George Zimmerman sues Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren over tweets honouring Trayvon Martin

[WillyPete]

Many condemn Trump, and rightfully so, for interfering with the Justice system on Stone but Democrats don't do the same to Obama for interfering in the case of Zimmerman defending himself from attack by Martin. Why the double-standard?

You'd need to show me the Obama statements you mean to properly consider it. I very much doubt he assigned guilt to Zimmerman.

Obama would be smart enough to couch it as the all too common and avoidable tragedy that it was.

From my recollection, at most Obama added fuel to the fire that ultimately led to pushing weak charges against Zimmerman, but Zimmerman wasn't convicted, so the net result is hard to determine, but approaches "not much impact."

Aside from all that, those were pretty different events. Did the AG press federal charges on Zimmerman, based on the Obama's public statements? He he direct the outcome of the trial somehow? Were he and Martin friends from way back?

Trump inserted himself directly into a court proceeding, and (many believe) acted to change the outcome. We certainly don't have any other explanation for why the sentence was changed.

AFAIK, we have no basis to believe Obama inserted himself in any meaningful way to the Zimmerman trial.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Yes, but what everyone is overlooking is the fact that if this kid were white, none of this would have happened. It is not the responsibility of a 17 year old to act like an adult. It is the responsibility of an adult to act like an adult

Why? Because a white kid wouldn't have been a wannabe gangsta and blinded Zimmerman?

Gun, drug texts feature in new Trayvon Martin shooting evidence - CNN
Much of the new evidence disclosed Thursday in filings by Zimmerman's attorneys comes from Martin's cell phone, including photos showing a semiautomatic pistol and ammunition and small marijuana plants growing in pots.

In other pictures, Martin is pictured making obscene gestures in an apparent self-portrait, as well pictures showing him with friends and in other settings.

The text messages include a conversation from November 2011 in which he appears to say his mother has kicked him out of the house after "da police caught me outta skool."

"So you just turning into a lil hoodlum," the person with whom he is texting says.

"Naw, I'm a gangsta," the text message read.

In other messages, text message exchanges appear to be discussing guns.

 

[Ikari]

To have been a victim (of gun violence or racism) requires there to have been a perp.

Well I think to have been a victim of gun violence would require that someone shot you. As far as I remember, Martin was shot. And killed. And that he would have been 25 this year had he not been shot and killed.

 

[ttwtt78640]

So then you must agree that it was wrong for trump to comment on the Kaepernick controversy and the confrontation between the Native American and that Kentucky kid

Nope, that did not involve any pending criminal accusation. I do agree that it is wrong for Trump to comment on pending criminal matters.

 

[Odysseus]

George Zimmerman sues Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren over tweets honouring Trayvon Martin

Time for Democrats to help us relive the incident that Obama used to vastly worsen the racial divide in America. Buttigieg and Warren are jackasses.

Time for snowflake white supremacists to grow a pair.

 

[Citizen]

Why? Because a white kid wouldn't have been a wannabe gangsta and blinded Zimmerman?

Again, you are basing your conclusions on Zimmerman’s testimony. There is no proof that he was a wannabe gangster. He had no gun. He was minding his business. The only reason Zimmerman followed him was because he was a black kid walking in a white neighborhood. If he were a white kid, Zimmerman would not have looked twice. What made Zimmerman suspicious was his race, not that he was walking through the neighborhood.

 

[WillyPete]

Yes, but what everyone is overlooking is the fact that if this kid were white, none of this would have happened. It is not the responsibility of a 17 year old to act like an adult. It is the responsibility of an adult to act like an adult

I don't disagree, and that rightfully reflects on Zimmerman, but they both made mistakes that could have avoided the tragedy.

On the flipside, Martin wasn't exactly acting like a kid when he ambushed Zimmerman. I think the natural instinct with a kid would be to run home and tell their parents, which would also have worked out better.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Well I think to have been a victim of gun violence would require that someone shot you. As far as I remember, Martin was shot. And killed. And that he would have been 25 this year had he not been shot and killed.

That shooting was ruled to have been done in self-defense. T might have been alive at 25 had he not attacked Z or someone else for being a creepy ass cracker.

 

[Divine_Wind]

.....AFAIK, we have no basis to believe Obama inserted himself in any meaningful way to the Zimmerman trial.

Opinion: Obama's mistake on Trayvon Martin case - CNN
Every American can make their own judgment about whether justice was served by the verdict in the George Zimmerman murder trial but one thing we should all recognize: President Obama's interference in a local law enforcement matter was unprecedented and inappropriate, and he comes away from the case looking badly tarnished by his poor judgment.

"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," the president said when asked about the case in the Rose Garden on March 23, 2012, after many had called for Zimmerman's arrest but several weeks before he was charged. "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids."

In fact, if the president had a son, he would have been born to extraordinary privilege and raised with all the advantages of two very affluent and highly educated parents. He would have gone to tony private schools. His path in life would have been almost as dissimilar from Trayvon's as one could imagine.

 

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[Divine_Wind]

That shooting was ruled to have been done in self-defense. T might have been alive at 25 had he not attacked Z or someone else for being a creepy ass cracker.

Correct and by a diverse jury who heard all of the facts.

 

[WillyPete]

Who said it had to be read aloud?

You did, goofball. Slander is spoken.

Who shot travyon martin then and killed him?
a ghost?

Call up your old grammar teacher and either curse them or beg for a second chance.

