that kid in the back of their minds for next time they're in the area. Zimmerman could have done the same, with better results all around.


It doesn't matter what Martin had on him. If he jumps a cop to the cop has every right to defend himself just like Zimmerman did.
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You're not going to find me saying differently. Martin absolutely made mistakes, and the jury got it correctly. That said, Martin didn't create the situation, he was thrust into it unawares, and reacted poorly. Zimmerman created the situation and escalated it at every stage, even when advised against it.
 
JasperL said:
What no one is doing is actually quoting Obama. There's a reason for that.
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Here you go.

“I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this,” Mr. Obama said. “All of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how does something like this happen.”

“Obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through,” Mr. Obama said, his face grim. “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

“You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,”

“I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

“I’m the head of the executive branch, and the attorney general reports to me,” Mr. Obama said. “So I’ve got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we’re not impairing any investigation that’s taking place right now.”

He didn't realize, I guess, that his previous statements had already influenced the case.
 
snakestretcher said:
I meant while he was being stalked. What crime had he committed, walking around a neighbourhood? Walking while black?
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Looking in windows of houses that were not his. Anybody would want to know why that stranger is doing that.
 
WillyPete said:
I claim no expertise, but that could be applied to nearly anyone on the street at the time. Get a police office to confirm that would work as probable cause, and then maybe you'll have something.




You think they would have called in an APB for the kid that ran off before they could make contact? Bring out the bloodhounds? Nope, they'd move on to the next stop, maybe keep that kid in the back of their minds for next time they're in the area. Zimmerman could have done the same, with better results all around.




You're not going to find me saying differently. Martin absolutely made mistakes, and the jury got it correctly. That said, Martin didn't create the situation, he was thrust into it unawares, and reacted poorly. Zimmerman created the situation and escalated it at every stage, even when advised against it.
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If Martin ran off, you think the police are going to just walk away? The running off would be seen as a guilty action and they would have looked for him further, which is what Zimmerman did.

Did you know Zimmerman was walking back to his vehicle when Martin jumped him? As far as Zimmerman was concerned, it was over for him, but not for Martin.
 
snakestretcher said:
So what; is that against the law? I do it all the time when I'm on a train or bus. Arrest me.
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With the history of burglaries in the area it is suspicious, which is why Zimmerman followed him to see what he was doing.

Is this something you really don't understand?
 
JasperL said:
What no one is doing is actually quoting Obama. There's a reason for that.
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I agree with that. The president did indirectly use his position to have the investigation opened.



I'll bet he was on the phone with the governor before this press conference, directing him to.
 
snakestretcher said:
So what; is that against the law? I do it all the time when I'm on a train or bus. Arrest me.
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You can do that all that you want. But if some racist, Like Trayvon Martin, asks you what you are doing and you attack him, he has every right, by law, to defend himself.
 
Mason66 said:
Here you go.

“I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this,” Mr. Obama said. “All of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how does something like this happen.”

“Obviously, this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through,” Mr. Obama said, his face grim. “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids.”

“You know, if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon,”

“I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves, and we are going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”

“I’m the head of the executive branch, and the attorney general reports to me,” Mr. Obama said. “So I’ve got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we’re not impairing any investigation that’s taking place right now.”

He didn't realize, I guess, that his previous statements had already influenced the case.
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None of those are suggesting an outcome. Yes, he said those words, but how did those words interfere in the case? Saying the incident should be investigated isn't to say that Zimmerman is guilty of a crime. And he commented in March 2012. What did he say between then and the trial in July 2013? The nothing he said didn't prejudice the investigation or the outcome.

Now let's compare that to the current trial of Roger Stone. They're different! Trump is publicly trashing the judge, the jury, his own prosecutors, some of that today literally as the sentencing hearing was underway. BOTH SIDES!!!
 
Lord of Planar said:
I agree with that. The president did indirectly use his position to have the investigation opened.
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Right, and now calling for a thorough investigation is to interfere? Is that the conclusion? Because that's all his words say, that we owe it to all involved to do that investigation.

And then pretty much nothing until after the trial, and I cited his comments post not-guilty finding. He called for calm, introspection. It's kind of a sign of the times then and now that it's a matter of faith that Obama stepped way over some line then.
 
JasperL said:
Right, and now calling for a thorough investigation is to interfere? Is that the conclusion? Because that's all his words say, that we owe it to all involved to do that investigation.

And then pretty much nothing until after the trial, and I cited his comments post not-guilty finding. He called for calm, introspection. It's kind of a sign of the times then and now that it's a matter of faith that Obama stepped way over some line then.
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The issue was saying Martin looked his son if he had one. When he thinks about Martin he thinks about his own kids.

Why do you think he made those comments?
 
Mason66 said:
The issue was saying Martin looked his son if he had one. When he thinks about Martin he thinks about his own kids.

Why do you think he made those comments?
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Yes, I get it, demonstrating empathy is a terrible thing for a president.
 
JasperL said:
Yes, I get it, demonstrating empathy is a terrible thing for a president.
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To me, the president was saying his son would be a bully that assaults people, if he had a son.
 
JasperL said:
Yes, I get it, demonstrating empathy is a terrible thing for a president.
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Empathy?

It sounded like he wanted people to look at Martin as one of his own kids and of course they should be outraged Zimmerman would dare to kill his son.

Also, Obama knew nothing about the facts of the case when he made those comments. Maybe if he had known, he wouldn't have said the person that committed first degree assault and attempted murder was like his son.
 
Royal PITA said:
If you truly believe this then you should ignore me.
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It's not what I believe, but what you DID. It's in the record. You thanked me for confirming something when my comments said the opposite, and to advance that dishonest characterization, you quoted me but deleted the part of my comment demonstrating that.
 
Mason66 said:
Empathy?

It sounded like he wanted people to look at Martin as one of his own kids and of course they should be outraged Zimmerman would dare to kill his son.

Also, Obama knew nothing about the facts of the case when he made those comments. Maybe if he had known, he wouldn't have said the person that committed first degree assault and attempted murder was like his son.
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That's you inferring a meaning into his comments that the words don't say.
 
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