The tweats don't say what you think they say.

 

[Citizen]

Why? Because a white kid wouldn't have been a wannabe gangsta and blinded Zimmerman?

Gun, drug texts feature in new Trayvon Martin shooting evidence - CNN
Much of the new evidence disclosed Thursday in filings by Zimmerman's attorneys comes from Martin's cell phone, including photos showing a semiautomatic pistol and ammunition and small marijuana plants growing in pots.

In other pictures, Martin is pictured making obscene gestures in an apparent self-portrait, as well pictures showing him with friends and in other settings.

The text messages include a conversation from November 2011 in which he appears to say his mother has kicked him out of the house after "da police caught me outta skool."

"So you just turning into a lil hoodlum," the person with whom he is texting says.

"Naw, I'm a gangsta," the text message read.

In other messages, text message exchanges appear to be discussing guns.

So 17year old kids do pot. Who woulda thought. And of course white kids don’t have pictures of guns and pot plants. That’s a black boy gangsta thing.......I see. And of course Zimmerman knew all this about Martin. That is why he followed him with gun locked and loaded

 

[Divine_Wind]

I don't disagree, and that rightfully reflects on Zimmerman, but they both made mistakes that could have avoided the tragedy.

On the flipside, Martin wasn't exactly acting like a kid when he ambushed Zimmerman. I think the natural instinct with a kid would be to run home and tell their parents, which would also have worked out better.

Agreed on these points. Zimmerman was a wannabe cop and Martin was a wannabe gangsta. A bad combination. If Martin hadn't blindsided Zimmerman and pinned him to the ground to give him a "ground and pound", Zimmerman would never have pulled his gun and fired.

 

[WillyPete]

Opinion: Obama's mistake on Trayvon Martin case - CNN
Every American can make their own judgment about whether justice was served by the verdict in the George Zimmerman murder trial but one thing we should all recognize: President Obama's interference in a local law enforcement matter was unprecedented and inappropriate, and he comes away from the case looking badly tarnished by his poor judgment.

"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon," the president said when asked about the case in the Rose Garden on March 23, 2012, after many had called for Zimmerman's arrest but several weeks before he was charged. "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids."

In fact, if the president had a son, he would have been born to extraordinary privilege and raised with all the advantages of two very affluent and highly educated parents. He would have gone to tony private schools. His path in life would have been almost as dissimilar from Trayvon's as one could imagine.

How does that equate with complaining about and (allegedly) acting to change the sentence for someone convicted of a crime?

Besides which, those are simple statements of sympathy. He isn't even condemning Zimmerman.

 

[Divine_Wind]

So 17year old kids do pot. Who woulda thought. And of course white kids don’t have pictures of guns and pot plants. That’s a black boy gangsta thing.......I see. And of course Zimmerman knew all this about Martin. That is why he followed him with gun locked and loaded

Yes they do. How many 17 year olds attack people and beat them up? Are you saying it's okay for black kids to do it but not white kids?

 

[Divine_Wind]

Well I think to have been a victim of gun violence would require that someone shot you. As far as I remember, Martin was shot. And killed. And that he would have been 25 this year had he not been shot and killed.

Sad but true. OTOH, if Martin hadn't been cutting classes and smoking pot, he wouldn't have been kicked out of his school and out of his house to go "visit" his father.

 

[Citizen]

Yes they do. How many 17 year olds attack people and beat them up? Are you saying it's okay for black kids to do it but not white kids?

Who attacked who?

 

[Divine_Wind]

How does that equate with complaining about and (allegedly) acting to change the sentence for someone convicted of a crime?

Besides which, those are simple statements of sympathy. He isn't even condemning Zimmerman.

It's interference. Note the quote: "Obama's interference in a local law enforcement matter was unprecedented and inappropriate".

You know Trump's motto: "Whatever Obama did I can do better!"

 

[WillyPete]

Agreed on these points. Zimmerman was a wannabe cop and Martin was a wannabe gangsta. A bad combination. If Martin hadn't blindsided Zimmerman and pinned him to the ground to give him a "ground and pound", Zimmerman would never have pulled his gun and fired.

And if Zimmerman hadn't followed him around like a creep, or had simply introduced himself as the neighborhood watch, we'd also get a better result.

Mistakes were made on both sides, but Zimmerman was the adult assuming responsibility for his neighborhood's security. He wound up killing a neighborhood kid.

That he wasn't criminally culpable doesn't mean his acts shouldn't haunt him every day of his life.

 

[WillyPete]

It's interference. Note the quote: "Obama's interference in a local law enforcement matter was unprecedented and inappropriate".

You know Trump's motto: "Whatever Obama did I can do better!"

It's someone's opinion that it's interference.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Who attacked who?

When you correct the LW version of the story I posted to you in post #71, then we can talk.

 

[Divine_Wind]

It's someone's opinion that it's interference.

Sure, just like it's someone's opinion that Trump is interfering. Life goes on.

 

[j brown's body]

George Zimmerman is a hero to everyone who wishes they could legally murder the person kicking your ass in a fight you started.

 

[Divine_Wind]

And if Zimmerman hadn't followed him around like a creep, or had simply introduced himself as the neighborhood watch, we'd also get a better result....

Martin ran when he saw Zimmerman in his car. How was Zimmerman supposed to notify him? Why do you think Martin hid in the bushes then jumped out and attacked Zimmerman?